Does Barack Obama really hate America and is he really racist???

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posted on Jun, 9 2008 @ 08:43 PM
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I just want the best leader for my country,it has nothing to do with American patriotism.I don't want us ending up like Rome and Britain.(the best of the two)



Well, if Obama gets elected, that's where it is no doubt heading. Obama is the new NWO puppet (read about his ties in "Obama and the Bilderbergers (Proof!)" thread.

Put it this way, Obama's lead foreign policy advisor is the chief NWO architect and authored the book "The Grand Chessboard". The objective of NWO is to rule the world with one government. It's great for the 20% of the world's rich population and bad for the other 80% (See my signature link).




posted on Jun, 9 2008 @ 08:59 PM
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My problem with Obama is that he wants to install more taxes. He also wants to do a winfall tax for oil companies which has been tried before by Jimmy Crater and failed miserably. It didn't produce more oil and the oil companies will just add the tax to the cost of the product and pass the cost down to the consumer.

This will also discourage future drilling and research and developement.

He aslo wants to install a free health care for everyone. Ask the French how that is working out for them.

His ideas have all been tried in Europe and look at how well that has turned out for them. NOT!

[edit on 9-6-2008 by Orlan Zvezda]



posted on Jun, 9 2008 @ 09:18 PM
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Originally posted by MasterDebater
He WAS a Muslim when he was younger and converted to christianity in his 20's (or it might have been 30's)


Do you have a source for this?

Snopes


No evidence supports a claim that Obama is currently, or has ever been, a Muslim (radical or otherwise)
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To be clear, Senator Obama has never been a Muslim, was not raised a Muslim, and is a committed Christian...




get the fact right


Exactly.



posted on Jun, 9 2008 @ 09:19 PM
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Yea I just posted on that thread of yours.(Great thread)So what do you think McCain would bring to the table if elected?



posted on Jun, 9 2008 @ 09:22 PM
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This will also discourage future drilling and research and developement.


We need to get away from oil anyways,new drilling is NOT the answer.We have had the technology for Hydrogen Cells for a while,we need an alternative to oil!

Also what is wrong with the French helthcare system?(I ask cause I really don't know?I guess I am ignorent,lol)Canada seem to be working it out fine.



posted on Jun, 9 2008 @ 09:44 PM
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Originally posted by jkrog08
We need to get away from oil anyways,new drilling is NOT the answer.We have had the technology for Hydrogen Cells for a while,we need an alternative to oil!

Also what is wrong with the French helthcare system?(I ask cause I really don't know?I guess I am ignorent,lol)Canada seem to be working it out fine.

We are years away from a hydrogen cell. The quicker and more realistic fix for cost of oil is more domestic drilling, then we could set the price at a happy medium. We wouldn't be dependant on foreigners to set it.

The French health system is a mess. Sme people are told they didn't take care of their body properly or ate too much so they are denied health carebecause there is only so much they can do. The people that pay for their own health care are betteer off in France.

I have heard that expectant mothers cross over to the US to have their baby because the Canadian system sucks. No offense to the Canadians this is just something I have heard dunno if it is correct.



posted on Jun, 9 2008 @ 09:46 PM
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Found a story on the Canadian mommy thing. Dunno how true it is, it is from Fox news afterall.

www.foxnews.com...



posted on Jun, 9 2008 @ 09:51 PM
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Here is some info on the French health system.good reading if you have the time. We definetely do not want to go down this route. The French proved that it dosn't work.


In France, physicians (and other professionals) generally work in two kinds of environments: public hospitals and private practices. 25% of physicians work in public hospitals (another 11% work in other types of public establishments). They are in essence public servants and paid an amount that is fixed by the government. Today, many physicians feel that the prestige of working in a hospital does not compensate for the trying working conditions. 56% of physicians work in private practices, and are paid on a fee-for-service basis.

www.medicalnewstoday.com...

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posted on Jun, 9 2008 @ 09:53 PM
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More from the same article.


