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Abandonned Alein Spaceship on the moon (Video)

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posted on Jun, 12 2008 @ 10:55 AM
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Yes i seen the video about a few weeks back and it was umm... questioning. But it yes it looked like a spacecraft... a big ass one. I think NASA should go and Tow it back to earth.




posted on Jun, 12 2008 @ 11:34 AM
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Hi, I just read over the post, and a couple of the replies.
I think the biggest problem so far with this guy's video and article (I realise it's not yours) is that he says the fly over was from the LM-15 craft...? Perhaps I'm mistaken, but the LM-15 craft was intended for the Apllo 20 mission. Which never launched, in fact the last Apollo mission to launch was Apollo 17, which used LM-12, named "challenger".

You can check for yourselves if you want to, en.wikipedia.org...
Wikipedia has a list of the missions and the lunar modules. LM-15 actaully ended up being scrapped, it's launch vehicle was used to lauch skylab...

As for subsequent Saturn missions, they didn't use the LM-15 either, like I said, it was scrapped...

So either I'm confused, and the LM-15 is referring to another mission or craft.
Or the guy who originally wrote this didn't bother to read that the Apollo missions ended with number 17, which utilised LM-12, and that LM-15 was scrapped, and the launch vehicle used for skylab, and not for a lunar mission.

Hope this helps with some clarity.



posted on Jun, 12 2008 @ 12:16 PM
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reply to post by johndoeknows
 

Thank you for the clarification (i'm going to take a look at your thread btw)

Maybe Kaguya Selene will provide us with some 10 meter res image of the area

I would like to point out that in my opinion all the stuff coming from retiredafb is a load of crap: some of his video have already been proven to be deliberate hoaxes, one of them was taken from a documentary (im sure that free_spirit knows more details about it) and mona lisa ebe has some issues regarding a flying torso
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I'm just interested in the formation



posted on Jun, 12 2008 @ 12:39 PM
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well i spent plenty of time reading the posts. I watched the video while i was eating breakfast here at work..it looked authentic if your just waking up with a hungry stomach. but after careful concideration im gonna just say that i have no idea whats going on at that location on the moon, The fact that there are hundreds of reports of moon anomolies is very interesting to me,

Ive heard abduction cases of people who have been taken to the dark side of the moon,but im still not totally convinced.

I know for a select few there is a psychic ablility to astral project to these locations. I wish that ATS actually had a self proclaimed "projector" who is willing to set aside time to go to the surface of the moon and check things out. The question is would be believe them if they even came forward, most wouldnt but i would. my goal is to actually practice this in my own life in hopes to visit the moon in this way.


ive noticed that retired air pilots and military men are coming out now,(now that the're in the last stage of life) with their experiences with ufos. But at the same time we have people like retiredAFB who do the dis-info game..cant we all just get along



posted on Jun, 12 2008 @ 12:40 PM
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Originally posted by whatukno
I don't normally venture into the UFO forums as they are usually filled to the brim with BS and fighting.

Oh as far as everyone is concerned, Yes there are a lot of CGI and bogus finds in the UFO community. But not everything has to be bogus or there would be no UFO field. If everything was bogus the study would die and people would get to the point of just ignoring this topic completely. So therefor there has to be something to this or even the hoaxers wouldn't bother to hoax.

Just an idea for y'all


Maybe if you spent a little more time in here you would realise how much crap is in here lately.

Yes, there's something to, we are here if I can speak for the majority. We have witnessed an extroidinary event that has burned an image in our mind we will never forget. And most weren't ready with camera or video at the time it happened.

That's what we are here for, is to sift through the crap and get it out of here.

So you might want to leave this forum if you don't like it.

Just an idea for ya'



posted on Jun, 12 2008 @ 12:49 PM
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How quickly can you dismiss something that you've never seen with your own eyes, all the information about the moon comes from NASA and it's been proved also that there are a lot of anomalies in their footage, for me that's enough to keep the door open since the only source we can compare it to is suspicious. As for the retiresAFB footage I have to say, in my humble opinion of course, that there are a couple of weird outtakes on it but if at least 10% of it is true then it's the most consistent proof that there's something out there we haven't been told.



posted on Jun, 12 2008 @ 02:32 PM
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Sorry for my first post ... your links didn't work so i found one that had some of it in it.
I have a question: "Don't you think from the movement of camera that the one who filmed it is close to the object? At least for me it seems this way .... it could be made on earth with a model and a camera. But if this video is authentic ... i just have to say ...IT'S A BIG ONE ....
But still for me it looks like this video was made on earth.



posted on Jun, 12 2008 @ 05:49 PM
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Originally posted by johndoeknows
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The I am sorry part was intended for everybody who believes its a ship.
Not to you directly.
I replied to you for the mars part in my post! so you would read it


Here the link to the new high res pictures scanned from the originals.
Zoom in on the location 17.0 dgr S and 116.9 dgr E I believe.

And then use the black pointer in the menu bar for the available pictures. There are a lot from this "ship" but it its terrain. When you click on a image you can also download the raw scans sizes vary up to 1. gb.
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I think you know this but if not doesn't hurt to tell it just to be sure!


