John Kerry the anti christ?

It is also claimed that the antichrist will sustain a fatal head wound and recover. There was a mostly accurate movie on it called 'Omega Code' (I think). It had the guy from Starship Troopers in it.

Is there any point in worrying about who the anti-christ will be? We will know when it happens and we're all screwed anyway...

Unless someone here is planin on assasinating him before he gets his power? (maybe that will be the head wound ).

LoL I've thought about what would happen if he was assasinated before his rise to power. I don't think that'll work. It'll screw up everything that's supposed to happen. All the evils that happen during the Tribulation period needs to happen in order for Jesus to reappear and set up his kingdom.

We're not ALL screwed. Only the ones who end up following the antichrist are screwed. The ones who have faith in God will, if they die, go to heaven and be saved. Or we'll just spend a good amount of years running around and hiding from the NWO. I guess that'll suck too... Yup.

but the antichrist is gonna kill all who dont follow him...

and those who do follow him will receive "the wratch of god"

we're screwed

If you're killed and you are a Christian you will be saved. Some people can look at that in a good way, including me.

Well, it's certainly a sticky situation to be in.

Either way you're getting screwed when the anti-christ comes.

Hey, you guys ever think that maybe there isn't an antichrist? That maybe, just maybe, Revelations isn't fact, that it might not be true? Ever think that it's the writings of a madman or of someone who really likes fiction? Ever think that it's just nonsense in a book?

Why pick the Bible? Why not the writings of the ancient Greeks? Hell maybe the world will end in Ragnarok, maybe the Norse were right. I wonder if people in non-Chrisitan countries sit around fretting over crap in a book written by MEN?

"Is the Prime Minister the incarnation of Shiva the Destroyer?"

[Edited on 3/6/2004 by Flinx]

The Order of the End of the World: As described in Matt.24, Mar.13, and Luc.21.

There are 4 main events, in the words of Jesus himself:

1- The 7 "signs" announcing it: Matt.24:4-14.

2- Abomination of Desolation: Coming of the Antichrist. Matt.24:15-20. (For 3� years.Dan.8, Rev.13)

3- The Great Tribulation: By the Antichrist. Matt.24:21-28. (For another 3� years. Dan.8, Rev.13)

- The "elect" are on it (the Church!), it says it twice!

4- The Second Coming of Christ: Matt.24:29-41.

- He will gather the "elect": Matt.24:34:31
- Like in the times of Noah: Matt.24:36-39.
- The Rapture: Matt.24:40-41. Armageddon
- The Last Judgment: Matt.24: 31-46. The Great White Throne in Rev.20:11-15

The same Chronological Order is shown in Mark 13 and Luke 21, also in the words of Jesus.

5- The 7 Parables.
Matthew adds 7 parables, and Mark and Luke 2, to show us the way to live these times. Matt. 25 ends with the "Last Judgment", one of the most glorious and practical pages of the Bible.

The reign of the Antichrist will last for 7 years, as described in Daniel 8:14 and Revelation 13:5: The "Abomination of Desolation" will last for 3� years, and the "Great Tribulation" for another 3� years. See Duration of the Reign of the Antichrist



1- The 7 "signs" announcing the End (in Matthew 24:4-14):

They correspond to the "7 Seals" of Revelation, and they are called "labor pains" in v.8, coming every time stronger and with more duration.

1- The many "false prophets" that will deceive many, in v.5; it corresponds to the 1st seal, the "white horse" (Rev.6:2). The False Prophets are also mentioned in v.11, and in v.24, during the Great Tribulation.

2- "Wars and rumors of wars" in v.6; it corresponds to the 2nd seal, the "red horse", in Rev.6:3.

3- "Famines" in v.7, corresponds to the 3rd seal, the "black horse" of Rev.6:5.

4- "Earthquakes", in v.7, corresponds to the 4th seal, the "pale green horse" in Rev.6:7.

5- "Persecutions and tortures to the elect", v.9, corresponds to the 5th seal in Rev.6:9-11.

