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Creationists - Explain this please

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posted on Jun, 27 2008 @ 03:48 AM
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Originally posted by Eyemagistus
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Sounds like you are on the verge of an aneurysm now because you still can't explain where Cain and Abel found wives, and didn't even have the basic animal instinct of avoiding incest.


It sounds that way? tell me smart guy,, what exactly makes it "sound" that way" ??

Share with us, the post you may quote where I had even mentioned cain and abel?

Can you ??

Share with us the part about Noah and the arc where is that post?

Then,, if you would be so kind, show us how you trumped me again with the one about God and Bacteria. Just BRING IT

You can't can you.

Nope. because like most of your monosyllabic diatribe, you have imagined in some quasi drug induced manic episode, I never had any such dialogue with you. So, Show us all your staggering Superior intelligence, your clever repartee whence you first made your request where I obliged an answer to the question I am on on the precipice of a brain hemorrhage?

Share with us eyemascara, the exact quote your desperate need for my approval has you reduced to calling me retard three times only because I have not responded to you and your delusional acrimonious antagonism.

You have been hallucinating dialogue between us and finally you have painted your self in a corner.

You make things up because you are just like your Brother.

You know it, and I know it.



How many magical conspiracy do-overs do you need anyways?


Sorry, punctuated equilibrium, feathered dinosaurs, piltdown man, java man, Colorado man, junk DNA, Haekel's embryos, Darwin's finch's, the peppered moths, are all more elaborate machinations of the Machiavellian manipulators of Science called Darwinian evolution. The manufactured evidence and fabricated foibles of fables gone by have much more experience in the art of cookie cutter counterfeit con games and conspiracy.

Me?? I only deal in what is obvious and all around us.

Your lies and ad-hom personal attacks are indicative of someone with so very little to say, the typical Narcissist, so lonely he has to troll those composers of posts he imagines are those he can vanquish but you relinquish instead, your ability to make a coherent statement, reacting emotionally without the benefit of intellect.

AS IF

Your Hero,,

- Con




posted on Jun, 27 2008 @ 04:35 AM
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Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
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I've got a slightly related question. How do intelligent designers rationalise appendicitis?
Its an organ with no know human function (attested to by its removal in millions of people with no ill effect), which HAS clear funtion in other mammals. So its only use in humans is to randomly kill folk.
If it's not a remnant of evolution what the heck is it and why has God put it in us?

Why do you use 30 year old scientific hypothesis? The appendix actually has a VITAL function that only shows up in less than ideal circumstances.

As I understand it, the appendix contains a breeding ground for beneficial bacteria necessary for proper digestion. When a person suffers from diarrhea due to disease, once the body flushes out the disease, the bacteria residing in the appendix are used to repopulate the intestines.

So, yes, in MODERN society the appendix has little function, because we use antibiotics to control disease in the intestines. In societies without those antibiotics, the appendix serves a vital and important function to survival.

If you stop and REALLY think about evolution, there should be NO "junk dna" or "useless appendages". Indeed, it should be anathema to evolutionists. Because, IF IT DID NOT HAVE A SURVIVAL ADVANTAGE, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN BRED OUT OF THE POPULACE. "Survival of the fittest", remember? Obviously, humans that had appendixes were MORE FIT TO SURVIVE than those that didn't, or had malfunctioning ones.

It is the height of hubris to suggest that animals or people have "useless" parts. Not so many years ago, it was thought that tonsils had no use either. Now, we know better. While it may not be VITAL to have tonsils in a first world country, they sure do serve a mightily useful function in a human when they aren't living in a first world country.



posted on Jun, 27 2008 @ 04:41 AM
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Your strategy has failed you. We are now all too familiar with it;

Plan A: Insults and self-Aggrandizement - tout false credentials.

Plan B: Insults and constructions of straw-man argument based on Assumptions - Remind us of your credentials; Tell us we have none.

Plan C: Ignore what was said, respond to assumptions from plan B, more insults, imagine whole conversations and pretend they were real.

Plan D: Ignore Monsanto - They make money from Intelligent Design (therefore they are trying to convert me) - Build More straw men, insult them... Base them on dialogue that never took place. Remind us of your credentials.

Plan E: Resume Insults - belittle religions not mentions in the thread, assume everyone who isn't you is religious, ignore previous facts, proceed with thread derailment - Repeat.

