Keith Olbermann Interviews Constitutional Lawyer on Bush's Impeachment, page 1
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reply posted on 11-6-2008 @ 11:38 AM by LostNemesis
Flag and Star, of course.

I love how Keith Olbermann is able to speak out against Bush, and other criminals in charge of defending us, those who supposedly put them in power. I have no idea why this guy has been allowed to continue, and has not yet been removed from the mainstream news.

That said, Kucinich is a hero. Until now he has been silenced. He sees criminal activity going on, and he is the only one standing up for We The People. I do not think even Ron Paul would put himself into such a situation where he is publicly accusing the PRESIDENT of so many crimes.

Kucinich may suffer being silenced, while he is trying to be the only one who wants to protect our constitutional rights and exact justice for the tax payers... Who are also victim to Bush's crimes.

Bush has raped this entire country, it's economy(which is all fake, anyway), the taxpayers, and every other country he's been able to get his hands on.

Kucinich is a true American hero. It's just a shame that American law has changed so drastically that all of his hard work will accomplish nothing. Lawfully trying to get something done can now be considered 100% completely useless, worthless. Work within the law, and be ignored and considered whacko.

Work around the law, apparently, and you can rape it, stomp on it, and mold it to fit your agenda.

This is taxation without representation. Why are we the people being so passive and letting this man do as he wants with no regard to those he is bankrupting and supposed to be working FOR?



reply posted on 11-6-2008 @ 05:38 PM by AnOldFriend
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I wonder if there is anything the people can do about this after he is relieved of his duties. Surely there is some action the people can take to try him for his crimes.


reply posted on 12-6-2008 @ 03:23 PM by Andrew E. Wiggin
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Look
i dont have an opinion about "trying bush as a war criminal"
don't want to have an opinion because my opinion would say i dont care

But to believe what this Lawyer has to say simply because he's on TV is simply astounding.

Because if media attorneys have taught us anything
it's that even they, themselves can be biased and wrong

Having a title in your name doesnt make you right.

Basic interpretation and manipulation of the law is why some lawyers are paid much more than others.



reply posted on 12-6-2008 @ 09:15 PM by MidnightDStroyer
Originally posted by jetxnet
This Moron should be interviewing a Lawyer on Obama's non-Birth Certificate requested by the State Dept., but Obama refuses to disclose the information.

This is in direct violation of the Constitution.

Hmmm...Let's see...
Here it is:
Article 2, Section 1, Clause 5:
No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

Yep...If he can't (or refuses to) prove it, he's not eligible.

Originally posted by Andrew E. Wiggin
Basic interpretation and manipulation of the law is why some lawyers are paid much more than others.

Good point...However, were you aware that lawyers who pass the International BAR are given foreign titles of state, such as Esquire? How many such lawyers go on to "serve" in the US Government?
Source from quoted post: Duke lacrosse prosecutor disbarred:
"We had a prosecutor who was faced with a very unusual situation in which the confluence of his self-interest collided with a very volatile mix of race, sex and class."

How many such government "servants" could be harboring similar "conflicting loyalties" between the nation that bestowed such title & their US government "service?" There is a specific reason why the Founding Forefathers included Article 1,Section 9, Clause 8:
No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince or foreign State.

Their reason being that no one in any Government Office should be forced to "choose between two masters." The Forefathers had already learned from history that no one is capable of effectively serving any interests if they posses divided loyalties. My point here is that, such divided loyalties existing in US Offices now have been violating Constitutional Law from the moment they took their Oath of Office...Not really "manipulating law," as you put it, but outright violating it.

So the People are better served by Constitutional Lawyers providing answers rather than trust the word of any "politician" in any Office of Trust...Because divided loyalties can never be trusted in Office.

[edit on 12-6-2008 by MidnightDStroyer]


reply posted on 13-6-2008 @ 01:47 PM by dariousg
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Absolutely, 100% true. We need to remove the money from government. The scary thing is how? Say I wanted to run for office in order to re-establish this. How would someone like myself, just an average citizen with a good education, compete with the money of the corporately backed politicians?

I don't trust our voting systems so how would we get around that? People will say, "get out and vote. Make your voice heard." Sorry guys, I have seen too much misconduct and issues with these 'electronic' voting booths to fully trust them.

So I say again, how?


reply posted on 13-6-2008 @ 07:20 PM by MidnightDStroyer
Originally posted by dariousg
Absolutely, 100% true. We need to remove the money from government. The scary thing is how?

From the
Journals of the Continental Congress, 1:105-113 (passed unanimously in 1774):
If money is wanted by Rulers who have in any manner oppressed the People, they may retain it until their grievances are redressed, and thus peaceably procure relief, without trusting to despised petitions or disturbing the public tranquility.

That's how...But you must first be certain that your name appears on a legitimate form of complaint presented to the government to make use of this legislation (ie: Sign a petition that addresses Constitutional Torts).
This was one of the key points addressed by the "V Protest" that gathered in Washington D.C. "No Answers, No Taxes," was the phrase on a very large banner.


reply posted on 13-6-2008 @ 07:34 PM by AnOldFriend
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But to believe what this Lawyer has to say simply because he's on TV is simply astounding.


I don't care what the lawyer says. He hasn't introduced anything new to me.



reply posted on 13-6-2008 @ 08:58 PM by AnOldFriend
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Oh well your post was a reply to me so I assumed that is who you were replying to.

Do you have any reason we shouldn't believe this guy?


reply posted on 13-6-2008 @ 09:10 PM by Andrew E. Wiggin
Sure

here's how i view Bush:

Think of Bill Bellecheck (spelling?)

he 'technically' didnt break any rules, because of his interpretations of said rules

if there are loopholes in the rules, and you allow those loopholes to be explloited, then you are not allowed to 'change those rules' and then punish people who commited the infractions before the changing of the rule

Sure, some of the thigns he's done have been awfully shady, and somewhat dispicable, though i do truely feel he did it in the best interests of the safety of our country from foriegn threats

regardless of his intentions, there has not been one single violation of any constitutional right by the bush admin that cannot be explained through technical lingo that i'll never fully understand.

As for this lawyer
ill give you a 'flipped' example

With the recent decision, 5-4, what if Fox News had on the 4 justices that said "no" to the guantonomo (cant spell it) decision

if they tell you why they said "no" does it make it so?

They had to make a ruling that it was illegal, because current law made it legal through twisted interpretation

now those loopholes have been closed

if it continues, then yes, big time violation

since no violation has happened
can't impeach based on this guys information

atleast...thats how i feel about it.

Again i dont support bush 100%
but i support our congress even less (im about on par with the national polls on both)

But when it comes to foriegn opposition, ill side with my congress and my president any day of the week.
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