6- "Many will fall away... lawlessness... the love of many will grow cold", v.10-11, corresponds to the 6th seal in Rev.6:12-17... and it is the "apostasy" or "the final rebellion against God" of 2Thess.2:3.

7- "This good news of the kingdom will be proclaimed to the whole world", v.14, corresponds to the 7th seal, in Rev.8:1, the 7 Trumpets!.

8- There are another two signs in the Bible: The Jewish Temple will be rebuilt in Jerusalem, at Mount Moriah (Dan.8:11,Rev.11:2), and the "general apostasy" of 2Thes.2:3, which is the Abomination of Desolation.

It is now the Time of the coming of the Antichrist?: The signs are getting ready... however, the Jewish Temple has not been rebuilt at Mount Moriah, where now stands the Muslim Mosque, the Golden Dome of the Rock.



2- "The Abomination of Desolation" (in Matthew 24:15-20):

This is the Time of Coming of the Antichrist!... and his very first work!.

"When you see the Abomination of Desolation, of which Daniel spoke, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand)...", in Matt.24:15.

When you go to "Daniel", he describes the horrors of this "Abomination" in 4 places: Daniel 8:11-17, 9:26-27, 11:31-32, 12:11.

This Abomination refers to the abolition of the Eternal Sacrifice and the destruction of the Temple and Jerusalem... but Daniel states that "the vision refers to the time of the End" (8:17), and Jesus himself refers us to it in Matt.24:15, and it will be the very first thing the Antichrist will do, as reported here by Jesus.

Paul told us that the Antichrist would sit in the temple as God (2.Thes.2:3-4).

The concept of the abomination of desolation is often spiritualized with explaining it as idolatrous worship established in the hearts of God�s people (His "temple"). But the simplest and more real explanation of all these passages is to see the abomination as the suppression of the eternal sacrifice, now a days only present in Christianity in the Holy Mass.

This "Abomination" in Daniel consists of 5 facts:

1- "Abolished the perpetual sacrifice" (Dan.8:11): And as a logical consequence, if there is no "sacrifice", there will be no "altar", and no "priests" to offer it... this is the main and most important feature, described by Daniel in his four descriptions of the Abomination in the Holy Place.

God established the "eternal sacrifice", which was offered daily as told by the Lord: "every day, two unblemished yearling lambs as a perpetual burning offering" (Num.28:3, Ex.29:42).

If it is "eternal", "perpetual", is got to be present now, and even in Heaven, because it is "eternal":
a- "In Heaven" it is present, as described by John in Rev.5:6: "a Lamb standing as it had been slaughtered"� he is Jesus in the center of the Throne of Heaven, the reason for all the joys and songs of Heaven!.
b- "On Earth", is got to be present also "now", because it is "eternal"� and it is!, as the Lamb of God offered daily in the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass.

2- "Threw down his sanctuary" (Dan.8:11).

3- "Shall destroy the city" (Dan.9:26).

4- "He magnified himself even to the prince of the host" (Dan.8:11).

5- By his deceit he shall make some who were disloyal to the covenant apostatize (an.11:26).

The reign of the Antichrist will last for 7 years, as described in Daniel 8:14 and Revelation 13:5: The "Abomination" will last for 3� years, and the "Great Tribulation" for another 3� years, or 42 months, or 1,260 days (Rev.13:5, 11:2-3, 12:5, Dan.12:11-12). See Duration of the Reign of the Antichrist

John tells us that the Antichrist is already with us (1Jn.4:3), and Paul says that the Antichrist is already at work (1Thes.2:6-8).

The Jews already have this Abomination: They have no sacrifice, no altar, no priests, no temple... as it was prophesied it will happen after the coming of the Messiah! (Daniel 8:11-17, 9:26-27, 11:31-32, 12:11). See Judaism after Christ

For many Protestants this "Abomination" means very little, because they already do not have the "perpetual sacrifice", nor "sanctuary", nor "altar", nor "priests"...

The Orthodox already do not have the "prince of hosts", nor "the city".

