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Originally posted by Lasheic
The Big Bang theory doesn't postulate that the universe and everything within just *poofed* into existence. We just don't know what happened before the Big Bang.
There's really no way we can tell at this time, so it's usually just glossed over as an unanswered question. However we have observed that the universe is expanding at a phenomenal rate. So if it's expanding, then it must have been smaller in the past. Go back far enough, and it becomes a singular point.
That's all, really.
Originally posted by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal
The big bang theory is not science.
The big bang theory is in fact another mechanism of creationists and the religious.
Physics directly refutes and contradicts this scenerio in stating that energy is eternal; neither created nor destroyed. Eternity is also not only a measure of time, but a measure of space, since space-time are one. Space had no beginning and will have no end. Time had no beginning and will have no end, and energy permeates and is space/time.
Originally posted by atlasastro
So are you saying that Eternity is measurable.
I never knew that. So you are also saying that Eternity is the same as physical matter.
Tell CERN that physics refutes that senario. As i believe they just spent a cool 8 billion to see what happened just after the big bang...ummm....which isn't even science according to you. Another creationist conspiracy has even got hold of CERN now hey.
I have no doubt that physics refutes alot of things, but it also contradicts itself. I remember that it was physics who believed at one stage that it was impossible to be both a particle and a wave. If physic as you say states energy is eternal, neither created nor dstroyed.....what caused it to become matter
Thought you might like this though....although you probably have read them or similar....interesting stuff.
www.intentblog.com... a blog but an interesting one.
Your only answer is another question. Atleast you did'nt make something up. Which is what we are talking about.
What makes you think it's a who and not a what?
What we have is a description, not a partial answer. The big bang describes how the universe came into being, not what or who caused it. Or why?
We don't know what came before the Big Bang. Big Bang theory is a partial answer, yes, but a partial answer is better than no answer, or an outright false answer.
Then it also does not matter that others say that G*D did not cause it. As science cannot prove what caused the big bang or the Abiogenesis(spontaneous rehash) of life.
As it is now, it doesn't matter what you say did it. There is no solid evidence to support any supposition for what came before.
Science makes stuff up all the time. Look at the history of science. It has an idea, it is accepted...it becomes dogma....someone else comes along with a better idea....it is then accepted over the previous theory. This is the pattern of evolution in the thinking of scientific theory and reasoning. At the time all previous theories thought that had proof to support their theories. But i am ok with that as that is the nature of life and progress.
Again, a misunderstanding. Science does not just make stuff up. Because of that, there is no answer to this question. Yes, logic dictates that something must have come before the Big Bang to create it - but just because we don't know what it is, is no reason to craft baseless fables and stories which we have no way of proving one way or the other.
So if they give non life all of a sudden emerging as Life a fancy name it is science and therefore truth. OK. If religion does it, it is a fable and a story.
Life didn't "just appear". Read up on Abiogenesis. Nobody is claiming magic except for the creationists.
The current state of abiogenesis is summarised by Klause Dose:
More than thirty years of experimentation on the origin of life in the fields of chemical and molecular evolution have led to a better perception of the immensity of the problem of the origin of life on Earth rather than to its solution. At present all discussions on principle theories and experiments in the field end in stalemate or in a confession of ignorance.
Klause Dose, "The Origin of Life: More Questions than Answers," Interdisciplinary Science Review 13 (1998), 348.
No, you assume how i say it. You need to poof a sense of humour into existence as i said the above in jest.
You say that as if it's discovery has anything at all to do with validating or invalidating god.
I know, which is why i threw in the god particle reference as i know it irks alot of scientists. See my comment on sense of humour for futher reference.
Peter Higgs is himself an atheist, and disproves of this terminology due to it's misleading nature.
Save the lectures please. My comments are on what i believe are similar claims from both the science and religious camps. God poofed universe and life into existence, Science says there was a big bang, and then stuff, and then out of all the stuff life just suddenly emerged when it was eletrocuted while in a puddle. One group says stuff just happened, and then the other side says the same thing.....oh but hang on,abiogenesis is science, so its not a made up idea or theory that we can't really prove,but it is science. God is a made up Idea and a theory that we can't really prove....is he science too.
Further, even were it to somehow validate the existence of a god - who's to say it would be the Christian god? The Hindu God? The Native American's Great Spirit? Who's to say it would be ANY of them, and then - how would you validate WHICH God it is?
can evolutionists difinitivley state there is no god or god didnt create the world and all that reside here?
can the creationists difinitivley state that god is the begining and the end of all life on earth?
i heard a quote once i cant remember who said it originally "Science is nothing but an organised system of ignorance" and that is very true.