After these fail, you seem to just use a combination - always making straw-man arguments based on assumptions. Constantly ignoring facts about genetic manipulation and Companies such as Monsanto...
Then you move on to more religion bashing - but you are the only one who even brings the subject up.... basing your arguments on entirely imagined dialogues.


[edit on 27-6-2008 by doctormcauley]



posted on Jun, 27 2008 @ 04:53 AM
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Originally posted by Eyemagistus
reply to post by Conspiriology
 


Sounds like you are on the verge of an aneurysm now because you still can't explain where Cain and Abel found wives, and didn't even have the basic animal instinct of avoiding incest.
...

As far as we know, Abel didn't have a wife. Cain picked a wife from one of his sisters, as did Seth. Their children picked spouses from their cousins, which still happens today in some cultures (with very little in the way of genetic repercussions, if I may add)

As far as the "animal instinct of avoiding incest", you haven't been around any animals at all, have you? Animals don't have an "instinct for avoiding incest" as any farmer can tell you. HUMANS have to separate those related animals to avoid them interbreeding.

Indeed, humans also use interbreeding (incest, if you will) to strengthen certain genetic traits that are desired in animals. For examples of this, research how the Doberman Pincher or German Shepard were created (those breeds are less than 125 years old)

Besides, the bible (i.e., God) didn't put limits on incest in the very beginning for two simple reasons: one, genetic flaws weren't in abundance at that time, and two, there were no other humans to copulate with.

You can say what you want about Christianity, but it DOES have this going for it: It is logically and internally consistent. The same thing cannot be said about some scientific "theories".



posted on Jun, 27 2008 @ 04:57 AM
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Thanks for the info... but the conversations about that subject were imagined, and never took place except in the mind of Eymagistrus... he uses them to derail the thread by implying that anyone who questions him is trying to convert him and therefore believes in God, six days, Adam & Eve etc.

A Totally fabricated reality; The bane of this thread.

[edit on 27-6-2008 by doctormcauley]



posted on Jun, 27 2008 @ 07:53 AM
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Originally posted by sir_chancealot

Besides, the bible (i.e., God) didn't put limits on incest in the very beginning for two simple reasons: one, genetic flaws weren't in abundance at that time, and two, there were no other humans to copulate with.

You can say what you want about Christianity, but it DOES have this going for it: It is logically and internally consistent. The same thing cannot be said about some scientific "theories".


Thank you for that post nevertheless. You would think a Scientist as eyemongrel would have just assumed that is what would have to be done. Yes you are correct about the genetic flaws being at a minimum. Adam was 120 years of age when seth came into being.

doctormcauley has told you the truth and his listed assessment of eyemonkey amateur skills of debate are dead on accurate

- Con



[edit on 27-6-2008 by Conspiriology]



posted on Jun, 27 2008 @ 06:34 PM
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The reason discussions with ID and creationist believers always devolve into chaos, is because they must maintain total contempt for the principles of logic and reason in their arguments, just to hang on to the miracles and magic their beliefs require. They can't even propose a single science experiment to demonstrate what they believe!

Sure, science is full of blind alleys and mistakes. That is how evolution and real knowledge works! The difference is that science learns from it. Creationists can never afford to admit any mistakes and haven't learned anything new since the very beginning.

Please, study the history of Alchemy. Science evolved from it because religion failed completely. They diligently tried to re-create magical spells and miracles by trying to interpret religious texts as esoteric recipes containing hidden truths and utterly failed. Matter was not animated with spirit after all and what eventually became of their careful notes and observations, was the precursor to metallurgy and chemistry. Now accused as being the tools and methodology of atheism.


Originally posted by Conspiriology

Share with us, the post you may quote where I had even mentioned cain and abel?
Can you ??



You have questions regarding adam and eve or sarcasm which ever but I find it rather interesting the Book of Genesis and enoch has already explained who these people are as the anunaki and niburu who had created a hybrid life form mentioned in the Bible and the Mayans as the Nephilm ...

The Nephilim were mythical GIANTS. Ever seen real full-blood Mayan's today? Giants could not have fit in those ruins.
Every site from antiquity that mentions a race of giants, corresponds precisely to a major fossil deposit.
Pre-historic giants were dinosaur fossils!

The Anunnaki and Nibiru ARE PLANET X!