Many Catholics may wonder how come the Holy Mass and priests could be abolished... but this already happened partially at the coming of Muhammad when there were 800 Christian bishops in Africa, among them St. Augustine, and in a few years there were reduced to just 5!... the "remnant" always mentions by Isaiah. And when Martin Luther came, in a few years millions of Christians were left without sacrifice, altar, and priests... So, this is what it will happened at the coming of the Antichrist during the Abomination of Desolation, the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass will be abolished, and consequently there will be no need for altars nor priests to celebrate it... and, of course, a "remnant" will be left!.

The reign of the Antichrist, again, will last for 7 years, as described in Daniel 8:14 and Revelation 13:5:
1- The "Abomination" will last for 3� years,
2- And the "Great Tribulation" for another 3� years, or 42 months, or 1,260 days (Rev.13:5, 11:2-3, 12:5, Dan.12:11-12)... the same 3� years of the duration of the ministry of Jesus Christ on earth. See Duration of the Reign of the Antichrist

For the Adventists, the 42 months or 1,260 days are 1,260 years... and right now, for them, all who celebrate Sunday as the Day of the Lord are of the Antichrist, all 2 billion Christians, except them!... but really, nobody adores Luther nor the Pope, not even the Protestants nor the Catholics... and no Protestant nor Pope has ever had the economic authority of the Antichrist of Rev.13:17 so that no one can buy or sell unless he is branded with the name of the Beast... and no one has ever had the political authority of the Antichrist of Rev.13... and honestly, never a Catholic or a Protestant denied the Christ!.

There is no way to translate this 1260 days into 1260 years, as some scholars do invoking Ezekiel 4:6

Well Christians believe it is true, and I am one.

Of course, there's the possibility it's not, so if it is not true then I am going to be a little mad. But mostly glad because then all that bad stuff won't happen

3- The "Great Tribulation" (Matt.24:21-28):

"Then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be" (Matt.24:21).

... So, it shall be a greater tribulation than the Flood at the times of Noah, the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah, the 10 plagues of Egypt...

The "elect", the Church, will be in the Great Tribulation repeats twice: "for the elect's shake those days shall be shortened... false Christs shall deceive the very elect, if it were possible" (Matt.24:22,24).

The "restrainer":

St. Paul talks about "that" or "the one" who restrains the Antichrist to appear, or who withholds him to appear, in 2Thess.2:6-7... and that "restrainer" is Jesus in the Eucharist!... when the Holy Sacrifice is abolished, that will be the Abomination of Desolation, and then the Antichrist will appear with full force with the Great Tribulation!. See Paul



4- The "Second Coming of Christ" (Matt.24:29-49).

"Immediately after the tribulation... they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory" (Matt.24:29-30).

The time of the Second Coming of Christ is "immediately after the Great Tribulation"... Paul says that first will come the man of sin, who is the Antichrist, and the general apostasy, which is the Abomination of Desolation (2Thes.2:3). See Paul.

Jesus tells us several things about this, "His Second Coming":

1- It will be "after the Tribulation"... "Immediately after the tribulation"!: "Immediately after the distress of those days... the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory" (Matt.24:29-30).

2- The next verse, Mat.24:31, says: "And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other"... those of his Church who just passed the Great Tribulation.

3- It will be "like in the days of Noah", says in Matt.37-39: At that time only were saved those who were in the Ark of God, which was the Ark where Noah was, all the other big ships shrunk and the people in them perished... now it will be the same: Only shall be saved those in the Ark of Christ, which is the Ark where Peter is!, or his successor, the Pope... all the other churches shall shrunk, and the people in them shall perish (2Pet.2:5).

4- The "Rapture": "Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left" (24:40-41).

This is the time and order of the "Rapture" described in 1 Thessalonians 4:14-18, 1Cor.15:52... it will be "after" the Great Tribulation.

The essence of the Work of Christ in His Second Coming is "to Judge": The bad ones to Eternal Hell, including Satan, the Antichrist, and his followers, and the good ones to Eternal Heaven... most beautifully described by Jesus himself at the end of His "Sermon of the End of the World", in the "Last Judgment of Matt.25:31-46.

