You wrote: Something that's real is something that actually happens, not a dream. It must be very hard for you geting through the day when you can't tell the difference.

I’m unsure from this response whom you’re responding to. To include the second assumption that one cannot “get through the day” not differentiating reality from fantasy is in the third person again. Why not stop mocking and start sharing? So…what has been your own experiences with spirits? If you’ve had none, then why be so egotistical to assume that others couldn’t have?

What on Earth makes you think that some spiritual fantasy would make my daily life experience any better? Can that enhance anything or cause what is to be better?

Excuse me….I would never want or need a fantasy like what I experienced for 30 years! You appear quite smug there behind your keyboard & screen, come out now and demonstrate what you actually know (not assumptions or opinion) and convince me that you’ve actually got some meaningful comments for me.

Talk is cheap Bro & BS walks,
Deep

Now why can't I 'get' the words out as nicely as you? I really have wondered WHY people reply to threads they know nothing about-and then reply in the manner that Oisin has..If you don't know..ASK! If you don't care then don't reply is MY personal motto, otherwise it almost looks as though you are just 'picking' on the thread or the topic..or even the person.

I know I can say that I come here asking questions and sharing my stories because I want to know more..learn more-have answers.. and you won't get answers if you just mock people in threads. So if ya think we are losers and talk about life as a 'fantasy' then walk on by and find another thread where YOU think you can add some knowledge

Magestica(making it through yet another day after 30 years)

Could it be that the incubi is nothin more than an animal species??? But just from a less dense dimensional frequency (less dense dimension)...??

if you ever get over being tricked into thinking your asleep you will start to be tricked into thinking your awake..........when i researched this subject or should i say tried to find out if anyone knew why this happened or what it meant i came across a lot of made up theories and bull#.i started with sleep disorders progressed to narcolepsy which led to incubus/subcubus spirits demons devils and teletubbies if you know what i mean.i have 2 sisters who have both in their own way looked for the answers as to why and what this is but who have both been met by people who frankly dont have a clue.

I'm just saying that you could explain what happened in a much more logical way than to presume it's a spirit of some kind, and seeing as you have no proof that it is, why rule out the possiblity that it wasn't? Which it obviously can't have been...

Ok..I'm thinking you are looking for some facts or truth and you feel as though it's not enough to believe someone's words, instead you want to actually 'see' it to believe it..I can completely understand you for feeling this way and there is really nothing in the world that *I* can tell you to make you believe me, and certainly no way to show you..so really don't you think it's pretty pointless what you are asking? All you can do is read this forum and maybe you'll start to feel that there are more things in life that what your actual *eyes* see..and this is called the 'spirit' world and believe it or not it exsist all around each living creature on the planet, some just need to take a much closer and deeper look is all and then some it just finds you without you even searching for it..I don't know the answers to this, and I really don't think anyone does, but I can tell you the more knowledge you gain the better chances you have of finding it for yourself. Listen to what people say and not just with your ears but listen with your mind, your spirit and hold it there instead of tossing it out as a load of crap...get in tune with the things that are all around you...feel the energy of the day and of the night. Reach out and touch something that you cannot feel, but sense is there..and you will find understanding and belief there within yourself.
Everyone holds the key to the spirit world, but some just never use it. Ask questions about everything you are doubting, but ask with an eagerness to learn instead an eagerness to dispute it. I'm very willing to share what I've seen with anyone who is willing to listen and I'm sure I speak for most here on this board..
Well I hope that helps...
Magestica

"Believe it or not it exists" ? So you're essentially saying I'm wrong? Which is what I was saying about you? So we're both as bad as eachother? Alright, maybe there is some kind of spirit world, even if I did think so I'd never admit it but there you are. And you can't imagine the possibility that there isn't? Even for a minute? It makes a lot more sense. Once you accept that there is no hope and life is meaningless and short everything becomes a lot easier. Once you let go you don't have all that waiting and praying dragging your life down the drain. I wish there was more to it than that but there isn't. There can't be.

Well my instincts were certainly right about you...you seem to be in a very 'unhopeful' frame of mind..and yes, you are right by saying it's my word against yours...but I have the proof that there is a spirit world and you don't. So what does that tell you??

