Originally posted by sensfan
First off, thanks for your post.

Secondly, stop telling people to "get off the crack"...that isn't taken lightly here at ATS.

Now, for the videos.

1-st vid. A black spot flying around. Looks and acts like a bird flying, so I say bird. And yes, birds can do loops, and do.

2nd vid. OBVIOUS bird...and yes, you can see it's wings as they flap

3rd vid. Same as first vid...looks and acts like a bird..so....

4th vid. sigh, again....looks and acts like birds.

I'm not gonna bother with the rest. If it looks like a bird, acts like a bird, it's probably a bird. What would make you think otherwise?

why don't you keep your eyes closed next time you watch a ufo vid. That way you can tell yourself its just a bird all the time! If you actually watched the vids you would have seen that the FinalDream vid has objects moving faster than what is possible for birds it is at 15 PROCENT OF REAL SPEED. sigh... An NO there are NOT wingflaps. The objects seem to however be "pulsating" which might give the illusion of wingflaps, you never actually see wings, unless you're watching one of the birds in the vids. As I told another fella, don't watch the birds watch the ufos. Watch the "ufo loop" vid second sequence the blurry objects movement behind tree and TRY INVAIN to tell me where the wingflaps are, not to mention its supersonic speeds.

sorry for the "get off the crack" comment. I didn't realise its severity. =)

Point is max, and I respect that you're here presenting these videos, all the "evidence" you provide is truthfully useless. It can be debated forever but the fact remains that all of the footage you have presented is of tiny blurs which we could never identify. If all of this is real and you are 100% sure these are UFOs, please continue filming your footage, and continue to analyze it. Perhaps at some point you will get a clear shot of the objects. Until then, what you have is nothing more than blurs in a video that could be anything from bugs to captain planet.

All I see are the occasional bird flying by.

My guess is that the reason no-one else saw any UFOs at the time was because they were all about 2mm long ....... aka midges!

Originally posted by Essan
All I see are the occasional bird flying by.

My guess is that the reason no-one else saw any UFOs at the time was because they were all about 2mm long ....... aka midges!

your logic: planes are 2 mm because they move far away

however I believe they send out small machines that fly around I have filmed footage that clearly shows spinning objects that consists of 2 spheres joined together, like two footballs glued together, its size unknown. In that sequence ofcourse a bird is easily excluded.

[edit on 11-6-2008 by maxsightings]

Originally posted by free_spirit
However I didn't see any Ufos, not a single one, not at normal speed or slow motion or frame by frame or whatever, no ufos.

Well, unless you can positively identify the moving blurry dots, which could be anything (I'm going for the bats as someone posted above, personally) then you did indeed see an unidentified object.

The op said

Have a good one and comment pls!

and didn't claim, at least not that I saw, that he had claimed these to be alien craft. It seemed to me he was asking for peoples opinions, and so far all everyone has done is call is 'BS' - which is meaningless unless the claim was specific.

Having said that, bats are very quick and can turn on a dime when catching moths mid flight. But, who knows...





[edit on 11-6-2008 by bloodcircle]

Originally posted by bloodcircle

Originally posted by free_spirit
However I didn't see any Ufos, not a single one, not at normal speed or slow motion or frame by frame or whatever, no ufos.

Well, unless you can positively identify the moving blurry dots, which could be anything (I'm going for the bats as someone posted above, personally) then you did indeed see an unidentified object.

The op said

Have a good one and comment pls!

and didn't claim, at least not that I saw, that he had claimed these to be alien craft. It seemed to me he was asking for peoples opinions, and so far all everyone has done is call is 'BS' - which is meaningless unless the claim was specific.

Having said that, bats are very quick and can turn on a dime when catching moths mid flight. But, who knows...





[edit on 11-6-2008 by bloodcircle]

Well thats completely unfair, because although yes your right he wasnt specific, but ppl have still been giving their opinnons of birds and such, and the op still refuses to listen he just rambles on saying basically we dont know what were talking about and listen to his theory (which by the way read every single bit of this thread, and your explanations do nothing for your defense) by repeatedly saying it over and over and over and over again...this thread acts and feels just like the Dallas UFO thread...and since i havent seen the op of that thread since he was debunked im wondering hmmmmmmmmmmm

Good Day
Skept!cal

Why do hoaxers get so offended when people dont believe them?

these are clearly birds, perhaps some special effects.

Dont be mad that the special effects arent that good... you'll get better...
Just admit your defeat and come back another time when you have more skill at filming and editing videos of birds

Originally posted by Odessy
these are clearly birds, perhaps some special effects.

