Originally posted by ModestMike I am under total control of my mind, and I just try to talk my self out of it.

Heh! in a way, isn't that true for pretty much *everybody*?

I had an experience similar to those described. Couple weeks ago I had my Wisdom teeth out and was on Percocet. One night I kept waking up ever two freakin minutes, then I couldn't move... and tried to get up but couldn't. Then there was pain... it wasn't a physical pain but felt like it was coming from the core of my brain... and shot shockwaves down my neck and spine.... very cold feeling from the inside. It felt like I was in limbo...not asleep... not awake..... I then woke up and decided it was a bad trip from the Percocet... At least I hope it was

could you be experiencing what are called "night terrors"?

they are horrible , extremely realistic nightmares that wont end, that you cant "wake up" from sometimes. or maybe they are real.. who knows. id like to do some research on them.

Is there any connection here with astral traveling? I also was not so lucky as to have experienced these ordeals in my past and my mom told me it was a form of astral progection and that we can also do this with control, but it's a horrible feeling when it happens and we aren't prepared for it. I felt like my body weighed a ton and I couldn't move like I was sinking in the bed when actually we are lifting away at this point,I also heard a very deep humming noise that got louder and louder. So this is what I always thought it was, I never once thought it was a incubus or sucubus attack but now that scares me to think it could have been

Listen to Midnight when he talks about the fact that the demons left when you stopped worshipping. It is the simple fact that you allow SOMETHING to be your brain's will power that is causing this horror. Remeber when you people said if you invite it into your bed then it will come in and take over. Well that means that if you are open to such overt and covert control in the form of worship then you will also be open to other entities. God is not the only entity. There are his angels and Satan and his dark angels, or demons. So as long as you have told the spirit world that you are curious they will always answer your call. Now from what I said it sounds like I am saying stay away from God and spiritual enlightenment, but I am not. Those things are good but they have bad things in them, like anything, cause anything in excess is bad. So you have to be moderate and AWARE. Don't allow other people and the public view distort your vision and take over your mind. You need to think for yourself not them.

So I think this is nothing more than mind control from another dimension. David Icke's book, "The Bigggest Secret" is all about this type of mind control and abuse committed by unknown forces.

As for what this thing really is. I have no idea. All I know is that if it preys on the weak then it can't be that strong. So the moral here is to be strong, and laugh in it's face. Don't even give it attention. The more you think about it the more you will summon it to come to you. If I were you Deep, I would go back to the Bible, throw away anything that isn't virtue and run with it. You don't need all that "Fear of God", nor did you need the so-called facts. All you need to beat this world and the worlds around you is the spirit and soul of God and his virtue, not his macho authoritian brainwashing. Those traits of God don't exist and were put there for effect. The priest or rabbi or Iman will tell you this and that. Those so-called holy men have lied and lied and lied. Whoever allows them to impose any indoctrination opon them is a fool. The indoctrination isn't even necessary from God himself in part because he is incapable of such force. God is unity, not dispute. He has been misrepresented by the clergy. You See???????

I had something happen to me once that reminds me of what you guys are saying. I was reading the bible,which I hadn't picked up in almost a year. I was reading revelations of all things and the lights flickered then went out. I just sat there thinking ok, is this the devil or God trying to tell me something? So I got up and put the bible down and the lights came back on. So my conclusion was that Satan was trying to scare me not to read the bible...it worked that night!

Or maybe it was God testing your faith. Either way, any way it makes no difference. The fact the you let that moment be a determing factor in your decision to seek knowledge just shows that David Icke is right about mind control. I can't wait to talk to you when you have finished his book. The speculative and gauging inquiry will be endless among us. I think you and I will fly through this MATRIX of deception like bats out of hell. So isn't Okinawa beautiful? I herd it was. I hope it isn't too unsettling there, you know with your husband being in the service and all. So where else have you been?

Abraham, never thought it could be God testing my faith, but then I never thought he'd have a reason to?
Anyway, yes it's quite pretty here alot like Florida- where I came from. I've also been to Iceland and I'd much rather be there then here it was amazingly beautiful! BTW...where are you?

I am in Southern California. I am from Tarzana, California and have been and lived in many states in America, including Texas, Alabama, and Pennsylvania.

i'm 18 years old, born as a christian and well, yeah... i've experienced this "incubus" stuff 3 times or maybe even more now... the first was when i first heard about other ppls experiences of it and i started to build a fear of it, that was about 4 yrs ago. but yeah, anyways, the first time it had happened, i felt like only a few seconds of it putting pressure on me... i tried to scream, wake my sister, who was sleeping rite next to me, i tried to move my fingers or toes and at the same time i prayed... and when i had finally said for God to protect me, i felt it go right thru me and got up and grabbed my bible, holding it tight against my chest i finally fell asleep after a quick prayer or protection and comfort. that same nite i dreamt (or so I thought) that another came back to me or possible the same one, and saw a tall dark image coming towards me and i didn't want it to come near me so i threw my bible to it and as soon as my bible landed on the ground, the thing came on top of me again but it was less than a second... i woke up the next morning, and saw my bible next to the door of the floor. it really freaked me out. i told my parents about it and they said that i let them see my fear.... they knew i was scared and that i was weak so they took the oppurtunity to do what they intended....