There are a number of planets or planetary bodies whose existence is not supported by scientific evidence, but which are occasionally believed to exist by pseudoscientists, conspiracy theorists or certain religious groups. Some were proposed early in philosophical history, and perhaps belong more to protoscience than pseudoscience, while others were formed in direct conflict with current scientific consensus.



I never claimed to know much about that stuff, ...

Now you are finally starting to make sense. You had never even heard of the Wedge document before! You don't know squat about the real agenda of the ID movement.
Obviously, I can't quote the relevant topics I keep bringing up that you keep ignoring because you have no intelligent answers.
Modern medicine works because evolution is a demonstrable fact to sane people.



Tell ya what hot shot, ... meet me there in the statistics Faculty area ...
... I never said I was a faculty member I said I would meet you there. ... and YOU DID think I belonged there...

Because meeting at Starbucks would have sounded so lame.
If I was trying to deceive you, I would have said I was in biology not solar energy. I dare you to look up that solar company.


[edit on 27-6-2008 by Eyemagistus]



posted on Jun, 27 2008 @ 06:55 PM
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You don't know much about wild animals, do you? Wild animals definitely have instincts against incest. Farm animals have lost most of theirs.
The idea that Noah's ark could have held even two of every animal is simply preposterous, unless you need magic and miracles to explain what you believe. That is not allowed in science.
If every animal began from only two, the effects of inbreeding would have made them all extinct. Just like people. Any wildlife biologist will tell you that two animals are not a sustainable population.

At least have the integrity to admit that what you believe requires abandoning logic.



posted on Jun, 27 2008 @ 07:04 PM
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Why stop with Monsanto? Science itself is Intelligent Design!

You really don't get it, do you? ID is about intelligence before knowledge.
Opposable thumbs is all you need to account for defective genes surviving in humans. Why do you need to make everything so unnecessarily complicated with fictional planets and solar systems? Look up Occam's Razor.


Originally posted by Conspiriology

Don't pay any attention to this liar doctormcauley, he can't follow the discussion and thinks this is some flame forum for telling people where to masturbate and calling them retards is all he knows how to do.

Sad is what it is

really quite

sad

- Con

We certainly agree on that, Con-man!



posted on Jun, 28 2008 @ 01:19 AM
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Originally posted by Eyemagistus
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Because meeting at Starbucks would have sounded so lame.
If I was trying to deceive you, I would have said I was in biology not solar energy. I dare you to look up that solar company.


[edit on 27-6-2008 by Eyemagistus]


ha ha you still here ! HA HA YOu dunno when to quit do ya liar.

Look liar rather then repair all the mis quoted, edited BS you have there and argu with you the science you know Jack Squat about much less that of a Scientist, try somewhere else, YOU GOT BUSTED!

Got it! YOU LIED OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND YOU STILL ARE

Here see this!


Because meeting at Starbucks would have sounded so lame.


You didn't even know about that till AFTER you told me you know longer live in AZ just so I couldn't find out you are a scamming 14 year old kid.

Further more showing you the data I suggested foro you to see at ASU West is NOT SERVED AT STARBUCKS!

I don't know why you even bother, no one buys your BS or your mis represented edited quotes, dialogues that never happened and the lies upon lies.

Pathetic

- Con


[edit on 28-6-2008 by Conspiriology]



posted on Jun, 28 2008 @ 01:44 AM
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Originally posted by Eyemagistus
reply to post by doctormcauley
 


Why stop with Monsanto? Science itself is Intelligent Design!

You really don't get it, do you? ID is about intelligence before knowledge.
Opposable thumbs is all you need to account for defective genes surviving in humans. Why do you need to make everything so unnecessarily complicated with fictional planets and solar systems? Look up Occam's Razor.


Originally posted by Conspiriology

Don't pay any attention to this liar doctormcauley, he can't follow the discussion and thinks this is some flame forum for telling people where to masturbate and calling them retards is all he knows how to do.

Sad is what it is

really quite

sad

- Con

We certainly agree on that, Con-man!


Hey guy if your junk was so great why do they have to resort to lies and fraud, manufactured evidence? You are easily impressed but even more easily fooled, Occams Razor HA HA HA what, ya found that one after you figured out it wasn't the thing with the five blades to shave your legs smoother than ever before.

