UK society 'demonising' children

UK society 'demonising' children

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British children are being "demonised" by a society that is locking too many of them up, according to watchdogs.

The joint report by children's commissioners for all parts of the UK said attitudes towards youngsters were hardening across the country.

The experts said crime committed by children had fallen between 2002 and 2006, but the numbers criminalised had gone up by just over a quarter.

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The criminalization of more children can only be part of a plan to install fear into others seeing as ASBO's are now seen as a badge of honour amongst some youngsters.

With the gathering of DNA and all other personal information upon arrest, it adds fuel to the fire for a police state.

So just why are attitudes hardening towards youngsters in the UK?
Is it because they have access to lots of really cheap alcohol?
Is it because they have little hope of ever being as successful as society demands. With the idolisation of pop stars and hollywood images of glamour, tied in with almost every city and town being a mirror image of itself, there seems to be little else to do or even hope for.

The experts said more children were scared in their neighbourhoods and, citing previous studies, drank more alcohol, had deteriorating mental health and felt more pressure at school than their European peers.

Is it any wonder, then, that the youth of today are lost and confused. With the constant idea of a war on terror being streamed 'live' to their brains litterally 24 hours a day. It stands to reason some will fall, others will rebel and the rest become the sheeple the PTB so want you all to become.

A specialist squad is to be set up to help towns with the most drink-related hospital admissions fight their alcohol problems

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So the alcohol issue continues late into life and is still a major additive towards the influences and experiences a vast number of the population suffer.

"The system is dominated by a punitive approach and does not sufficiently distinguish between adult offenders and children who break the law," says the report.

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The judicial system was toughened up after the murder of James Bulger
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This case was also used as a test bed for CCTV and was shown how CCTV was a major factor in putting the evidence together as to what had happened to James. Those charged with his murder were as close to being treated as adult offenders as anyone else IMHO.

The report attacks the use by some shop-keepers, businesses and local authorities of the Mosquito teen deterrent.

The device emits a high-pitched squeal which can generally only be heard by the under-25s.

That's a new one on me...never heard of it (no pun intended) but just goes to show how the youth are so very bored and frustrated at the society they live in. Shunned and forced away from doing what teens do best, mingle and chat and enjoy themselves. Unfortunately, some are so bored that the cheap alcohol they are able to buy from the very same shops that force them away, is usually the main ingredient for rebellion.

And if that's not all, the teens learn far faster from TPTB than any other ... It would seem they're beating the system by using the very same technology that is up against them;

Papers across the UK are reporting the hottest new ring tone being swapped by kids is "Teen Buzz," a hacked version of the Mosquito tone.

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Todays inner city youth are a violent nasty feral underclass of psychopathic hoodlums. They deserve ASBOS, tagging and jail they really do.

Ask staff nurses in inner city A+E Depts what they think of this sectiuon of society and you'll cringe at the language used.

Over all they are a product of our feckless society and government pandering to liberal wishy washy BS.

I for one thing they are not demonised enough nor locked up enough.

Innit respect diss me bbbrrrap !

Originally posted by Dan Tanna
Todays inner city youth are a violent nasty feral underclass of psychopathic hoodlums.

Innit respect diss me bbbrrrap !

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reply to post by Extralien


its not society thats the problem
its the bloody goverment gone all PC
they say parents dont do enough but if parents do anything they can be locked up. Kids need to be disaplined.

I think the problem will only get worse. I was amazed to discover another local swimming pool near me was soon closing to make way for more flats, a local park has just been built on. We expect these kids to be more active yet we are slowly taking away any alternatives to sitting on a street corner.

[edit on 9-6-2008 by Knights]

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Yes!

Political Correctness has damaged the UK. And do not get me started on the nanny state telling us what to do either

The european union is also to blame.

Human rights trumps even criminal law - thats documented case law.

Your articles of rights apply across the board, so a thieving robbing drug dealing inner city feral animal has to be equal to all pothers and have his 'uman rights respected.