[edit on 12-6-2008 by johndoeknows]


If you're referring to the flyover video, here's a screen grab of the alien ship. This doesn't look like "terrain" to me.





posted on Jun, 12 2008 @ 06:12 PM
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This is a total load of nonsense. There was no Apollo 20, PLUS they used the Qindar tones incorrectly. This is a REALLY bad hoax, they didn't even TRY to make it look real people!



posted on Jun, 12 2008 @ 06:54 PM
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"Very nice frame stop!!"
I was trying to do this through out the last part of the footage to examine the the details of this so called craft, by the way, I am the OP of this thread.
I don't know if it is for real or not, but the visual aspects of the video allowed me to 'accept' what I was seeing.
There are a few long time member's here that say it is a hoax, but I wonder why it is done with so much precision and discretion of the video maker.?

I was a member of the S.B.O.M.R.;
www.abovetopsecret.com...

and while retrieving information of certain structure's, I have come to the conclusion of the fact there are anomalies on the face of the moon that would require an "intellectual" hand to be created.

Just thought this would validate some of my preempted notions of the research that I had done.

I personally believe there was some kind of life on the moon before us, and with the pic's and stories I have accumulated (Even if NASA denies them as hoax/dis-info or out right lies) there is and has been a cover up in our (USA) government because they feel we can't truly deal with the truth.

the fact of the matter is,"There are no facts, but much to matter." in my eye's.

IMHO.........



posted on Jun, 12 2008 @ 07:24 PM
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This exact video pops up here on ATS every few months and then gets re-hashed about.

Please folks - when considering starting a new thread FIRST do a quick and simple search on your topic, e.g. Apollo 20 video", to see how many threads have already beat the topic to death.

I would think a genuinely interested person would want to do this anyway since they will then get the benefit of exhaustive analysis ALREADY DONE on the exact same video, anomaly, or whatever.

My suggestion to mods: Kindly close these redundant threads and with all due respect and courtesy, redirect the OP and the growing list of redundantly-inspired followers to the existing thread(s) on this exact same topic.

Now if the OP had something NEW and/or revelatory that would be one thing, but yet another, "hey, look at this cool you-tube clip I found..." just ends up digging up a dead horse to beat up on some more. Give the existing thread-starter more credit and revive/redirect discussion there.

The added corollary benefit si that all subsequent searchers of information on this topic can then see all of the enlightened posts in a single, or at least fewer, threads.



posted on Jun, 12 2008 @ 09:23 PM
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And you have added to this discussion how?

Listen, in all due respect, the OP states he did a search and didn't find it. Beating a dead horse, as you put it, could also be classified as putting yet another post in this thread about all the great research that has already been done.

I get your point. but such snobbery doesn't endear new research to our cause.



posted on Jun, 12 2008 @ 09:37 PM
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OK, this isn't a mud pit, so lets everyone stop slinging it. I won't name names, but you know who you are, and so do I.

And we don't usually close threads where an active discussion is ongoing. Nor do we usually close threads just because the topic has been discussed before, provided the older thread isn't still ongoing.

Let me suggest, strongly, that if you're offended by this thread, back away from it. Standing around complaining that other people shouldn't have a right to discuss something is NOT the way we do things, and most of you should know that.

Further sideline gripe posts of such a nature will be reviewed as potential trolling to disrupt the boards.



posted on Jun, 12 2008 @ 09:39 PM
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bfft, I believe outrageo may be referring to a lot of chatter, on YT, about this. Just a guess, not a defence.

I am still hoping someone, with better tools than me, could look into my earlier questions: What would be the light levels, at the given co-ordinates on the Moon (approx 017 S/ 117 E) on the dates in question (approx 20 - 21 Aug 1976)??

Second question....the premise is that a Saturn V was launched from Vandenburg, on the west Coast of California (I grew up in LA, so I know that Vandenburg AFB is North of LA) as part of an Air Force Secret Program. This Saturn V was needed to provide sufficient velocity to loft the required payload? As in the Public launches of Apollos 7-17?

Corollary....launches are conducted to to take advantage of the Earth's rotational velocity....at least, when we are talking about conventional LOX/LH, propulsion....or, even, with SRB added thrust (which I don't think applied to the Saturn V, even in 1976).

As I tend to be, only sceptical until I see a valid explanation to make me think....hmmmmm!

Third aspect of a West Coast Saturn V launch....where do the First and Second Stages fall? Neither are high enough, at separation, as far as I understand, to 'burn up'....their velocities aren't sufficient anyway.

Anyone who cares to chime in with an answer, I will appreciate very much.

WW

edit, in case the Mod didn't like what I wrote....NGC, the premise here, is whether or not there was an Apollo 20, as part of the secret AF Space Program, and whether it could have launched, in secret, with Soviet assistance, in 1976.

The video in question, if valid, and leaked, would then have veritas.

I am hoping some will help with Moon phase info, on the appropriate dates, along with the Sun angles, shadows, etc. Either verify, or debunk....or leave doubt....

I have seen others say that 'Apollo 19' crashed, killing all onboard (not sure where I saw THAT!).

