Originally posted by yankeerose

As obviously posted in this thread... they are not only coming to ATS, they are already here! And YES, we should be concerned.

But ever since all this racist crap has started, I would be too embarrassed to point anyone in this direction. Once the elections are over, I am sure most of the trolls will leave, and ATS will get back to the "Deny Ignorance" philosophy that it is known for.

I would suggest that you look around here more. The vast majority of the posts have been accusing people who criticize Obama as being racist. Those accusing others as being "black haters" or racists because they question Obama are the people who are perpetuating ignorance. Sadly, this includes at least two mods that I've seen directly state that people who don't vote for Obama must be racists.

Actually the U.S. isn't all that racist, being hispanic/white I've actually seen more racism stemming from hispanics and blacks than whites. I mean, just look at a lot of the schools these days, who are the most picked on kids? The scrawny white kids, of course. So, what I'm saying is that racism works both ways.
And just because someone doesn't like Obama, doesn't mean they're racist, which apparently some of you outsiders seem to think. I don't like Obama because he's a liberal bureaucrat, not because of his skin pigmentation.

Blacks fathers have abandoned their responsibilities. They're acting like boys instead of men. More than half of all black children live in single-parent households, making them five times more likely to live in poverty and 20 times more likely to end up in prison. Any fool can have a child. That doesn't make you a father. Is this a racist statement coming from a white man?

Originally posted by Perplexed
Blacks fathers have abandoned their responsibilities. They're acting like boys instead of men. More than half of all black children live in single-parent households, making them five times more likely to live in poverty and 20 times more likely to end up in prison. Any fool can have a child. That doesn't make you a father. Is this a racist statement coming from a white man?

Perplexed,
Around here I see a slow trend in change of this scenerio you post. I see more black men escorting thier children thorugh the stores, Buying groceries with thier women, changing diapers in the bathrooms etc etc. I think this is a great and long overdue change. I encourage it.

I have also noticed that in the so called black culture ...the black male is the most disposable expendable commodity ...more so than in other culturers. Social services are staffed around here mostly by black women.
Meaning black women can more easily go from a male as a wallet and support to government programs as a wallet and support...ie..a substitute male...with very few of the liabilitys or responsibilitys to the female. These types of moneys and support can in fact become a type of drug habit to the females. Also this does not strictly apply to black women..but all women on this system.

This substitute wallet system or if you like..this seperate fiefdom..has contributed to the stigma among black women...where there is a level of scorn for the black male. No respect. In otherwords ...the black male is a nice option...but they dont really need him. I do not believe that many peoples outside of the culture even notice this. This too, I suspect ,has contributed to the symptoms you describe Preplexed where the black male carrys on with conduct you measure as boys in stead of men.
What I see that has happened over time is that Black men as a slow result of this scorn have changed thier thinking to going after non black women.
While I have not kept up with fashion trends, this has caused me to ask if this change in black male hunting tactics has caused the trend in many black women changing thier hair colour to blonde. In otherwords a reaction to a trend which concerns them.....primordal female competition. It is just something I have noticed.

I was shocked one night at work to have a black male working next to me tell me that affirmative action benifits the black female more than the black male and destroys the black family structure. What he was saying in essense was that many government programs are contributing to the destruction of the black family.
What I am saying is that not all here is as seems on the surface.

I have also dated women who are apartment managers. They have fired several black women who quietly play the race card and rent apartments to black women who dont quaify under the rules and guidelines in renting for that company. They try to set up little fiefdoms within the company where they can flex the rules by race.
What many of these women do when they are fired...is go work for the city in Social Services where they continue setting up the same fiefdoms. Much easier to do in Government service, where like high school, continued government funds are dependent on improving the rolls taken....ie...signing more people up.
In otherwords these people cannot make it in private employment...doing queen bee type behavior on private funds..but can do so easily on government funds.
This behavior too also makes the black male more expendable and disposable. Not all is as seems on the surface.

My take on this is that it is slowly changing..the scenerio you paint Perplexed. I think it is a good thing among the younger culture.
My concern is what will happen at $6 to $8 per gallon but this will also affect all peoples and not just the black culture.

Thanks,
Orangetom



[edit on 16-6-2008 by orangetom1999]

You know... I honestly try to give people the benefit of the doubt. And I don't want to think that Obama's race is affecting whether or not people vote for him, ESPECIALLY here on ATS. I expect something of a higher standard from the posters here.

But I'm really beginning to second-guess my first assumptions. I'm beginning to think Obama's race has a lot more to do with the hatred of him than people are willing to admit... even to themselves. And it's not because of anything overtly said, but because of the process of ridiculous attacks and rumors and other covert (but obvious) comments against the man, his wife, his religion, his birthplace, his family, etc.

The fact that he was even ASKED to show his birth certificate to "us", the American public, to prove his eligibility, even though there has never been a question of his birthplace before (I smell the putrid odor of Karl Rove in that) is one indication that something about this man is "different" to his critics.

There's just as much (MORE!) evidence against McCain's eligibility for the office, but he has not ONCE been asked to show his birth certificate here. He wasn't even born in the US! But not once has his eligibility been questioned. Or Kerry's or Clinton's (either one) or Romney, or ANY other candidate.

Let's see... why is that, do you suppose? What's 'different' about Obama? Something that people might see as untrustworthy, a little scary or threatening, perhaps...

He's a Senator, married, 2 kids, a Christian, great education, great orator... None of that is 'different'... Yeah, by process of elimination, the only reason I can conclude that this man is being vetted under the most powerful microscope by the American public is that he's black...

I really would like to hear of another reason that maybe I haven't thought of.

You deliberately began a very heated racist thread for someone from one of the enlightened nations. We are actually less biased in the States than people are in lets say Great Brittan. We are also more open, and more diverse of opinion. More free in our expression, and more maligned by international media.

Yes you do not understand Americans, and you apparently do not understand yourself.