Dont be mad that the special effects arent that good... you'll get better...
Just admit your defeat and come back another time when you have more skill at filming and editing videos of birds

by what you type here you presuppose that if they are not animations they are real ufos. In other words, this dude saw SOMETHING that didn not look like a bird or insect. Atleast that is what the statement presupposes. And you ppl typing they are only birds.. they are only bats.. Well you fail to get something into your scull, they CAN'T move at those speeds, EVEN though they are fast. And bats aren't blurry with no wings as they pass behind objects. The spinning ufos clearly show they are not bats aswell in my oppinion.

Some ppl just won't believe no matter how hard the evidence is. Yes my material is a little blurry, but hey I have not animated a single sequence everything is as I filmed it, apart from zoom and speed ajustments.

I am not mad I simply go strong on the fact that your bird/bat/insect-theory doesn't hold up. Not a single person has given a logical explanation as to how in the world these objects can be birds or bats or whatever. I have given my theory over and over. Some ppl just take for granted ufos don't exist and for those ppl words nor images won't matter.

Originally posted by Essan
All I see are the occasional bird flying by.

My guess is that the reason no-one else saw any UFOs at the time was because they were all about 2mm long ....... aka midges!

I think the OP was pointing out the strange "cloaked ufo-style" disurbances in the sky in many of his videos (such as the "loop" video, and the one looking out his window in Sweden). It's really hard to see them, since he doesn't point them out, and the occasional bird flying into frame distracts your eyes. They look like distorted blobs against the sky.

HOWEVER...I am NOT a believer in this one. It just seems very strange to me that this guy just points a camera in the sky just in time and in exactly the right place to see these phenomena -- what are the odds.

[edit on 6/11/2008 by Soylent Green Is People]

Originally posted by maxsightings

Originally posted by SkepticPerhaps
In the Sweden 2008 video there is barely visible another object other than what is clearly a bird. I'm not saying it's not a bird, but it is a second object, moves from the left side to about middle then up I believe.

There are a lot of wierd movement in that vid and you never see wingflaps! I have even filmed an object in the night and its colors were red and blue like two spheres on top of each other. The lower one is larger than the sphere on top of it, like it flashed on and off for only 1 frame! Only 1 frame on 1000 frames I discovered this ufo. And no, its not an airplane or helicopter.....

[edit on 11-6-2008 by maxsightings]

First off, I'm pretty sure just about everyone else that's posted in this thread can see flapping.
Could just be an illusion since, as you say, it is going at a very high speed.
Secondly, if you have a video of the 'UFO' at night and its clearly visible why not upload that?
But I'm pretty sure there's about 50 frames a second with high definition.
If the night video you took was also in high definition then that means that it flashes roughly every 1/50th of a second.
If an extra terrestrial spacecraft would light up at all then i doubt it would light once every 1/50th a second. The only reason i could possibly think of for one to have lights in the first place would be so it is visible for other spacecrafts. I can't imagine anything's eyes operating at that kind of speed.
Also, have you ever considered that some of your videos are just a kind of distortion? Just a suggestion.

Deffinately not a space ship! Or UFO! I hate videos like these because they try so hard to make it look believable and to be honest i think its just sad! There is no point in taking UFO Videos unless you are like 10 foot away from one!

Originally posted by Ryan Lloyd
Deffinately not a space ship! Or UFO! I hate videos like these because they try so hard to make it look believable and to be honest i think its just sad! There is no point in taking UFO Videos unless you are like 10 foot away from one!

hehe another presuppose "they try to make it look honest".. in other words if its genuine it must be a ufo. It is genuine every little piece. I'm uploading another video nr 7 which will show the blurry "blobs" clearly moving behind stuff far away. =)

Originally posted by kyle-2302
First off, I'm pretty sure just about everyone else that's posted in this thread can see flapping.
Could just be an illusion since, as you say, it is going at a very high speed.
Secondly, if you have a video of the 'UFO' at night and its clearly visible why not upload that?
But I'm pretty sure there's about 50 frames a second with high definition.
If the night video you took was also in high definition then that means that it flashes roughly every 1/50th of a second.
If an extra terrestrial spacecraft would light up at all then i doubt it would light once every 1/50th a second. The only reason i could possibly think of for one to have lights in the first place would be so it is visible for other spacecrafts. I can't imagine anything's eyes operating at that kind of speed.
Also, have you ever considered that some of your videos are just a kind of distortion? Just a suggestion.

Actually this sequence was filmed on a Casio 12.1 MP camera. It only like 20 frames per second it films in. And in just ONE of these you can see a ufo. I will try to upload it. But since its far away ofcourse its not all that sharp, especially not with a Camera filmfunction..

Originally posted by Soylent Green Is People

Originally posted by Essan
HOWEVER...I am NOT a believer in this one. It just seems very strange to me that this guy just points a camera in the sky just in time and in exactly the right place to see these phenomena -- what are the odds.

[edit on 6/11/2008 by Soylent Green Is People]

well I filmed more ufos today.
I'm uploading another vid it'll be up in a couple hours.

[edit on 11-6-2008 by maxsightings]