Over 40 Million Dead Babies - Will Either Obama Or McCain Stop The American Abortion Holocaust?, page 2


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reply posted on 15-6-2008 @ 02:54 PM by slackerwire
Originally posted by Yossarian
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Interesting. If you or your partner (not sure if you are a guy or a girl) became pregnant and the baby was aborted for those reasons, you'd be ok with that?


I'm a guy, the wife and I decided to have exactly 1 baby, he was born in December, and there won't be any further children in our future. Ever.

Yes, I believe more abortions are needed for population reasons.


reply posted on 15-6-2008 @ 03:12 PM by Hal9000
So is this really about abortion? Or are we just finding another way to slander Obama? From the sound of some of you, he is to blame for the whole thing.

Originally posted by FlyersFan
Story here It seems Obama approves of infanticide. Or at least, that's what is alleged. He doesn't support the Born Alive Infant Protection Act.

Even in this article, she blames him for that bill not passing.

Stanek wrote that, “in Illinois, the state version of BAIPA repeatedly failed, thanks in large part to then-state Sen. Barack Obama. It only passed in 2005, after Obama left.”




With all the political crap aside, I have to agree with the OP in that abortion is just wrong. It isn't a religious thing either, IMHO. It is the humane thing to do. If Obama was truly to blame for allowing abortions, then yes he would be wrong.

I think that adoption is the way to solve the problem. There are so many people that are waiting for adoptions, it is inexcusable. What I find to be contradictory about our laws, is that contraceptives are not allowed to be sold to anyone under 18.

All in my opinion.


reply posted on 16-6-2008 @ 01:11 AM by dreams n chains
reply to post by MandM



Would you rather be supporting 40 million babies or do you want 40 million babies who are unloved and despised by their parents growing up into 40 million hateful adults because of the horrible lives they've lead? Or is your vision one of "they'll all be adopted by loving parents and live happily ever after on this already overpopulated earth"?

Don't you think there is already enough child abuse, starvation and lack of freedoms in this world? Now you want to inflict worse on more innocent lives? Anti-abortionists need to be realistic for once.


reply posted on 16-6-2008 @ 05:24 AM by dawnstar
one women who really needed the abortion she was denied...

news.bbc.co.uk...

by the way, we have lots of babies up for adoption, and yet, they don't seem good enough, people are still going halfway across the world to find better babies.

and no, neither mccain or obama will do anything about the abortion laws, just like bush and other conservative officials didn't do anything meaningful with them. they just passed a bunch of legislation that was later struck down by the supreme court because they didn't consider the health risks to the mother. there is no way on this earth you can say that a few cells in a women's has the right to kill or permanantly disable it's host. so, you are stuck with what we have till they can come up with some legislation that protects that host from death and disability.


reply posted on 16-6-2008 @ 06:07 AM by xtr3m3paranoia
As a proud parent the issue of abortion turns my stomach and is something I could never do. That said i know plenty of women that have had them and I would never judge them. I believe its a womans choice. Pregnancy and child birth arent easy, neither is supporting and caring for a child for 18yrs. Parenthood should be a choice and not something that is forced on you. Mistakes do happen unfortunately and no contraception is 100% reliable. Also there is the difficult decision of termination when there are defects and disabilities with the fetus. What about when assault has led to a pregnancy? Should a woman be made to go through with the pregnancy? I believe not.
Again i would support anyone having to make this horrible choice.

I have seen first hand the agony of this decision which has been far from easy. The procedure isnt pleasant and there is pain after, although thats nothing compared to the guilt the woman feels, despite the choice being the best one for both mother and child.

I think that banning or making the procedure illegal will just drive it underground and in to the backstreets. Women will still have abortions but they risk dying and getting infections. Its possible for babies to survive backstreet abortions and be left with disabilities and deformities. Would that really be an improvement?

Abortion is an unpleasant but necessary procedure. Instead of governments making it illegal they would do better to focus on education and contraceptive advice in the hope of reducing the amount of unwanted pregnancys which I admit are worryingly high.



reply posted on 16-6-2008 @ 10:08 AM by slackerwire
reply to post by mikesdenver



Happen to have even a single piece of proof substantiating your claim about the race of the death penalty recipient?

Factual proof, not speculation please.

In fact, how about naming a single person who received the death penalty solely because of their race.


reply posted on 16-6-2008 @ 10:37 AM by Stormdancer777
Margaret Sanger
Founder of Planned Parenthood

www.dianedew.com...
In Her Own Words
"The most merciful thing that a large family does to one of its infant members is to kill it."
Margaret Sanger, Women and the New Race
(Eugenics Publ. Co., 1920, 1923)



On blacks, immigrants and indigents:human weeds,' 'reckless breeders,' 'spawning... human beings who never should have been born." Margaret Sanger, Pivot of Civilization, referring to immigrants and poor people


On sterilization & racial purification:


Sanger believed that, for the purpose of racial "purification," couples should be rewarded who chose sterilization. Birth Control in America, The Career of Margaret Sanger, by David Kennedy, p. 117, quoting a 1923 Sanger speech.




On the purpose of birth control:




The purpose in promoting birth control was "to create a race of thoroughbreds," she wrote in the Birth Control Review, Nov. 1921 (p. 2)




On the rights of the handicapped and mentally ill, and racial minorities:




"More children from the fit, less from the unfit -- that is the chief aim of birth control." Birth Control Review, May 1919, p. 12


On the extermination of blacks:



"We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population," she said, "if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members." Woman's Body, Woman's Right: A Social History of Birth Control in America, by Linda Gordon

www.icr.org...

It is all connected,
Darwin, Hitler, and the Culture of Death

The meme was planted



The weak should be killed by the strong, having ‘no pity and less benevolence’. The diseased, deformed and insane, together with ‘those swarms of blacks, and brown, and dirty-white, and yellow people … will have to go’ in


H.G. Wells

www.answersingenesis.org...


But Obama's record on abortion is extreme. He opposed the ban on partial-birth abortion -- a practice a fellow Democrat, the late Daniel Patrick Moynihan, once called "too close to infanticide." Obama strongly criticized the Supreme Court decision upholding the partial-birth ban. In the Illinois state Senate, he opposed a bill similar to the Born Alive Infant Protection Act, which prevents the killing of infants mistakenly left alive by abortion. And now Obama has oddly claimed he would not want his daughters to be "punished with a baby" because of a crisis pregnancy -- hardly a welcoming attitude toward new life.


www.realclearpolitics.com...

www.users.bigpond.com...


[edit on 103030p://bMonday2008 by Stormdancer777]


reply posted on 16-6-2008 @ 10:51 AM by slackerwire
Originally posted by FlyersFan
Originally posted by Stormdancer777
Margaret Sanger - Founder of Planned Parenthood

She was vile.

Here's some stats for ya'll -
abortion is black genocide


From your link:

"Since 1973 there has been over 13 million Black children killed and their precious mothers victimized by the U.S. abortion industry"

Victimized? Were those black women forced to have abortions? No. It is a choice.
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