Oisin~I'm not going to turn 'Deepwaters' thread here into and ongoing debate back and forth with you, as much as I would like to thou so if you have any more questions, arguements or words directed towards me..then send me a u2, I'll be glad to answer anything you'd like and am willing to listen to you as well..
Magestica

Originally posted by Oisin
"Believe it or not it exists" ? So you're essentially saying I'm wrong? Which is what I was saying about you? So we're both as bad as eachother? Alright, maybe there is some kind of spirit world, even if I did think so I'd never admit it but there you are. And you can't imagine the possibility that there isn't? Even for a minute? It makes a lot more sense. Once you accept that there is no hope and life is meaningless and short everything becomes a lot easier. Once you let go you don't have all that waiting and praying dragging your life down the drain. I wish there was more to it than that but there isn't. There can't be.

Well then what the heck were those creatures around my bed when I was having an oobe and floating a few feet over my bed??? That 3-4 foot, ball shaped orange growling creature 4--5 feet below my bed??? That white skull that was laughing at me??? I'm sure you'll say that they're just hallucinations eh???

hi Deep

Sleep Paralyis is the bodies way of stopping us hurting ourselves while we are in REM ( Dreaming) as we awake sometimes the body is out of sync and your consciousness awakes before the brain has released the body

im finding it hard to write what i know on this subject.

Spit it out....

Hello Reap, here's a clinical analysis that relates to your comment:

Characteristics of REM respiration include shallow rapid breathing, hypoxia, hypercapnia, and occlusion of airways (Douglas, 1994). Both tidal volume and breathing rate are quite variable during REM, and because of paralysis of the major anti-gravity muscles, thoracic contribution to breathing is lower during REM than during NREM sleep (Douglas, 1994). Moreover, because individuals are conscious during SP they may sometimes attempt to breathe deeply when tidal volume decreases, just as they attempt other voluntary movements. When they find their attempts to control breathing volume and rate are unsuccessful, they will feel a sense of resistance possibly interpreted as pressure. This is consistent with the finding that the pressure on the chest is positively associated with perceived breathing problems (Cheyne, Newby-Clarke, & Rueffer, 1999; Cheyne, Rueffer, & Newby Clark, 1999). In addition, increased airflow resistance because of hypotonia of the upper airway muscles and constriction of the airways would result in feelings of choking and suffocation leading to panic and strenuous efforts to overcome the paralysis. This sequence of events is consistent with a report by Hobson, Goldfrank, & Snyder (1965) of a dream immediately following apneic respiration during REM in which the dreamer reported being choked in a dream play. Finally, because of the paralysis, the absence of dampening proprioceptive feedback following execution of motor programs associated with struggle may further lead to painful spasms (Ramachandran, Rogers-Ramachandran, & Cobb, 1995). In summary, we suggest that the incubus experience results froma cascading series of events initiated by complex respiratory conditions leading to experiences of thoracic pressure, choking, and physical assault with associated pain.

