reply to post by applebiter
I'm interested in the dynamics of power and secret societies. Maybe someone can shed some light on the issue.
The rise of a structured secret society that is used for subversive means quite honestly depends on the political situation of the age.
For instance, Freemasonry, if you follow the belief it arose as a society of equality in Great Britain during times of religious persecution,
sponsored by enlightenment ideologies, arose more as an equalizer then a secret society. It became secret because of persecution on it, because it
defied the norms.. secret yet not secret, the only real secret was membership because to be discovered you risked social outcasting.
Then in America and quite possibly in France Masonry was used as a subversive tool to assist in the organization of a revolution. I don't believe
Freemasonry it's self moved towards revolution, but rather members who happened to believe in enlightenment ideas formed inside the safety net of
secrecy Masonry provided, and thus it was perfect to plan a war and the layout of the constitution we all hold dear.
However, it can be said that it didn't matter whether or not Freemasonry was used by the war planners and philosophical leaders of the age because
either way, it would have been done in secrecy. It wouldn't make sense to plot against a world power in the open, would it?
If you look at the 20th Century's most despotic political movements, you will find them, in the Western world, all taking a similar first step in
expelling academics, intellectuals, Jews, and Freemasons.
Several very good explanations. First and foremost it is very important that liberalized ideas in any dictatorship are eliminated. An easy way to do
that is target structured groups. Freemasonry is a beacon of liberty, freedom and just ideas .. which is why it is constantly targeted.
Intellectuals tend to hold ideas quite similar to Freemasonry, and also liberal ideas. The USSR built a city of intellectuals, they intended this
city to be the jewel of Mother Russia.. a collection of genius Slavs to rival the West.
Except after they built the city, put in the students and the teachers.. it all went to hell in a hand basket. The USSR learned a quick lesson.
Intellectuals in large quantities and in close proximity spread ideas like wild fire.. and the city lost it's purpose and few supported Mother Russia
in the end. In fact, they leaned towards Democracy.
Ideas are the worst enemy of ANY ruler, benevolent or not.
Looking at Nazi Germany in particular, though, we can see that a fraternity related to the Freemasons, the Thule occult lodge, actually exploited and
groomed Adolf Hitler to become what he became. What is the nature of the relationship between these lodges apart from shared membership?
Hitler was a good leader. He may not have been a good man, but honestly good leaders are rarely good men. Hitler was also an amazing public speaker.
What "groomed" Hitler was speaking in front of Unionist who shared his ideas .. he was a very, very well spoken man, and quickly built a support
base which spread through out the troubled German community..
No lodge, no secret society, no specific idea groomed Hitler. Great men are born into this world, not made, and Hitler was destined to be what he was
and nothing would have stopped it.
it seems to me that people who are not Freemasons have a sort of schizophrenic attitude about them.
There are two groups of Anti Freemasons. The first group is highly uneducated.. very very narrow minded and honestly simplistic.. their mind set is
set in stone and will not very.. bigotry and wild ideas fuel their hatred.. The second group are intellectual questioners.. anything not completely
open, explained and fully revealed is suspicious and to be questioned. This of course is a form of narrow minded ignorance, but no where near as bad
as the first group. Questioning authority, and other significant institutions is a very good thing, however some times it is misplaced and aimed at
People are attracted to secret societies either because they think they have the knowledge they seek, or because they are a back door into secret
All secret societies are formed around SOMETHING .. Doesn't matter what it is, but it relates to a specific idea. Idea's can be dangerous, and thus
so can secret societies (the KKK for example is a semi secret society) but they can also be genuine and good hearted ideas, such as Freemasonry. I
would not say that people are attracted to power, but rather the very specific ideas the society represents. Power is formulated from ideas,
movements based around these ideas, and so it is quite plausible that to join a society for philosophical means can translate back into power over
people, or institutions.
I think maybe that the lodge is there to help you amplify what you already are, so that you might be of service in some capacity to a greater work to
which most Masons are not privy.
It's not impossible. In fact, it has happened before. However in all known instances, the singular lodge generates it's own ideas and go rouge
against standard Freemasonry. The other lodges may not be privy to the politics of the rouge lodge, but that is only because the rouge lodge is no
longer operating as Freemasonry but rather an organization unto it's self. Think of them like Cancer cells.. they go undetected, then wreck havoc..
but it has nothing to do with the body, it's an alien entity, and once found out, needs to be cut away.
Freemasonry and any society like it is not perfect, it can be infected and we have to rely on the systems of checks and balances we put in place to
ensure the Body of Freemasonry remains "cancer free."