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Topic started on 10-6-2008 @ 11:34 PM by Shar
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I hope I have this in the right place.
With all the talk we have going on that it won’t be long now before Iran gets attack, What do you think will happen to us here in our own
country?
Do you think we could actually have bombs over here? Possibly nukes?
Do you think they will call a draft?
Or something else? Thoughts. All responses are welcome.
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reply posted on 10-6-2008 @ 11:40 PM by alienstar
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Best case senerio they are going to just do airstrikes on the nuclear facilities,worst case they will have a all out nuclear war with other involved
countries.There is defin no draft and no ground war.Iraq alone will tell you why.
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reply posted on 10-6-2008 @ 11:41 PM by deadline527
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In my opinion I think not good..
I think it will drive up oil prices to ubsurd rates, which in turn would make our dependent economy even worse. More people will get laid off and lose
their jobs, company profits will be minimal if any, they will be limiting and not expanding work force to help drive the economy back up, and the fact
that Iran has quite an army and air capabilities. This is no Iraq, I dont see it as simple air strikes, we are underestimating them. If we leave Iraq
we may be able to somehow afford it, but if we try to fight on two different fronts we would run out of military resources, most importantly troops
available for other bases. With gas prices so high, the cost of war will also be driven up by insane percents since we have such a motorized military.
I hope this isnt the case, and that I am just thinking worst possible scenario. Either way I dont see it as a good thing.
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reply posted on 10-6-2008 @ 11:52 PM by mattguy404
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I don't know why someone didn't ask this question sooner...
Firstly, I don't think it will be the US will be the one that attacks Iran first. However, Israel is possibly going to buy the F22 Raptor soon from
the US - which has been described as the missing piece in Israel's massive arsenal needed to strike Iran (to get pass Iran's Russian-supplied Tor
radar systems).
But just look at how the Iranian news is painting this - www.presstv.com...
The Iranians, it would seem, are dead-set ready for conflict.
What will happen to the US? I don't know, if anything. I don't think Bush's stupidity can be extended to an incursion into Iran - it defies all
logic. America is teetering on recession, oil prices have quadrupled since the IRAQ invasion, I can't see any specter of the US leading another
charge into a Middle Eastern country.
Unless the Israeli lobby gets its way, in which case it doesn't really matter who the President is.
Israel - known to have 200 or so deliverable nuke warheads, not a signatory of the non-proliferation treaty, has never and will never let in UN
weapons inspectors
Iran - no deliverable nuke warheads, IS a signatory of the NPT and has let in UN inspectors
You figure it out, because I certainly can't
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reply posted on 10-6-2008 @ 11:55 PM by princeofpeace
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Not to be a smart-@ss, but i would imagine the same thing would happen as when folks asked what would happen here after we attacked Iraq. NOTHING!
What are they going to do that Iraq couldnt have done?
They goona try to nuke us with what one or two crude devices that will only ensure that their entire country will get obliterated? if that is their
strategy then they are even more insane than already thought.
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reply posted on 10-6-2008 @ 11:56 PM by alienstar
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They already blew trillions on Iraq with no cause and effect.How you think the us can possibly afford another no brainer war?We cant.The only thing
that makes sense is the reason we would attack in the first place.Those nuclear facilities.Thats all,Thats the whole point they want this,they want
those reactors gone.Hopefully none of this will happen.
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reply posted on 11-6-2008 @ 12:05 AM by deadline527
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Originally posted by alienstar
They already blew trillions on Iraq with no cause and effect.How you think the us can possibly afford another no brainer war?We cant.The only thing
that makes sense is the reason we would attack in the first place.Those nuclear facilities.Thats all,Thats the whole point they want this,they want
those reactors gone.Hopefully none of this will happen. 
Take a read at this..
A previously rejected plan put forward by scientists at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology to end the standoff over Iran's nuclear program is
receiving attention from senior members of both parties in Congress and nonproliferation specialists.
The plan, which was rejected three years ago by the Bush administration, argues for a dramatic shift in U.S. policy: Rather than trying to halt
Iran's efforts to enrich uranium, it says, the United States should help build an internationally run enrichment facility inside Iran to replace its
current facilities.

Plan would build world-run nuclear reactor in Iran
After this, I think they should at least give this a shot before we attack them for no reason like Iraq. Everyone can benefit, they get to do what
they want and everyone else can watch them. One can only hope, we cannot afford another war.
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reply posted on 11-6-2008 @ 12:07 AM by Agit8dChop
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I think there's 2 scenario's
1. Bush authorizes and helps Israel launch airstrikes
2. Mccain is handed the election, regardless of the popoular vote, and he moves on Iran, with Israel's backing.
- Both will result in mass amounts of suicide/car bombings in Israel and Iraq.
- Rockets and mortars will rain down on Israeli cities, and Iraqi bases
- Missiles will be launched from Iran, at Israel and the IRAQI american bases
- I fully believe that there are terrorists in America/England/Australia. Muslims/Persians/Sudanese/South Africans/Somalians that have been sent here
with instructions to cause chaos if war breaks out.