As to the 'Apollo 20' video in question....I will only say this one more thing. Some say the soundtrack was removed to protect the identity of the 'Ground Controllers'. BUT, anyone who has followed the space program, from Gemini onwards to Apollo, knows that the 'beeps' are not random.....it is sometimes the result of letting off the mic button. Any pilot knows what happens when two different stations key their mics on the same frequency, at the same time....this, on VHF frequencies. Lower (HF) frequencies don't exhibit the same interferrence 'noise'. Higher, UHF freqs, are likely (as the case of the Space Program) able to differentiate....so any minor interferrence, due to the time delay of several seconds round trip, results in the occasional 'beep'! The equipment was sophisticated....

Finally....Comm required line-of-sight, when Apollo 8-17 were 'behind' the Moon, there was no-comm. Why would an alleged 'Apollo 20' have direct Comm with Houston while on the farside? A special relay satellite put into Lunar orbit? Possible. But, plausible?







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posted on Jun, 13 2008 @ 12:29 AM
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i will tell you what i know about secret launches. perhaps zorgon will chime in further with the stuff that john and jack have put together.

i will only briefly mention sealaunch. There is ample information to be found about it at the link in my signature, and it has been presented by zorgon in more than one thread.

but, on a more personal note, my mom grew up on Kwajelein. In the late 60's the military suddenly had issues with their camera equipment.

since there was really no entertainment (USO radio), people spent their money on things like "hi-fi stereo" and camera's (still and movie). my family has dozens of spectacular images of rocket launches (growing up, there were at least 50 of them framed, hanging around my grandparents house). They didn't know much about them...but they were fascinated by them (and proud of the achievement, as americans). I am in the process of getting all the remaining movies and images converted to digital, and one day hope i can publish them for ATS. as well, i am preparing interviews for remaining family. grandparents are dead, uncles and mom aren't.

back to the story....this army camera "failure" happened, and they asked the islanders to donate copies they had of the launch sequence for military archives. i don't know if it was army or not...but mom always said that (the same as my wife calls a wasp a bee...metaphorically interchangable).

the military was supposedly startled at the quality of video that the civilians had (exceeding their own, when considering the wealth of data achieved), and banned the filming or photographing of any more launches. the request that was made of the civilians was that they stay inside during launches.

i don't buy the 'camera failure", and neither did most of the islanders. the discovery of the aquila and other heavy lift operations, especially in consideration of your question, is somewhat suspect in the context of the above mentioned incident.

as i said, i am still gathering details. what i provided above is just based on my life growing up around this family of mine, with all their stories of those years in the south pacific. you should see the number of sea shells we have. and a TON of furniture from a tree that grew in the marshall island area, but is now extinct. everyone has some of it in their house somewhere.



posted on Jun, 13 2008 @ 01:37 AM
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Oh.....well, BFFT....that actually makes sense, if we are going to postulate launches....since I used to fly for (X0) I know about the possiblity of secret bases out there. Not being sarcastic, though it may sound as if I am...I'm not!!!

This opens my eyes, a bit wider, than I expected.

Itis said that 'disclosre' may come in baby steps. Think of me as a babe.

Point I made was....Vandenburg could have been a red herring. A Launch platform, nearer the Equator, and further West, in the Pacific....not Hawai'i, of course...further West....well, actually, past the International Date Line.....but within the Micronoesia Chain???? I have an idea, but will not speak it. I just know, from stories, when guys I worked with, told me they had the windows blacked out......

So, close to the Equator, the Stages would fall into the Pacific Ocean, no risk to the USA.....hmmmmmmm



posted on Jun, 13 2008 @ 01:40 AM
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bfft....all you had to mention was Kwajelien.....and you got my attention!!

Please go on....

Just edit for proper spelling of Kwajelien.

[edit on 6/13/0808 by weedwhacker]



posted on Jun, 13 2008 @ 01:48 AM
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Please do you really believe this picture to be real?
If I had the time I could reproduce that and do a better job.

I seen the movies of the ship and the photo's but I visited the mission photos + movies and yes they are very interesting but on the latest high res scans it looks like terrain to me.

True it could have bean altered by NASA and I really hope so, but al I can judge right now are the latest high res scans and those look like terrain.

Please show me I am wrong it would be great if there was a ship!

But ask your self this if a ship did crash wouldn't it be recovered by the owners! If it got lost, there was enough time to fiend it before we went to the moon!

The No. 1 object still not debunked and jet to be explained to me is "The dome on mars" the rest is to vague!



posted on Jun, 13 2008 @ 02:34 AM
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Originally posted by undo
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Can you locate it in the color Clementine images here?
ser.sese.asu.edu...


Here you are:

photo-1 is from the high res scans:


Photo 2 is from the high res close up:


Photo 3 is from the Clementine:


The arrow points to the location of the ship in 2 pictures.
Clementine is not so high res! But from this altitude it should have bin visible? The Clementine images look distorted to me (maybe altered) but that's just speculation.

I still have to go on the new high res scans and I still lean towards terrain!



posted on Jun, 13 2008 @ 04:39 AM
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woot, soon you will be one of us.



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