the second time it happened was about two years later... i was 16 and in lust... the same week that our youth was going on a camp retreat, i did not go because my dumb ex-bf did not want me to go. my sisters were all going to pay for me to go but i said no. that same nite, i went to bed around 2, after talking to my ex, boyfriend at the time, he was telling me about his dead father coming to talk to him and saying rude comments about anyone who was talking badly of his family in their house... i was scared because of "ghost" or spirit walking around in the living and trying to contact anyone they can.... and again, i saw a figure coming towards me... and then, it got on top and put pressure on me.... i was so scared after that, i turned the light on and grabbed my bible and started to read i.. I had not touched it for so long... and thought to myself. i did not put God as #1 in my life... i had placed my bf in front of everything that had meaning in my life, even before my family. Why would God bring me comfort, i thought to myself... i asked for forgiveness and immediately started reading some things.... revelation... it was very interesting and i was really scared, but there were bits of it that i did not understand. the next night, my sister and i decided to sleep in the livingroom, and well, instead of seeing a tall dark figure, i saw a bright figure against our old off white wall... to this day, i keep telling myself that maybe my head is just playing tricks on me... i'm not sure what the meaning of this was. a few days after this incident, we broke of our relationship.

the third time.. i did not think that i would have to experience incubus anymore. i was growing spritually and not only that, i had more faith than i did before in my entire life. i had read all of the Left Behind Series up to book 10 and felt i had a better understanding of it more than i did almost a year ago..

my brothers were up and they were talking about the experiences their friends had had, they were saying that whether you lay on your back or your side, it will still be able to put pressure on you and do what it would if you were normally laying on you back... about two weeks ago, it had happened to my cousin, who was into crank and stuff and recently quit, five times the same night. she told my older sister about it, and then, a week after that it happened to my sister. then, it happened to me. I was laying towards the wall when i started to feel the weird presence i felt before when it first happened... i turned to face the opposite direction and layed on my side. i kept telling to myself for more than ten times that there was nothing there, praying hard that my God push this presence away from me... then it happened... this time, it seemed like forever, also with so much more pressure than before, and expecially on my heart the most. I was trying to call out my sisters name, but not a word came out of my mouth. i tried moving any part of my body that i could, but i could not. i said a prayer for God to protect me, for his son's blood to help me breath.... then it sunk rite thru me again, but very slowly though. i woke up the instance it left my body and got my little sister to sleep next to me in bed... ever since that nite i haven't really been able to go to bed without keeping a nite lite on and some music on to drown out the footsteps i keep hearing every once in awhile walking to my room to the livingroom. before i went to bed that nite, i was reading a book about having a relationship with God.... it was saying this and that about it and i began to doubt that there is even a God. i guess that nite, had been a test of my faith for him. I felt terrible inside because i had doubt and did not believe. BUt God is an awesome God, as well as a forgiving God.

i just wanted to share my experience. i am still building my faith in him and i am not sure if i will totally be able to hold it all in and push off this kind of evil spirit away from me, but i know that these experience, even if it scared the crap out of me all the time, i still believe. yeah.

Deepwaters, how does this sound:

You are asleep, yet you become what you think is awake to find what appears to be a woman wearing black and flowing garments lighting upon your chest. Her face is pale, her lips dark yet her eyes red and her teeth, at least the K-9's appear slightly longer. When she lights upon your chest you find there is nothing light about her at all, and you are unable to move. Being physically fit, strong, and one who has the propensity for the barroom brawl and streetfighting, you would think you could do something, but you're pinned and terrified. She presses her lips to your mouth and yopu are eye to eye with her red eyes that are terrifying. You fight to keep her from taking your very life through your lungs. Just as you are sure you are about to lose the battle, you awaken, drenched in sweat and struggling to breathe. All of your muscles ache from struggle, but when you turn the light on, there is no one there.

First off, I wish to thank everyone who has contributed to this thread and shared their personal experiences. I am still trying to get my former girlfriend’s eye witness account of one of my oppressive experiences – and will post that ASAP.

Thomas, the experience that you’ve described differs from my own, but I assume this type of thing is subjective as well as having similar characteristics. Both Incubus (male) and succubus (female) spirits are sexual in nature. Your description of a female form sitting on your chest and pressing her lips to you sounds sexual in nature - you said that you suddenly woke up and was alone, which sounds like a nightmare experience.