5 Sudanese picking up automatic weapons and hand guns walking through a popular cafe strip shooting people down until killed themselves, would cause
mass panic/chaos. Couple this with home made bombs.
In the event that domestic deaths are reported, the US government, no matter who in charge will display this as an act of terrorism, not an act of
retaliation in war. Low Yield nuclear weapons will be authorised.
China and Russia will send mass amounts of ARMS and intellegence to Iran/Syria, Neither will publically admit it, and Neither will openly declare
against the USA, just like the USA did with the Afghani's.
The World will condemn the USA for its actions, and start limiting OIL exports, in an attempt to 'sanction' the US economy.
This will force the US economy, and more IMPORTANTLY the housing market to collapse, meaning there's ample amounts of young, fit men/women willing to
fight to keep their homes and food on the tables.
Thus, no DRAFT!
In the end, Israel will be forced to USE nuclear arms on its borders, to stop any nation coming.
The USA will be forced to use nuclear weapons on Iran, sacrificing Iraq but ensuring the Kurdish oilfields remain.
The USA Will drown itself in debt to the chinese, who will take taiwann while the USA is occupied.
Russia will force its will over eastern european states again, and Israel will be pushed into the ocean, many though, will be forced to fight by the
government before that happens.
Dark years ahead.
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reply posted on 11-6-2008 @ 12:13 AM by Shar
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Deadline527
I agree we are underestimating them. I think we often do that. I don’t think that our government thought we still be fighting with Iraq. I
think they are totally shocked that they have picked up arms and is fighting us over there. Its like our government can’t seem to say hey if we go
into another country the people might not like this and they will come out to fight. Could they not see that we would do the exact same thing if our
country got invaded. All countries would.
Mattguy404,
Are we 100% sure they don’t have deliverable nuke warheads? Do you think they will come out and tell us they bought some from another country
even? Couldn’t this have happen without us knowing? Maybe we do know and our government doesn’t let us know they know.
Princeofpeace,
But, your dealing with a man who wants to see his god come back and he believes this is the beginning of doing it.
Also you cant say nothing happen cause it did. Thousands of people has died. Trillions have been spent, and Oil, food, and housing went through
the roof. Our country is almost in a depression.
Doesn't Iran have friends (nations) in high places? Don't these other countries have nukes?
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reply posted on 11-6-2008 @ 12:15 AM by sir_chancealot
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I would guess that there will be false-flag nuclear, chemical, or biological attacks to "justify" the attack on Iran.
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reply posted on 11-6-2008 @ 12:15 AM by Shar
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Originally posted by alienstar
Thats all,Thats the whole point they want this,they want those reactors gone.Hopefully none of this will happen. 
Why do you think its so important to us to have those reactors gone? Is it so important that we would actually start a nuke war over this?
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reply posted on 11-6-2008 @ 12:21 AM by alienstar
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Thats a interesting proposal and sure beats another war.I just got a feeling they would decline that offer.
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reply posted on 11-6-2008 @ 12:22 AM by Agit8dChop
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Its important because it removes there ability to defend against us.
We wouldnt dare try to take their oil fields if they have nuclear weapons.
So we must make sure they dont get them, because as Iraq proves we are after the means to continue our world domination.
Without OIL, America DIES!
And the oils running out.
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reply posted on 11-6-2008 @ 12:23 AM by Shar
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I know I don't always agree with what you say, but wow! You said a lot and makes a lot of since. However, you seem to say Israel and Iraq alot
about getting bombed and leaving Iran out completely like they won't get touched. I think they will get hurt yes.
However, I'm wondering if we here in the US will get hurt as well? Could Russian or even China actually try and strike us?
Except I believe Obama will get the election and ....thats another story.
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reply posted on 11-6-2008 @ 12:33 AM by seircram
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Originally posted by alienstar
Best case senerio they are going to just do airstrikes on the nuclear facilities,worst case they will have a all out nuclear war with other involved
countries.There is defin no draft and no ground war.Iraq alone will tell you why. 
I don't know if Iraq had any allies at the time we invaded.
But Iran does have both Russia and China as allies, with (I believe I read this somewhere but don't have anything handy) mutual defense
agreements.
At least two people I've listened to (George Green and Steve Quayle's "HAWK") think that a nuclear strike on Iran will lead to immediate nuclear
retaliation on US Soil. As well as hit our fleet in the Middle East.
Both the above sources (Green for sure) have said the Russian's have very advanced nuclear attack subs that are "invisible" for all practical
purposes off both of our coasts.
Time to get out those FEMA "Nuclear Strikes" maps of America!
However, I noticed that on Monday Israel did some backpedaling on it's hawkish attack stance against Iran, as well as Bush saying we will try
economic pressures first. Interestingly, Alex Jone's reported (via an insider's leak) that the Bilderberg group was split about 51 to 49 percent
against going to war with Israel right now.
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reply posted on 11-6-2008 @ 12:51 AM by Agit8dChop
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Iran will be hammered,
Places like Tehran, Shiraz the cities themselves wont be TOO bad, accept for military HQ's.
Coastal cities will be hit hard, oil producing cities, nuclear research cities..