its how to start thats the problem i arrived on this site by accident looking for something unrelated to anything on here.i was in the army a long time ago and was looking for things to do with my ex-regiment,google i think it was came up with a list of military installations which again had nothing to do with my search but that led to a thread somewhere on this site which listed the ones in mainland britain.i looked over the site and signed up because of something i read in war and terrorism.i served in n ireland and have seen first hand what terrorists do and how much planning and preperation goes into even the most simple attack.thats how i got here and i suppose im finding it difficult because unlike most people here ive never really believed in religion or ever considered myself to be spiritual.ive never visited a psychic or had my future told and ive never felt mystical or magical in anyway.im not worried about people not believing me its just that ive never really talked about this.ive asked about it and read about it but all people talk about is the sheer terror of it.ive been able to control my dreams my entire life.sometimes manufacturing them changing them restarting them and re-entering them.if i have a good dream one day ive been able to have the same dream everyday until im bored of it.i can understand the terror people feel when experiencing sleep paralysis but i cant understand why something so simple has the effect it seems to have on peoples lives.i suppose thats down to what they believe in.i dont know where to start getting rid of the fear or trying to move wake up or scream.the most times i awoke paralysed before going to sleep properly was about 8,it gets annoying knowing you have to wake up to go back to sleep.its also pointless trying to alert someone lying next to you of the condition your in because when you wake up your not always in the same position you were paralysed in.i tried to alert my ex-wife lots of times before i noticed by nudging her but found it impossible to move.i tried to move my head once by throwing my eyes from side to side.i tried to wake her my making noises with my throat but the only sound i made was like a muffled donald duck gurgling water.i was aware of my body and i could hear myself asleep.the prescence or incubi is the reason im having difficulty writing this though not because of how terrifying it feels but of how easy it is to get rid of.the first time i felt it i was rigid with fear,it was there i couldnt quite see it but i could feel it,i used to frighten myself awake.when i started to get used to it it began to growl,still in the shadows but closer.the first day it attacked me it scared me so much i was screaming and sitting bolt upright in bed as i woke.this went on for weeks until one day i didnt try to move when it attacked and i felt nothing.it couldnt hurt me because i couldnt feel anything.it showed itself by walking up my body and looking at me showing its teeth.i ignored it but i knew what it was.my deepest fear has always been to be helpless and have a dog repeatadly bite my body and work its way to my face and here i was paralysed with something sitting on my chest snarling at me.the only thing was it couldnt hurt me.i was no longer scared of it and used to ignore it until it eventually stopped appearing.my fear created it and my and my realisation of this took it away. everyones worst nightmare is to be helpless at the hands of there worst fear.

Hello squintingcat, that is an amazing contribution - thank you! That is incredible, I've never heard anyone share that type of experience before.

So you've actually seen the incubus that was attacking you and heard it growl? Did you smell anything? I've heard that certain spirits smell terrible or sometimes of sulphur.

I've read the personal account of James VI of Scotland (later James I of England) of when he attended a spirit summoning at a church in Berwick on Tweed. The spirit was summoned by the warlock of the Earl of Bothwell and it commanded James to literally kiss it's a$$. He did so, and said that it's skin was icy cold. James wrote a book entitled "Demonologie" not too long after that incident.

I also heard a very deep humming noise that got louder and louder

do you still get this sound when you a.p.? it startled me when it 1st happened but i read that its just the noise that's heard when your astral self is in the process of separating from the physical self. kind of like a suction effect.

i consciously affirmed that i wanted to be completely aware of the whole process from start to finish so that's what i got. but i haven't been able to replicate this. i like the rush i get from it.

do you have any ideas how i can get this process back with relative ease? hope you don't think i'm crazy to want it. i know most projectors would rather skip the process & just be aware after separation not during separation.

Are you asking if I still hear that humming/cracking noise when I AP? Because it's really strange that I only heard it a few times, but the strange thing is..is that I still AP but it's different...I actually believe that you can 1)project on your own or 2) some other 'force' pulls you out-and the times I recall hearing the noises were the times I believe I was under attack. I've written somewhat about this at another site-but don't feel comfortable enough to do it here yet but this is certainly interesting...what do you think?

I also think that there might be different levels to obe's and the more you focus on them and conentrate the deeper the level/feeling..

I don't regularly AP too much anymore..infact if I feel one coming on..I FORCE myself to wake up and actually have to get up and walk around to stop it. I've had some very bad experiences with these and I think I'm just terrified that it may happen again is why I stop them..but sometimes I'm not strong enough to wake and so I go with it gracefully and somehow I can ward off the evil lurking there-sometimes. Guess it depends on your strength for the day..there are days when I'm weak and days when I'm strong...weird though and one of the top 5 things I want answers to..
Take Care
Magestica

" face your fear and let it pass through you and only you will remain'" Herbert, Dune

i cant remember smelling anything,i heard myself asleep lots of times when it no longer appeared but cant remember conscioiusly breathing or smelling.i knew it could understand me but i couldnt smell it or feel its body.the way to get rid of it is to completly ignore it.it cant hurt you and is only there because your scared of it.i challenged it taunted it and swore at it to get it to show itself but it never did.i thought if i made it mad it would come out and get it over with.i started not to bother about it but them id think something moved.this carried on for ages before it attacked.the biggest shock was when it showed itself the first time.it attacked my legs to begin with but the shock of it coming into view shook me awake lots of times before it reached them.it was after it had reached them i began to work it out.