Good! Only when people can't buy bread and milk and start marching in the streets will countries begin setting up theiir own biodiesel factories en masse.

Sooner or later the tech for on demand HHO will hit the market as snap on kits to normal internal combustion engines, and then this whole thing will wash away with the water that will fuel us. Or maybe it will take a bit longer, but the people of the world will realise that electric cars can be made with less than 20 parts in their engine+transmission systems, last much longer and are much more efficient, smooth running and quiet than these gasoline dinosaurs we drive. And Nature literally overcompensates with energy, we can make it out of sunlight, store it in batteries, we can burn water, we can cover our cities in solar panels and basically set people free from energy monopolies (of which biofuels could be another one, which is why I don't like them).

It's time to break out of artificial energy scarcity and retool for an economy of true prosperity, free from oligarchy. I for one how decided never to buy a new fossil fuel car, so either the auto industry serves my intentions or I will be buying second hand cars and maintaining them myself at 0 profit for the industry. The decision is theirs. I want either a hydrogen viehicle which comes with its own fuel generation kit or a full electric which I can run off solar panels and charge at home. I need at least 200km autonomy, and ideally 500. I am sure the technology exists to make this happen now, and I'm always shocked at how the autoindustry dresses outdated technology with sexy design and insists on making hybrids and ecotech viehicles dog ugly. Time to get with the times, because if the hydrogen things pan out I'll buy an old(ish) SUV and run it on water

Originally posted by Zepherian
Time to get with the times, because if the hydrogen things pan out I'll buy an old(ish) SUV and run it on water

I exactly told my parents just that of when I get a car. Switch out the gas engine and bring in the water engine. Then I could get the kind of car that I always wanted, without the worry of paying for gas. But rather getting water from a public pool for free.

[edit on 9-6-2008 by Shrukin89]

With a very slight conversion, you can run a diesel engined vehicle off vegetable oil. A converted car would be primarily Veg Oil but will have a diesel start up to warm the Veg oil so it's viscosity is lowered enough to allow the diesel engine to run.

Or, if you don't fancy converting the engine, you could mix the Veg oil with 1/8th part kerosene. That would lower the viscosity enough to run the vehicle without having to employ a diesel powered warmer-upper thingamy.

EDIT: The first cars were designed with veg oil in mind as at the dawn of the 20th century natural oil was a very rare commodity.


[edit on 9/6/08 by stumason]

Very interesting stumason. Veggie oil... It would also less likely freeze up in the very cold weather. Than finding out that your water tank is a giant solid block of ice or solid block of fuel during the winter time. Then you gotta find a way to melt it to get your car running. That's the disadvantage of having a water car. Not only that but water expands when it freezes. Hoping that your water tank won't rupture or anything like that!

[edit on 9-6-2008 by Shrukin89]

Here in Portugal the truck strike is cutting the entry of fuel, there are alot of gas stations getting empty and everybody is rushing to the still full stations to get gas. Also this is also starting to happen in Madrid.

The Lisbon airport is also getting low on fuel, planes are fueling in Oporto airport now.

What? Why are they going on strike now? Gas prices have always been high in Europe though! Why do it now? It is not making much sense!

Simplistic Zepherian! Only thing is it's hard getting everybody to do it. Or they are being lazy, surely the car companies would have to come up with something that could over come the elements of nature. Safety would be my number 1 thing to look at in a car. I would re-inforce my car all around with thick rubber for protection. The second thing that I would look for in a car, would be efficiency.


tpeele sadly the time has come. Oil companies are raking in billions from us, saying that they are running out of oil, but that is all just an excuse to raise gas prices even higher. They'll someday have to ration gas because we rely on gas for heating transportation and many other things. They want us to fear that there will not be enough oil for anybody fairly soon, so what do they do. They'll hike up the price of gas even higher, because supply would be limited and demand will still be as high as ever. It'll also get more people to do something about it and switch to another alternative fuel.

I also think the fuel protests around those areas will likely spark other fuel protests. Because, people who don't have the courage to start up protests, could now join the other people who are protesting while they still can. They are on the same boat like every other person.

The bubble can only get bigger and eventually will burst.







[edit on 11-6-2008 by Shrukin89]