Jesus will come this second time in glory, and he will not come "to save" anybody, but "to judge"... this is the time of salvation!... right now!... do not wait until the Second Coming of Jesus to be saved (2Cor.6:2).

The word Armageddon or Har-magedon is mentioned in the Bible only in Rev.16:16., Then they gathered the kings together to the place that in Hebrew is called Armageddon.
This battle occurs at the Second Coming, which is referred to in the previous verse (Rev.16:14-15).

It is the great final battle between the King of Kings and the trilogy of the Antichrist of Rev.16:13: The dragon, the beast, and the false prophet.

Revelation deals with it again in Rev.17:14, 19:19 (11-21), and 20:8-9... in 4 of the 7 cycles of Revelation, as it is usual in the Book... this last battle appears also in Zech.14, Joel 3, Ez.37, 38, and Psalm 2:2, 'The kings of the earth take their stand and the rulers gather together against the LORD and against his Anointed One'.

But the great battle of Armageddon is never described, only the results, because this Great Battle had already been won by the Lamb at Calvary... and it will be completely effective in your life and mine the day we die... Armageddon is the symbol of the total, complete, and final victory of Jesus in his Church against Satan and his followers, with their total and complete defeat, which is the core of the whole book of Revelation.

St. Paul describes the results of Armageddon this way: "He has delivered us from the dominion of darkness and transferred us to the kingdom of his beloved Son, in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins"... "having canceled the written code, with its regulations, that was against us and that stood opposed to us; he took it away, nailing it to the cross. And having disarmed the powers and authorities, he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross". (Col.1:13, 2:14-15).

Armageddon at the End of the World:

The best account of Armageddon at the End of the World is in Rev.19:11-21:

1- The Preparation:
19:11- I saw heaven standing open and there before me was a white horse, whose rider is called Faithful and True. With justice he judges and makes war.
12- His eyes are like blazing fire, and on his head are many crowns. He has a name written on him that no one knows but he himself... The Loving Savior?
13- He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God... The blood at Calvary.
14- The armies of heaven were following him, riding on white horses and dressed in fine linen, white and clean... it is the Great Multitude of Rev.7:9, already in Heaven... and I shall have also my white horse to be with Jesus, and to visit all the mountains and the deep of the oceans, and the stars, and the atoms...
15- From his mouth issues a sharp sword with which to smite the nations, and he will rule them with a rod of iron; he will tread the wine press of the fury of the wrath of God the Almighty... this the sword of his justice, it is his rod of iron!
16- On his robe and on his thigh he has this name written: King of kings and Lord of lords... as in Rev.17:14.

2- The angel calling to watch the massacre, the great feast of God:
19:17- Then I saw an angel standing in the sun, and with a loud voice he called to all the birds that fly in midheaven, "Come, gather for the great supper of God,
18- to eat the flesh of kings, the flesh of captains, the flesh of mighty men, the flesh of horses and their riders, and the flesh of all men, both free and slave, both small and great."... watch and rejoice the defeat of the flesh, the total defeat of worldly life.

3- The Battle and results of this Armageddon:
19:19- And I saw the beast and the kings of the earth with their armies gathered to make war against him who sits upon the horse and against his army.
20- And the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who in its presence had worked the signs by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped its image. These two were thrown alive into the lake of fire that burns with sulphur.
21- And the rest were slain by the sword of him who sits upon the horse, the sword that issues from his mouth; and all the birds were gorged with their flesh.

3b- The results of Armageddon on Satan, the Beast, and the False Prophet:
And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever (Rev.20:10).

3c- The results of Armageddon those who followed the Beast:
"If anyone worships the beast and his image and receives his mark on the forehead or on the hand, he, too, will drink of the wine of God's fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. He will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment rises for ever and ever. There is no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and his image, or for anyone who receives the mark of his name." (Rev.14:19-11)... Those who worship the beast will join the beast!. (Rev 19:20, 20:15, 21:8).

