Obama's Birth Certificate, page 4
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reply posted on 11-6-2008 @ 10:34 AM by FlyersFan
Originally posted by Masisoar
I wish people would post more meaningful things other than trying to attempt to attack someone for a birth certificate.

A potential POTUS refusing to release his birth certificate is meaningful.
Mr. Change/Hope/Unity ... not exactly forthcoming and open, is he?

Originally posted by Kranil
Obama isn't obligated to provide the American public with any information he doesn't want to.

As already stated, he doesn't HAVE to show the American public.

He's still an American citizen, or have you all forgotten what that means? The man has a right to privacy,

He's running for POTUS, or have you forgotten what that means?
The man does NOT have a right to privacy about things the American people deem necessary to know about.

Barry's missing documents.
Some documents people want to see -

Birth certificate - for reasons stated.
College records - Anyone seen them? Bush and Kerry released theirs, right?
State Senate records - has he done this yet?
.Medical records. – has he done this yet?
Old Passports. – Where’d he go and why did he go there? He was asked to release travel and dates .. but has refused. (as far as I know)

BIG ONE - Application to the Illinois Bar - Did he disclose previous drug use and other criminal activities as required? He stated in his book that he did these things. Did he fess up on the federal documents???

This site lists the questons on the Illinois Bar that people specifically want to know how Obama answered.



[edit on 6/11/2008 by FlyersFan]


reply posted on 11-6-2008 @ 10:55 AM by SpinDropSmile
I wish I could care more about this thread but sadly I'm thinking clearly today so I won't be able to do so...

First off I'm not an Obama supporter but I refuse to not to like the man for the sad (humorous but still sad) threads created as of late about. Criticize his policies his promises and if he is lying please show proof and slam away it will be fun.


As for this thread a couple of words that are being left out of some posters post that are apparently confusing those that are too weak minded to read or research.

Those being --- "To the public"

Here is what I'm trying to say (some get it some do not). To say BHO has not released his Birth Certificate to the publicis probably correct. But, to say that he has not produced a Birth Certificate ever and is hiding the fact that he is not an American Citizen is probably one of the dumbest things I have ever herd. Every republican and Hilary supporter would have literally destroyed him in the last few months and there is a good chance we probably wouldn’t even know who Obama is. The Government.. sorry your government has every single detail we are discussing right now and if there was even an inkling of some kind angle that could have exploited it would have been done long ago.

So Deny Reality it seems to work for most here….

The only party I support is the one with more Kegs and less dudes…

Choose a side, ignore the facts and fight amonst yourselves... What a wonderful world we live in.


reply posted on 11-6-2008 @ 11:02 AM by FlyersFan
Originally posted by Blaine91555
Instead of an answer, I received what amounts to political Spam.
I continue to wait for an answer


Blaine .. you going to the source is great.
But sadly, I think that's all you'll get .. political spam.


This site discusses the Illinois Freedom of Information Act and how some folks are trying to get to see Obama's documents via that way. It also gives a recount of what Obama has used as an excuse as to why he isn't releasing some of his documents. (they are 'incomplete' that's the excuse Kerry used in 2004 )

There seems to be a question about his cell phone records.
But I'm not sure what that's all about ....


reply posted on 11-6-2008 @ 11:12 AM by LLoyd45
Originally posted by sensfan
Muslim sympathiser and Muslim Activist. Those are new terms..at least to me. So Being sympathetic to the muslim religion means what? What's the problem. And being active in the muslim religion, um, ok....that could mean he goes to a mosque to pray. Problem?

It means his sympathies lie more in line with the Muslim religion, than with the best interests of American people.

If you had taken the to time read the article, you'd understand the point I was trying to make. But to simplify things for you..

According to Investor’s Business Daily reports, the older half-brother of the upstart Democrat presidential candidate is a militant Muslim activist in Kenya who has urged his younger brother to embrace his African heritage and supports implementation of Sharia law in a country that, until recently, has been regarded as among the most pro-Western and modern African nations.


Personally, I have no desire to live under Sharia law, Do you?