I say ditch the lot, go back to how we wree and lets claim back our cities and towns from this feral menace.

If we do not act now this feral population will breed... raising its litters as they were raised and worse.

Fall of Rome any one ?

The term "children" is so way overused. It brings up visions of 55 lb 8 year olds, when in reality it is often used for adolescents that are physically threatening to the average adult, in fact that demographic is responsible for a LOT of the violent crime in society.

Anyone that considers a 16 year old sociopath that has a history of robbing/raping and possibly even killing is a “misguided young child that just needs a hug to make everything okay” is truly living in a fantasy. Many are a threat to those around them and will continue to commit crimes, it may not be “their fault because they were abused” but that is besides the point. They are a problem and they need to be restrained until it is reasonable to think they are NO longer a threat.

If someone mistreats a puppy and it turns into a vicious dog, you can’t blame the dog but you can surely see to it the dog is on a leash and not running around biting people.


[edit on 9-6-2008 by Sonya610]

Originally posted by Sonya610

If someone mistreats a puppy and it turns into a vicious dog, you can’t blame the dog but you can surely see to it the dog is on a leash and not running around biting people.


[edit on 9-6-2008 by Sonya610]

I'd qoute your whole post...it was awesome but this really hits it home.

As a former custodial worker I can tell you that the most viscious criminals were the 16 - 23 year olds. Hardend criminals in their 40's and 50's actually would prefere these thugs drowned and shot than be associated with them.

One hard old boy who was in for armed robbery and was 11 years into his stretch got stabbed and beaten by three of these feral animals. I tell you that was not a fun week to be on the wings at all. It was oldies versus youngies and it was chaos and bedlam.

They respect nothing, expect every thing and give nothing in return.

Feral animals.

Aaaaaah! Poor little kiddies feel demonised! Perhaps if they acted with a little more responsibility, showed a bit of respect for others and property, then they might be treated a little better themselves. So many people have been intimidated by the little darlings over time that they naturally feel distrust, caution and, perhaps some hostility.

Here's an example.

Several years ago there used to be a gang of youths, all in the 15 - 17 age group, who used to hang around the flats where I live, causing damage to property and intimidating the residents. The police did nothing.
Late one night as I stepped from the bottom door with the pooch for a walk, I was greeted with the usual barrage of abuse by the ringleader and his pack, about 7 or 8 of them. Standing in front of them were a sergeant and 2 PC's from the local police station, who made no attempt to intervene.
So off I went and when I came back 1/2 hour or so later I was again assailed with abusive language and the sergeant, still talking to them did nothing to stop it.
I put the pooch in the building lobby then approached the sergeant and advised him to leave as things were about to get very ugly. Of course, I was them informed that if I became violent and swore at him again I could be arrested.
I once again told the police to leave as I was sick of these little animals and the total lack of action by him and his officers as they stood by and saw themselves what we put up with each time we stepped out the building. Once again I was threatened with arrest while the group of youths all stood there laughing.
Well, finally I just vented my spleen at the police officers and told them exactly what I thought of the "law" and their authority and that things would be taken care of - and they were (some guys in a van picked up the ringleader, gave him a pasting and dropped him 100 miles from home).

The inaction on the part of the police, after months of complaints by myself and neighbours, the abuse and damaged property and this sergeant just stands there and let's them get away with it, then threatens ME with arrest for standing up for MY rights.
That night I lost what little respect I had left for the rule of law in this country and those tasked with enforcing it.

Discipline needs to be enforced at an early age but the parents, the police, the teachers etc all shun this expecting someone else to be responsible. If the parents don't take the initiative then who else will? Isn't it their job, having brought offspring into the world, to ensure that they are brought up correctly, or is that something that is now someone else's job?

Has anyone read the book "The Children of Men" by P.D. James? The last generation of kids are reffered to as "Omegas" and there totally brutal! there arroant and spiteful, they rob stab and murder people, they roam around in feral gangs.