- Con



posted on Jun, 28 2008 @ 06:46 PM
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If you had read any of my posts on other threads like you said, you would have seen that I said I had left AZ a few years ago. You stopped when you thought you found some irrelevant mud to sling because you could no longer argue on the merits.
If I thought I would have to deal with such juvenile tactics here, why would I ever have mentioned my brother at all? I made the mistake of being too honest, that's all.
Your chronically bad spelling and grammar are the swollen hemorrhoids on your intellectual ass that give you away.
You keep telling me that I don't know the Bible, but you can't even tell us anything about Adam's first wife, or where his sons found wives, or how all those animals fit on the ark without resorting to magic and miracles.
How about telling us something about Alchemy, or the origins of science? Do you believe every word in the Bible is true just because you were told it was true? Your two holiest days, Xmas and Easter have nothing whatever to do with Jesus.
Dec. 25 is the first day the sun appears to change direction after the WINTER SOLSTICE. Easter is a different date every year because it is the first Sunday, after the first FULL MOON, after the SPRING EQUINOX. But astrology is evil.

Look. Just stop and think for yourself for a minute. Consider all of the rampant, outrageous character defects you impute to all the professionals in the field of evolution science and all the related sciences that corroborate it. All the so called "lies, fraud, manufactured evidence," etc. that you need to believe in so that evolution is a "myth."
Do you think those same defects of character did not exist during the time the Bible was being created and before? Literacy among commoners was outlawed for chrissake! At least there is transparency in science.

If you knew anything about the sky, or history, then you would understand that there is
nothing

original

about
Christianity.









[edit on 28-6-2008 by Eyemagistus]



posted on Jun, 28 2008 @ 10:58 PM
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Originally posted by Eyemagistus

If you had read any of my posts on other threads like you said, you would have seen that I said I had left AZ a few years ago. You stopped when you thought you found some irrelevant mud to sling because you could no longer argue on the merits.


Was that before or after you started calling people retarded? Or was it after the nit picking you obsessed with while your so called grammar is so full of peronal insult then you wonder why I don't answer your questions?

Why SHOULD I, why would ANYONE. You're abrasive, combative, and generally insulting well past the TC. I haven't alerted and thats the only reason your posts are still up. I kind of think it will make a good example in the future. Other than that I have no reason or interest in answering you so don't flatter yourself thinking I can't. I just won't and don't need your approval. What you think of me is none of my business.

If you got a problem with that TUFF!

You simply aren't worth the exercise to me moreover you are a knowitall who has his mind so made up I got no interest in talking to someone like that and confuse them with the facts and facts are something YOU AIN'T GOT JACK.

You lie you make things up and you create more strawman arguments than I have ever seen anyone make in a thread, you post chats we never had and the ones we have you have mis represented, edited out and outright changed adding things I never said about discussions we never even had claiming some cheap victory for you because you are apparently that desperate for attention. You cheaply enhance your ego by belittling others and if you got nothing to sink your fangs into, you attack nit pick spelling errors or grammar making such a big deal out of it that half a dozen posts later you are still talking about it. NO ONE CARES GUY

no one is starring your posts with accolades of your work or your opinions.

You are a troll plane and simple now get off my neck troll. I won't discuss ANYTHING with you the moment you lost my respect. Hell I still debate with madnessinmysoul and as much as we disagree he never blew it like you did. Now I have to put you on ignore just to avoid wasting moments passing over your ignorant posts.

have a nice life son

- Con



posted on Jun, 28 2008 @ 11:30 PM
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Originally posted by Conspiriology

Originally posted by Eyemagistus

If you had read any of my posts on other threads like you said, you would have seen that I said I had left AZ a few years ago. You stopped when you thought you found some irrelevant mud to sling because you could no longer argue on the merits.


Was that before or after you started calling people retarded? Or was it after the nit picking you obsessed with while your so called grammar is so full of peronal insult then you wonder why I don't answer your questions?

Why SHOULD I, why would ANYONE. You're abrasive, combative, and generally insulting well past the TC. I haven't alerted and thats the only reason your posts are still up. I kind of think it will make a good example in the future. Other than that I have no reason or interest in answering you so don't flatter yourself thinking I can't. I just won't and don't need your approval. What you think of me is none of my business.

If you got a problem with that TUFF!