Your good at cut and paste TrickMaster, but no one has defined what the word AntiChrist means yet so how can any of you say what it is or isn�t.

Thanks for noticing Fiery, I try my best!!!!

Anyway, there has been about 9000 posts on the Anti-Christ and the end times. There is no conspiracy that I see involving John Kerry. Thus, a couple people asked about the order of the end times, so I posted damn near the whole thing. The point is that the Anti-Christ is not known. He or She or It Will be announced to the world.
Anti=Against
Christ=Satan
Think about it.....
Hear is the Catholic Encyclopedias Entry
www.newadvent.org...


[Edited on 6-3-2004 by TrickmastertricK]

Originally posted by TrickmastertricK

Christ=Satan

What I don't understand is how did the word Christ get to mean Satan?

"antichristos" is a combined form of "christos" - Christ - and the prefix anti. One of the renderings of anti would be "against". Christos is plural not singular so the term would be against Christs, plural.
In Genesis, our Creator made man in His image so it would follow that the Anointed Ones (dictionary Christ = Anointed) would be Christos.
That renders the term antichrist as against Anointed Ones.

"Many commentators have found more or less clear allusions to Antichrist in the coming of false Christs and false prophets (Matthew 24:24; Mark 13:6, 22; Luke 21:8), in the "abomination of desolation," and in the one that "shall come in his own name" (John 5:43). "

I am not trying to be an ass, but it refers to your claims in the thread I provided.

The War between christ and satan, the two throughout time have been named hand in hand. Its almost like one doesn't go without the other. Wouldn't you say the opposite of Christ is Satan?


[Edited on 7-3-2004 by TrickmastertricK]

TrickMaster, the website URL is the Catholic Encyclopedia, New Advent, which is an invalid reference because the Catholics cannot violate their religious dogma, all their writings would be to substantiate their dogma not necessarily the truthful facts.

I suggested defining the word AntiChrist before ever pointing a finger at what an AntiChrist could be or could not be.

If you have done your own research and not just read what others have written such as the religionists, you would know that the abomination of desolation is actually a thing, most likely a structure not a plural Christos.

I have defined the word ANTI-CHRIST,

The Abomination of desolation is the destruction of the Temple and Jerusalem which symbolizes the coming of the Anti-Christ. They are two seperate iotas, yet they are intwined. I have done my own research, thank you very much. And if what you say is true about what other people have written about it, then I need pay you no more mind, for you are writing about it. Correct?

I never pointed a finger at a suggestion of who the Anti-Christ is or could be in this thread. If you look back I said He/She or it. I did not start this thread, as I have stated before, I see NO CONSPIRACY as John Kerry as the AC.

I don't know how you incorporated me as saying the Abomination of Desolation and the Anti-Christ are the same thing. You brought up the pluralization of Christ, I pointed it out that False Christs and False Prophets alluding to having a hand in the Abomination of Desolation.

If you want we can debate this.
To Quote Eminem "Give me a one on one, see if I don't F**K you up!"

Lets get ready to rumble.
PS, If nobody has every written anything about these events, we would not be having this conversation, now would we.

Peace
Trick

I really don't think he is the antichrist, antiwar but not antichrist. Kerry marched with Fonda in DC on an anti war rally after coming back from nam.

the anti-christ will be of aribac or jewish decent. He will come to power in about his 30s. Those two things right tthere should tell you hes not the AC.

Originally posted by TrickmastertricK

The Abomination of desolation is the destruction of the Temple and Jerusalem

If you want we can debate this.
To Quote Eminem "Give me a one on one, see if I don't **** you up!"

The Abomination of Desolation is mention in Dan 11:31, Dan 12:11, Mat 24:15 and Mar 13:14. The Abomination of Desolation is a thing that is set up at the time when the daily sacrifice is taken away; it is not the destruction of the Temple or the destruction of Jerusalem. Details are getting twisted.

TrickMaster, this is a discussion but a debate with you, (I assume that was directed towards me) when a discussion results in vulgarity why would I subject myself to even more heated vulgarity?