The Issue Of Religiously Inspired Topics on ATS and BTS, page 6

reply to post by meanmug

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I dont know what you mean.

But here´s the Secret Societies Forum

Please try not to post off-topic too often.

reply to post by marg6043

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I understand what you are saying, Marg. Nobody likes 'topic overflow' in inappropriate forums. However, it certainly seems moving the origins debates into the science forum is going to irritate a lot of techies or science buffs. You simply cannot have evolution-creationism debates without bringing God into the equation in some shape or form so all this is going to do is create yet another forum where religion will be discussed. Because rest assured, religion will still be discussed in the O&C forum, the CIR forum, and the Faith forum regardless of whatever rules there are. This isn't me being indignant- this is me knowing people.

Oddly, I am saying this for the sake of other board members who are tired of religious debates invading their forums. I love religious debates and the topic never bothers me. I will also debate creationism and evolution regardless in whatever forum we are to hold those discussions by the rules. However, I am simply trying to point out a problem I foresee with this action. All we're really doing is adding yet another forum where religious topics will inevitably be discussed and more rant threads will ensue. Please trust me. I am psychic.

reply to post by Rockpuck
i agree completely,while i also agree that it has gotten out of hand lately.if christians are labeled religious,then it is my opinion that someone who thinks we evolved from a rock to be labeled religious as well.but i also think the constant arguing over it has to stop,noone should push their beliefs on anyone,oh wait isnt that what science does,try to push their beliefs on us by saying we dont believe in god,(which is fine),and it should be okay if we say well we dont believe in a rock(me being christian).but i think ats is doing what they feel they need to do to sop the constant arguing over this.......peace

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reply to post by AshleyD

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I see what you mean with the creationist/evolution topics and is true you can not debate creationism or evolution as comparison without the bible links that comes with creationism.

NO to worry ATS is still reviewing the issues I imagine and they will see what can be done.

You can debate evolution on the science forum but when evolution is linked to creationism that will pose a problem.

BTW I am physic too.

reply to post by Rockpuck

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As I said in another thread, when it comes with topics like religion and politics they can not be avoided, it is part of everyday life.

And that is fine, but what the problem here is most of the time, is when the threads turn into preaching and bible teaching grounds that takes away the debate of the issue the thread is trying to encourage.

reply to post by marg6043

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So you mean to say that ..

On ATS..

After a few pages a thread ...

Gets off topic?

If atheist or none Christians allow bible scriptures to .. win win the debate well .. that's not saying much.

Personally, I have never been bested by a Christian preaching Bible verses.

reply to post by melatonin

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I agree totally. "There is no room for improvement of discussions of this topic, less they have some earth shattering news to bring to the multitudes that there is any viable evidences by way of bonafide artifact or some kind of physical proof, 'til then, it's mundane and a constant rant from one side to the other."

Stick to those forums and topics, "I'll definitely avoid them!"

Undo has a nice thread going, it involves all walks of belief systems without being evasive and condescending to one another..
GO check it out!!

Another twist for you religious out there.

www.abovetopsecret.com...'

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Originally posted by Bigwhammy
Is the purpose to end religous debate? They will occur regardless.

No. In fact, this will make debate and discussion of religious issues more easy to locate, the BTS Religion, Faith, And Theology Forum.

So your going to move the evolution creation controversy to the Science forum. So the Origins forum will die down to low activity and the science forum will go nuts with origins debates. What have you really done? Am I mistaken?

Yes, you appear to be mistaken.

Threads discussing the science of evolution, should be in the science forum.

Threads discussing creation, a religious topic, should be in the BTS Religion, Faith, And Theology Forum.

Threads discussing the perceived conspiracy to teach creation as science in public schools should be in the forum set up for that, the Origins & Creationism Conspiracy Forum.

