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Revelations and Free Will

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posted on Jun, 17 2008 @ 05:50 AM
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There is simply one point in the entirety of your message that is truly of intrigue and worthy of discussion, as you are stating there is no free will with no logical basis or reasoning is hardly a topic of discussion. It is your opinion. Great. Thank you for such.

The main point of intrigue that could generate an interesting conversation is your very brief mention of the "contradiction" that resides within the reality of the existence of both prophecy and free will.

Did you know that in the highest kingdoms of heaven, where there is total freedom there is total obedience and vice versa? This is a promise not only from man to God, but from God to man, both in goodness and in darkness, because inevitably the element in which you asked for your existence during the creation of your spirit was simply asked in your voice of pure Love. It does not matter the path chosen, goodness or darkness; all will eventually arrive to their self chosen destination.

Everyone is stretching to understand how it is both free will and prophecy may exist simultaneously, and none are stretching far back enough in creation to the spirit creation of all existence. The scriptures in the beginning very quickly and very briefly in Genesis state that all was made in spirit before physically. And only then does it go into greater detail of the creation of the physical portion (in which evolutionists are correct as well. EVERYONE HOLDS A PORTION OF THE TRUTH. BUT TO HOLD THE WHOLE OF THE TRUTH YOU MUST LOVE THE CONTRADICTION, SEEK TO UNDERSTAND IT AND HOW IT OPERATES TOGETHER, FOR ONLY UNDERSTANDING THE WHOLE WILL THE WHOLE BE DELIVERED.)

In the very beginning, in spirit creation, God and Goddess because of pure love observed your thoughts and your desires, your will for your experience, after they themselves had walked their own path of spiritual and physical creation and becoming to the point of God and Goddess. You explained everything to Him and Her. They saw that it was good. And because of His and Hers, being Love, and because of obedience to the Laws of Love (their own laws they established of their own accord before commencing the work) you came to be. Because of His and Hers love, your free will was given to physicality for the desires of yourself, to be and become as them. With their macroscopic point of view, their experience in creating the creation of all, we advised them of our works, thus through our free will prophecy was enabled.

And this was just the beginning of this generation. There is more to it than just this. But this should suffice for now.

Love Always




posted on Jun, 17 2008 @ 05:51 AM
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you entire arguement is based on the assumption that knowledge = destiny. and it doesnt.

just because god knows what you are going to do before you do it doesnt mean that you arent responsible for doing it.

destiny implies that something else is guiding us. something determines what happens to us and when. its an excuse to put off personal responsibility because after all "i would have done it whether i wanted to or not". it also implies that we are just reactions to actions.

we are to a certain extent, but free will means we can decide what we want to do.

god lays the law. he said to perfect adam, if you eat the fruit you will die. is god stepping on free will by saying that?

if i said, "if you drink ammonia (the whole bottle) you will die", am i impeading on your free will?

use the prophecy of babylon. it was a very specific prophecy. god said through Isaiah and Jeremiah how and who would do it. he even named cyrus 200 years before he was born. does this mean that cyrus was destined to do it? in a way yes. but does it change cyrus' own personal decisions in the matter? no not really. cyrus didnt even know about the prophecy until he was already making plans to do it. he was going to do it whether or not god said he would.

the fact is, cyrus conquered babylon basically because he wanted too. im sure there were political reasons and such but it still came down to free will. its just that god knew about it and used it to his own means.

[edit on 17-6-2008 by miriam0566]



posted on Jun, 17 2008 @ 06:02 AM
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And yes, God and all the kingdom of Heaven may be of aid to one with free will, however it has to be the will of the individual to receive such aid and guidance. The kingdom of Heaven may help only when asked for such help. They may not interject otherwise, in order to uphold the law of free will. Now, suppose how wonderful it is that a free will being offer their life and entire being both spiritual and physical to the point of acceptance of spiritual death that another or others may live, to be of aid to the kingdom. This is no longer God stretching down to man to be of help at the request of man, but man acting in His likeness and stretching up to God to aid, help and serve. Can you imagine the works God would use such an individual for?

Can you say, here comes the kindgom???

Love Always was His greatest command.



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