You simply aren't worth the exercise to me moreover you are a knowitall who has his mind so made up I got no interest in talking to someone like that and confuse them with the facts and facts are something YOU AIN'T GOT JACK.

You lie you make things up and you create more strawman arguments than I have ever seen anyone make in a thread, you post chats we never had and the ones we have you have mis represented, edited out and outright changed adding things I never said about discussions we never even had claiming some cheap victory for you because you are apparently that desperate for attention. You cheaply enhance your ego by belittling others and if you got nothing to sink your fangs into, you attack nit pick spelling errors or grammar making such a big deal out of it that half a dozen posts later you are still talking about it. NO ONE CARES GUY

no one is starring your posts with accolades of your work or your opinions.

You are a troll plane and simple now get off my neck troll. I won't discuss ANYTHING with you the moment you lost my respect. Hell I still debate with madnessinmysoul and as much as we disagree he never blew it like you did. Now I have to put you on ignore just to avoid wasting moments passing over your ignorant posts.

have a nice life son

- Con




I agree. The thread peaked long ago.



posted on Jun, 29 2008 @ 06:50 PM
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Methinks the laddies doth protest too much.
I invite anyone to review this thread chronologically before deciding who to believe. There is good reason he didn't hit the Alert.

When you believe every word in Bible must be the absolute, literal truth, there is no end to the absurdities you need to make everything else fit.



posted on Jun, 30 2008 @ 04:29 PM
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dont tell me i know nothing about quantum mechanics ive studied the concepts for quite some time

second in the law of thermodynamics it states "in all energy exchanges, if no energy enters or leaves the system, the potential energy of the state will always be less than that of the initial state." proving that the energy in evolution cannot become more compex but in fact the "common anscestor" would slowly decrease in energy and complexity



posted on Jun, 30 2008 @ 06:03 PM
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Fortunately the second law of thermodynamics is flawed.

When energy is neither gained or lost potential is also neither gained or lost. When the energy of a system is neither gained or lost you have simply the eternal universe.

A neither gaining or losing of energy means either A.) that the energy is eternal and imperishable, or B.) That there is Zero energy, and C.) That both A and B are congruent clauses.

To have energy neither enter or leave a system means that there is no exchange of energy between systems, but rather an evolution of one eternal system's energy since energy can not truly be statically still. The only static state of energy is its constant change, this constant change is its eternal evolution.

[edit on 30-6-2008 by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal]



posted on Jul, 1 2008 @ 06:31 PM
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Originally posted by iesus_freak
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dont tell me i know nothing about quantum mechanics ive studied the concepts for quite some time

second in the law of thermodynamics it states "in all energy exchanges, if no energy enters or leaves the system, the potential energy of the state will always be less than that of the initial state." proving that the energy in evolution cannot become more compex but in fact the "common anscestor" would slowly decrease in energy and complexity


Freaky, indeed! You really have no idea what energy is, do you?
Biological energy comes from metabolic processes which break down chemical energy from food, that originally came from the local star, which will eventually die.
Energy can be accumulated and stored, or you could not have grown.

The first law says that energy can neither be created, nor destroyed.
The second says you can't break even.
The third says you must lose.

We have since discovered that matter and energy are the same thing and can go back and forth, but the laws still hold. Not bad for something discovered decades before we even knew what galaxies were, wouldn't you say?

You have to be careful to understand what the system is. If the universe keeps expanding forever, then energy will keep running down forever.
The jury is still out on whether there is enough dark matter to stop it and collapse it again. If that happens, then it might remain constant. That remains to be seen, but the laws still stand.

By the way it was Georges Lemaitre, a Catholic priest, who first proposed the Big Bang theory. Einstein originally preferred the Steady State theory, but was reluctantly persuaded by the data and praised him for it. Lemaitre even chastised the pope for trying to score political points with it.

If you have found a way around the 2nd law of thermodynamics, then you should have no trouble making a perpetual motion machine to solve the world's energy crisis.

My original statement still stands.



posted on Jul, 6 2008 @ 03:34 PM
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yeah and radio carbon dating has been disproved so you really cant get the exact date just a period of time and you really cant put an exact date on that period either



posted on Jul, 6 2008 @ 03:37 PM
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oh just forget it then

read scott M huse, the collapse of evolution on the matter he explains it better than I

really read it


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