I must separate my own experiences into (A) the oppressive attacks that held my body frozen, my voice choked and felt like I was held by steel bands - those attacks, I believe to have been by a spirit (although there was no sexual nature to them, just an oppression) and when referring to them I’ll put a bracketed “A” in front, like this (A).

And secondly, (B) what I refer to as night terrors, or nightmares – those experiences, I’ll prefix with a bracketed “B” like this (B).

My (A) experiences were always the same, I was conscious during the oppression. I was fully awake and aware of not being able to move. I could hear my own thoughts and my eyes were open – I was staring into the darkness, but I could only make guttural / muffled sounds, no clear speech. It felt as though my vocal chords were being choked, but could clearly think and knew that I was conscious. I could feel something like steel bands around my body and could not move at all, even though I consciously struggled to be free. I clearly remember a few dreams that preceded the (A) type of attacks. As soon as I would begin to slip out of consciousness, I would see colours coming at me similar to a kaleidoscope effect. In one dream I was held in a clear glass oblong box, flying / spinning through a void, at the other end of the box was a silver cross.

In my (B) nightmares (always spiritual in nature), these attacks always began with a dream that was spiritual in nature i.e., a satanic spirit was outside and about to enter my home through an open window. In the dream I was frozen and terrified, unable to protect myself or lock the window. I would scream in a muffled voice trying to defend myself from satanic attacks – often quoting scripture. I could actually hear myself screaming in my half dream state and was embarrassed that my neighbours probably heard me through the wall. Often those dreams were in black and white and looked like the old Dracula movies with grey mist against a black background. I remember one night terror where I saw the shadowy form of a woman with a black shawl. I could never see her face, but I “knew” she was an evil presence.

Fortunately, I have not experienced one of these frightening episodes for a couple of years now – but had them for at least 30 years.

That sounds really scarey! Has it happened more then once?

Deepwaters~ So what does it all mean? I mean are there really incubus/succubus that attack us or try to have 'relations' with us when we sleep? Could it be that they are some form of 'alien' type thing? And then why? What is it that is ultimately gained from them?

My mother..had an experience once and she SWEARS the thing actually had 'relations' with her..she could feel everything and yet she could not wake up..also she said it was very cold whatever it was and that it was FAR from an enjoyable experience..but it only happened once(so she says) and makes me wonder again why? And how is it even possible?

I apologize if you answered these questions already as I only kind of skimmed throu everyones posts..but this is really bothersome to me for many reasons..
Mag

is also indicative of "Hag" attacks....but without sexual attacks...

Why can't a female ghost just be happy giving you a

[Edited on 20-5-2003 by Gazrok]

* I do need to point out that I don't think aliens are what the "TV" has made them out to be..I don't see them as little space men coming from the sky in a spaceship. What I mean when I say alien abduction is some "form" or "being" (usually evil) that can basically find you in the night and do whatever it "can" or wants and this could be anywhere from "sexual"(succubus/incubus) to fighting, controling, showing itself or anything..abduction means 'taken' without your consent and that is what I mean when I say that. Essentually 'abduction' does usually occur while we are sleeping or atleast in a sleep state, so it makes sense to me that 'aliens' (as we call them) are actually something 'not human' that has means to control us 'there'. You have to think of how vulnerable we are when we are asleep, our minds and spirit become an open door to anything that lingers about that we just can't usually 'see' while we are awake. And on that note of course our physical bodies also can become a target. We may think what we are feeling is 'dream' like but sometimes I think it's actually physical as well.*

I was actually writing a little something personal here and decided not to post it, but I can say that yes..I believe anything is possible..whether it be incubus/succubus or whatever we name it, it is there and it can do many things that may cause us to question a whole lot more then the ground we stand on.
Just because it chooses to happen to certain folks and not everyone does not mean that it's 'make believe'. All I can say is never doubt anything, because you leave yourself open to an enemy you may face someday and then you may say, "I should have never laughed or doubted what someone else was saying" And of course that can be said about alot of things in life, but right now I'm speaking of spiritual attacks..
One should never discard anything because 'they' have yet to see the proof...

So Deepwaters, thank you once again for your info here..sometimes it's just nice to know we aren't the only one.
Magestica

Sleep's a very funny thing. I wouldn't know, I don't get much of it, but if there's nothing physical there attacking you (as clearly there wouldn't be) it's reasonable to assume that whta you're experiencing is some kind of illusion. It might be scary, but that's all there is to it.

Your reply is in the third person...am I to assume that you've never personally experienced this phenomenon?

If you haven't....how can you be so certain?

Food for thought,
Deep

[Edited on 22-5-2003 by deepwaters]

So then what is considered 'real' and what is considered 'illusion'? There is something to be said and felt for everything that one feels..therefore what seems to me what YOU may consider illusionary is seen or considered 'real' to me or another..
Magestica

Something that's real is something that actually happens, not a dream. It must be very hard for you geting through the day when you can't tell the difference.