For example, a debate refuting evolution from a "religious" standpoint should be in the BTS Religion, Faith, And Theology Forum, since the topic begins from a religious viewpoint... and contains no conspiracy basis.

harder for "non evolution + origins" science topics to get discussed in the Science forum by moving the debate.

It's not science, thus, should not be in the science forum.

If you cant out debate them with the facts - I guess running them away is an option. So the origins forum will just be a few Darwinists - high fiving each other and talking about how stupid Creationists are - unopposed.

If you can present a logical fact-based argument to support the notion that non-science should be taught as science in school classrooms, your input will be welcome and encouraged. All our forums have a reasonably specific topical focus so that new users can quickly locate the categories of discussions that interest them, with an expectation of some level of topical containment.

Now since the only place a Christian can discuss anything to do with their faith is the BTS forum. Won't all the many Christian haters flock there too.

Perhaps. Here's your chance to witness extraordinarily.

I was pretty overwhelmed by the haters when I first came to ATS.

In addition to better definition of the forums, and more effort to contain the topics, we're also expecting our members to contribute with a degree of civility and respect. Atheists that attack Christians, Christians that attack Muslims, atheists that attack Wiccans, and so on, will all be shown the door with the same level of swift attention from our staff. The goal is to engage each other on meaningful and productive discussion, not provide a bully pulpit.

reply to post by Allred5923

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To "RockBuck",

It's Rock - Puck. Personally, I have never had a problem spelling a users name, seeing as it sits in front of you to see, and copy from. Not entirely TO hard..

That, in itself, is a very confirmed "Fascist" statement and should of not been said by anyone that "Thinks" they know what they are talking about.

Actually, it's not. In fact, it has nothing what so ever to do with politics either. It is a philosophical view point that I feel, and many other feel, is an accurate description of Faith interlocking belief patterns, even ingrained into the subconscious to be implemented in everything you and I do.

Unless you can refute it, calling me a Fascist really makes no difference to me.

I would like to make another suggestion (aside from getting your eyes checked seeing as you couldn't even read my name) and that would be to get a Websters dictionary, read the description of Fascism, and then study the philosophies of Fascism.

You apparently have an inept knowledge of that which you speak of.

I don't freaking get any of your so called "Religion is the only way" scenario's.

I was unaware that I made such a claim during this exchange? ..

It is not a "Logical Conversation" when there is such one-sided overviews of the topic.

Because of your typing style I am finding you difficult to understand. Are you implying that because Christians out number Atheist in these debates it therefore lacks logic? .. And you would rather remove the religious aspect to have all forms of disagreement cease so that instead of a debate, a conversation can take place?

It is entirely logical and reasonable that when a topic is being discussed that goes against the belief system of another member of this site, that they will add their opinion.

There has never been, nor, as far as I know, never will be a conspiracy against a said religion by someone that does not believe in anything but themselves.

Again, you make no sense. To believe in only your self is to deny every belief system. It's simply the rejection of all religious institutions and philosophies, and is in it's self a philosophy that borders religion in the sense that you worship the void of a deity rather then the deity it's self. If scientific theories (and they are only theories) replace the need for a deity, in an obscure way it could be said that THAT is the God to which you subscribe.

I personally think there should be a forum for you that are on the "Higher {self proclaimed} hierarchy of life." Go there and discuss, leave the innocent out of it and get on with your "Personal Conclusions" to validate one another, but don't use me , or others that are "Atheist/Muslim/Jewish/Buddhists/Hindus, etc. etc." as an excuse of argument and ridicule.

So just like Christians don't like their beliefs being scrutinized, you also do not like your beliefs scrutinized. That is both inwardly destructive as well as cowardly.

GO to church" allow yourself to vent, this is your reality as well, but be very accept-ant to the difference's in this world, it could be very well the person that saves your life some day.

You preach to me of acceptance and acknowledging differences when you shun the debate of those who oppose your own way of thinking? Hypocritical, at best and a complete logical fallacy to say that you, a man who rejects peoples of faith, are also accepting and understanding.