Or are you insinuating there is something wrong with members of his family being muslim. Are you religious? OMG...that's horrible!

sigh.
There's nothing wrong with his family members being Muslim, as long as they don't pose a threat to our national security due to their familial relationship to our potential US president.

Family associations prevent many Americans from getting jobs that require a security clearance. Should Obama get a "Free Pass" on this as well?

Deny Ignorance people!
Yes, please do! Take off your rosy-colored sunglasses and your blinders, and give this man the hard look he deserves. Sheesh!

[edit on 6/11/08 by LLoyd45]



reply posted on 11-6-2008 @ 11:13 AM by Mirthful Me
Omissions of convenience...

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic

EVEN IF Barack was born in Kenya, he is still a natural-born US Citizen.

Section 1401 defines the following as people who are "citizens of the United States at birth:"
Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years.
...
Anyone falling into these categories is considered natural-born, and is eligible to run for President or Vice President.



There is one word you omitted from your external quote (not to mention a link) and that word is CURRENTLY. That is the law NOW. Barack Hussein Obama was born in 1961 and falls under the auspices of title 1401 that were in effect at the time of his birth.


4. December 24, 1952 to November 13, 1986
If, at the time of your birth, both your parents were U.S. citizens and at least one had a prior residence in the United States, you automatically acquired U.S. citizenship with no conditions for retaining it.

If only one parent was a U.S. citizen at the time of your birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for at least ten years, at least five of which had to be after the age of 16. There are no conditions placed on retaining this type of citizenship. If your one U.S. citizen parent is your father and you were born outside of marriage, the same rules apply if your father legally legitimated you before your 21st birthday and you were unmarried at the time. If legitimation occurred after November 14, 1986, your father must have established paternity prior to your 18th birthday, either by acknowledgment or by court order, and must have stated in writing that he would support you financially until your 18th birthday.

immigration.findlaw.com...(1).html


The issue being "place of birth." There is no public document that definitevely asserts Barack Hussein Obama's place of birth, name, parent's name, and for those so inclined... Religion (personally, I could care less).

More on the issue:

campaignspot.nationalreview.com...

Now all this could be cleared up by simply providing the document in question to the media... There's no privacy issue... So what is the issue for Barry... Errr... Barack Hussein Obama?



[edit on 11/6/2008 by Mirthful Me]


reply posted on 11-6-2008 @ 11:28 AM by SpinDropSmile
reply to post by FlyersFan


Wow a little touchy and I don't even support Obama. Hey I have an idea try reading post that were made by people other than yourself and you might of understood what I'm talking about. I'm sure you'll respond saying "show me these post" and I have that post ready too just waiting to fire back" just wanted to see if you could have come up with something better...

I had no issues with your post(s) other than how boring and uneducated they are but hey it's the internet. My issues were with ones that follow this as gosple.. jump all over it and change it to suit there own purpose.

So if you want to continue doing this I don't have another meeting till 3:00pm but please read the other post in your own thread


reply posted on 11-6-2008 @ 11:41 AM by Buck Division
Here is an interesting related thread, here in ATS, as of today:

Barack Obama recruits staff to fight web smears

I look forward to a lively debate between ATS members and paid staffers of Obama. In particular, I would love to see FlyersFan and Jetxnet team up in an interactive give-and-take against Obama's representatives. That would be amazing!

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I wonder what channels Obama's staffers are going to target? (I would hope ATS would be one of them.) Can ATS management agressively pursue this? Maybe a formal invitation to debate, offered at a high level?

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Edit: One more note. I'm not sure which side would actually win in a debate like that (ATS conservatives vs. Obama staffers), it could go either way. But I am absolutely sure that the "truth" would win, at some important level.

[edit on 11-6-2008 by Buck Division]


reply posted on 11-6-2008 @ 11:58 AM by Blaine91555
reply to post by FlyersFan


Not answering my question is just as revealing as an answer. It is a window into his character and the character of the people around him.

I'm assuming the Spam was automatic and I'll patiently await a reply to the question.

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