I feel more damage will be done outside the main public zones, but they wont be free from trouble.
Iran has its own domestic groups, which will definately take the chance to bomb places.
The US / Israel just cant go carpet bombing civilians, they need to appear to be following their plan of attack, likewise they cant just drop a nuke
on shiraz... any nukes will be tactical, and on bases/ports/nuclear sites.
and missile strikes will be on government/military
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reply posted on 11-6-2008 @ 12:59 AM by Anonymous ATS
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people are saying that the 3rd world war has already began if anyone attacks Iran I think that if the 3rd world war has infact begun then people are
going to see a massive escalation. There are a number of countries around the world that expirience political tensions with other countries look at
India and Pakistan or at the possiblity that the palastinians and the lebonese also attacking israel then australia and indonesia china and taiwan.
America will be hurt in some way if not from a direct strike from another country it will be by these sleeper cells
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reply posted on 11-6-2008 @ 01:29 AM by Karlhungis
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If we attack Iran, I would guess that oil would double, a draft would be instated, people would riot, the world economy would be crippled due to the
cost of fuel, food shortages would get worse, and we would probably face some terrorist attacks on our soil.
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reply posted on 11-6-2008 @ 02:01 AM by Cyberbian
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Anyone who thinks the Miltary Industrial Complex cares about whether we can afford another war is in denial. They care about their profits, their
power, their continued growth of dominance and control.
We are currently in a state of affairs where some of the war corporations dominate the schoolyard, and could not care less about the effect upon other
corporations.
They have absolutely no regard for the puny individuals. The more they wipe out, the higher the percentage of what remains they control. They can
always grow more peasants. Hell there is never a shortage of cannon fodder, as long as you keep shrinking the economy around the peasants and
whispering dark rumors of malignant enemys.
The truth of war is that it is the most profitable economy for industrialist, the least profitable for the individual. As a general rule those
members of society who are well off do not go to war. Those who are less well off have little choice.
There will be war on a grand scale. The new toys have been tested. But the real profits come from mass production, deployment, and the dispensing of
product. Oh how grand it will be to once again dispense product across the face of the planet in a frenzy of passionate distribution.
What must happen is that the world is pulled into WWIII. And you must want to fight. You must want to kill. It is what all the religions have been
designed for. They all interlock into a grand battle for dominanance which has not been allowed to conclude in thousands of years of war.
I promise you that if there is ever One World, only a very small self agrandizing group will be allowed to live in it. Invitation Only, and you are
not on the list my friend.
Most of the world will quickly be wiped out by pandemics which have already been set on the stage. We are no exception in the US.
In grand scale warfare, disease and starvation kill more than the weapons.
The draft boards will no more discriminate because you are an illegal alien than the voting proceedures do. That is why it is especially important to
get out the illegal alien vote. Do not forget to register to vote! This is an important year for the people. We must get out the youth vote!
Why do you think the media keeps telling everyone that there are not safeguards to prevent illegal aliens from voting?
All Muslims will be rounded up and sent to detention centers. Those of proper age will probably have the option to join the military and prove their
loyalty to the US. The rest can work in war production to pay their way, there is no room for freeloaders, everything for the war effort!
You do want to prove your loyalty, don't you?
Of course everything will be rationed. Everything will be needed for the war effort. No one will question the burning of coal for fuel once the oil
fields are all burning in the middle east. Any fuel source will be welcome when survival is on the line.
Environmentalism will be a lost concept. There are no environmentalists on napalm bombardments. Every nation will try to defend what resources it has
available. To run out of resources is to be overrun.
Of course the major players could just start throwing Neutron Bombs at some point and clear off major sections of the board. Neutron bombs residual
radiation has a half life of 12.5 years.
www.answerbag.com...
 The neutron bomb concept was tested successfully in the late 1950s and early 1960s. The US constructed about 1000 neutron weapons during the
Reagan administration. Other countries known to possess such weapons include: territories within the former USSR, China, Israel, and South Africa. It
is likely that any military nuclear power with access to bomb-grade plutonium has developed these weapons at some time. South Africa has claimed their
weapons were dismantled.
The Russians developed grapefruit sized fusion neutron bombs. They are undetectable and known to be out in the wild.
www.geocities.com...
With even a weak nuclear reactor Iran could irradiate Red Mercury and manufacture their own neutron bombs.
According to Wikipedia most nations have dismanteld their stockpiles of neutron bombs. I wonder how long it takes to put one back together?
If you follow the links you will see that Nuclear war does not need to result in the total destruction of the planet. The tactical Neutron bombs can
play a major role with no longterm damage to the planet.
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reply posted on 11-6-2008 @ 02:13 AM by alienstar
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Russia will be the loan one that will stick for Iran since they gave them the technology etc for the reactor,they also are a big military outsource
for this military equipment.Who you think for president has the nerve to start another ground war?I dont even think Bush could sum that one up again
either.What are they going to draft?The military cant even keep up there moral with Iraq.People doing 4-5 tours isnt uncommon now.Get real.They are
going to start a full scale war over stupid reactors with no real proof they are making weapons.
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