The current situation is particularly strained: negotiations between doctors' unions and the funds have stalled, leaving the specialists without a convention and isolating the GP union which signed a convention in 1998. The root of the problem is that private practice physicians are strongly opposed to the setting caps on outpatient expenditures. They have always had a great deal of freedom over where they set up shop, how they practice, and what they prescribe (compared to their counterparts in other countries). Yet the bulk of their income is paid by public funds. This contradiction has become more glaring as the concerns about soaring health expenditures grew.


www.medicalnewstoday.com...



posted on Jun, 10 2008 @ 09:19 AM
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Yes Obama is a racist. Just look at his crazy preacher and his wife. I mean 2 prominent figures in his life are racist. If he wasn't racist he would not collaborate with those people



posted on Jun, 10 2008 @ 09:33 AM
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Originally posted by marg6043


Opinions and talks about issues is not in any way to be taken as the basis to deem somebody a racist or hater.


Please explain the above statement, which on the surface appears idiotic.

Imagine a person is talking about the issue of black reparations. Suppose he says something like, "You know... typical blacks are lazy and rely on welfare and government programs anyway, so this means they don't deserve reparations."

According to you, this shouldn't be taken as the basis that the person making such statements is racist?

Regarding Obama, he described his grandmother as a "typical white person" with "bred" in experiences. This is the definition of racism.

My God, I honestly can't believe how convoluted this has become. All Geraldine Ferraro said was Obama wouldn't have gotten as far as he did if he was white, and she was called on by the Obama campaign to be denounced and "censured" by the Clinton campaign. Obama labels his own grandmother as a "typical white person" and he gets a free pass.

And then there's the "bitter" comments in which Obama explains why white working-class voters were hard to win over. Again, Obama paints them with a broad stroke, implying that THEIR racism is the reason they didn't vote for him.

Contrary to your suggestion, I will continue to basis my judgment on what people say about issues.



posted on Jun, 10 2008 @ 12:56 PM
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Why are so many white people so paranoid? they always seem to think people of a different color are threats to them unless the people are in some kind of servitude state to them.

Illegal immigration is okay until the numbers rise in proportion to whites then it's something that must be dealt with...immediately!

Blacks and Hispanics are okay as long as they safely reside in the ghetto.

People, get ahold of your fears and stop seeing capable minorities as threats. Doing this causes you to perpetrate heinous acts against other races and cultures. These other groups really should be afraid of paranoid white people.

It's really annoying that this issue of Obama hating America or being anti-American comes up so often. People should understand that even if one should criticize events in American history, that doesn't make them Anti-American. There are many people in this country that have been adversely affected by American policies, that doesn't mean they would try to sabotage the country should they find themselves as Commander-in-Chief.

Commentaries on Obama strategies for taxes and the war and the like are legitimate, but fears of Obama's religious persuasion, and sentiments regarding America have no basis here and reek of homegrown paranoia.



posted on Jun, 10 2008 @ 02:46 PM
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Regarding Obama, he described his grandmother as a "typical white person" with "bred" in experiences. This is the definition of racism.


Oh BS.

You're taking one line the man said out of context, and spinning it so it means something else.

Don't you have even the slightest bit of integrity?
You can't really believe this horsepoop...

Go talk to your bosses, wherever they may be, tell them they need more convincing talking points, because nobody's going to buy this crap



posted on Jun, 11 2008 @ 02:40 PM
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Is Obama racist?

Yes. My reasons for believing so: Attending the same church for 20 years whose creed teaches separatism between blacks and whites is one reason. Having Rev. Wright as a spiritual mentor is another. Some have said "Show me proof other than the audio clips you heard on mainstream radio!" I say, what other proof than that should I need? What Wright said in those few seconds is pretty bad. Would it not be logical to assume that the content of his sermons up to that period have contained similar hate speech? Yes! Would it be totally ludicrous to blow off those few seconds of sermon as "anomalous"? Yes!

Also, Obama has publicly shown he's able to cast judgment on people that he's never met! Look at his comments with regard to "Bittergate" (calling people from small towns bitter, clinging to their guns and religion).

Does Obama Hate America?

I think he is largely influenced by what people around him believe, namely his wife, pastor Wright and his corporate associates. His wife openly admitted that she has never been proud of America until people started endorsing Obama. Pastor Wright openly said "I say God damm America!" in his sermon. He admitted in the last press conference that he believes the AIDS virus was engineered by the U.S. government as a means to control the black population. I can't tell if Obama himself hates America. But I think if he loses the election in November, his true colors and those of his wife will be seen.

Does Obama want to Destroy America?

To me this is a huge stretch that I can't buy. We already know that Obama is linked to corporations. The destruction of America would mean the destruction of the U.S. economy and a major artery to his income. I can't see him wanting to bite off the hand that feeds him.



posted on Jun, 11 2008 @ 03:58 PM
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Originally posted by jamie83
Racist? Yes.


"... .. The point I was making was not that my grandmother harbors any racial animosity. She doesn't. But she is a typical white person who, uh, if she sees somebody on the street that she doesn't know there's a reaction that's been been bred into our experiences that don't go away and that sometimes come out in the wrong way and that's just the nature of race in our society. We have to break through it..." - Senator Barack Obama



Not only does he call his grandmother a typical white person, he claims her reaction has been "bred" into her.

Not sure if that's racist? Try switching "black person" for "white person" and talk about what black people have had "bred" into them and see how fast you'd be labeled a racist.


I fail to see how this is racist. Her reaction that was bred into her is the result of living in a diverse society that recognizes the 'racial differences'( as most people see them as).

Can you go into detail on how this could be considered racist?



posted on Jun, 11 2008 @ 07:20 PM
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I have to agree with you,we can't ignore the obvious variety human beings on this planet.We can't 'act like there aren't any differences. Yea there is a natural reaction in any sentient being on this planet.



posted on Jun, 11 2008 @ 07:30 PM
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The point I was making was not that Michelle Obama harbors any racial animosity. She doesn't. But she is a typical black person who, uh, if she sees somebody on the street that she thinks and refers to them as Whitey, that's been been bred into Michelle's experiences by sitting in on Pastor Wright's racist radcial Inflammatory anti-American sermons.



posted on Jun, 11 2008 @ 07:48 PM
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You know what....... I'm on the cusp of being an Obama supporter. I can't remember the last time I saw so much crud scraped up and twisted and twirled to produce so little.

What does he stand for? I don't know.

What does he believe?

What are his plans for the nation?

How does he view the future of foreign policy?

How does he intend to repair the dismal state of the US economy?

Is he willing to drill for oil offshore U.S. until a more viable fuel can be produced?

What is his stance on dealing with Iran and their pursuits of nuclear weapons?

How does he view the pursuits of NASA?

What does he think are the most pressing issues of societal U.S.?

What is his final stand on illegal immigration?



These are the things I want to find out about Senator Obama. I could care less about the whackamoles that come out of the woodwork claiming he was born a woman, is a homosexual, does crack, or whatever. If there were proof of any of these things, it would have been presented and he'd probably be toast (except for the ummmmmm..... born a woman thing. I'm not sure I'd care about that either.)

So what's the point? PICK YOUR @#$@#$ candidate and expound upon THEIR virtues, their ideas and programs and policies. I personally think Senator Obama runs a tad light on many on the issues that are important, but how the [supressed grunt] do we know if we aren't presented with them?

Thank you for the space to rant. I'm not easily frustrated, but the slap-and-go threads have been pulling my chain lately.



posted on Jun, 11 2008 @ 08:48 PM
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With all the disinfo and spin being offered here on ATS and in the media, you are sadly correct that there is almost no discussion of either candidate's actual platform.

Fortunately both campaigns have constructed big fancy websites describing their positions and platforms. And yeah, they're full of spin too, but at least they discuss the issues, unlike pretty much any election-related thread I have seen on ATS yet


Anyway, here is Barack Obama's platform, and here is John McCain's platform.

Both of them, once you do a bit of reading, are actually fairly specific about what they hope to do as President.

Not that you'll ever see any of it seriously discussed on here, but there it is



posted on Jun, 11 2008 @ 09:03 PM
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Originally posted by xmotex

Oh BS.

You're taking one line the man said out of context, and spinning it so it means something else.

Don't you have even the slightest bit of integrity?
You can't really believe this horsepoop...

Go talk to your bosses, wherever they may be, tell them they need more convincing talking points, because nobody's going to buy this crap


No, this is not B.S. nor did I take anything out of context. The precise context of Obama's "typical white person" comment was in the context of him trying to explain his previous comments which implied his white grandmother was a racist.

In fact, Obama's "typical white person" comment is FAR WORSE when taken IN context. Obama's first statement about his grandmother saying things that made him cringe referred on to his grandmother. His explanation expanded this to describe that his grandmother's racist attitudes were typical of all white people.

It's Obama's comments that are racist, and contrary to your misguided opinion, millions of people are put off by him. Millions. Including millions of white middle-class Democrats who he repeatedly degrades and insults. If you doubt this please review the results of the primaries that took place after Obama's "bitter" comments.





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