They sound alot like the kids of today who do these disgusting things, I was shocked when I read it the author could of been talking about events in my own city.

Personally I would say alcohol plays a huge factor in it, I've been in numerous confrontations with groups of kids (I say kids, some of them are the same age as me) and most of the time there wasted on drink and looking to put someone down to make them feel better.

My mams a nurse and she has to see more of it than myself, shes been kicked, punched, headbutted and even bitten by kids, teenages and grown men/women, shes says the lowest common denominator in all of these cases is alcohol, it can turn the best of people in to animals at times so how is someone whos already a thug gonna react on it?

I lived in a real remote area of the Uk for a while (wife was community nursing) and they had these young 'tough' lads in the local pub one night.

They kicked off and started throwing chairs about.

Five minutes later the fishermen walked in. These young lads stopped dead in their tracks.

One thing finishes a fight like nothing else can. A very angry fisherman wanting a drink and your in his way making noise.

My self I don't drink any more, but when i did I can say that rowdy ? yes at times, noisy ? yes at times, but I was a happy drunk.

These animals are viscious sober and 100 times worse when wetted.

Originally posted by Dan Tanna

These animals are viscious sober and 100 times worse when wetted.

Good, it's not just me that thinks the alcohol excuse is a cop out then.

I can speak from experience that nearly all of the trouble I have witnessed over the years has been perpetrated by sober thugs, not drunk ones. It makes me angry when I read in the papers, local or national, about another thug whose lawyer says he (or she) was "acting out of character" due to the drink. BS! In my experience, someone acting aggressively after drinking is almost always just as aggressive whilst sober.

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"A scum bag sober is a scum bag drunk, just louder and with less reservations about hurting some one."

Not going to say who told me this, but its 100% correct. A JP I know very well is the scourge of these little vermin. They pull the drink changed me card and she gets very tizzed with life. many a runt has regretted pulling that stunt I can tell you.

As a youth of England who you are all bashing here I want to defend 'our kind'. Firstly I have never been in trouble with the law so I am defending other people my age...

Swearing and punching, where do you think they get that from...Theire parents well done so when you blame us for that you also place blame on yourselves.

Stealing, well that was here before we were so again the blame also goes to yourselves.

Stabbing in prison, arn't youths kept in prison separately? But anywayI think it must be rather imtimidating with all those adults, you don't know what was going through his mind at that time.

Please, yes we do have a lot of bad people in our age group....but so do you. And most definately don't class us as 'the kids of today'. It is only ever used as an attack against us and in no way applies to all young people.

The psychology of mob rule (big or small), has always made it harder to deal with the type of violence and disregard for others. A single individual getting drunk and acting up can usualy be handled by a few choice words. A group usualy cannot. Force in self protection is almost a suicide act in Britain and many places in the US. We used to have a 'mutual combat' law that allowed you to smack someone that is getting in your face. The lawyers got into the picture along with those who call them instead of taking they're own protection in they're own hands and that law went by the wayside. The cops have been told " arrest everyone involved and let the courts sort it out. Now courts and lawyers have more bizness than they can handle and thats perfectly fine for them. The citizens be damned.

Zindo

Originally posted by umbr45
As a youth of England who you are all bashing here I want to defend 'our kind'. Firstly I have never been in trouble with the law so I am defending other people my age...

Swearing and punching, where do you think they get that from...Theire parents well done so when you blame us for that you also place blame on yourselves.

Stealing, well that was here before we were so again the blame also goes to yourselves.

Stabbing in prison, arn't youths kept in prison separately? But anywayI think it must be rather imtimidating with all those adults, you don't know what was going through his mind at that time.

Please, yes we do have a lot of bad people in our age group....but so do you. And most definately don't class us as 'the kids of today'. It is only ever used as an attack against us and in no way applies to all young people.

Read the thread. We are attacking feral inner city vermin, pack animals, the dreggs of society.

Thats a large unpleasent part of inner city living today. Look, your trying to defend the indefensible here. There is no, none, zero excuse for what they do to others for fun, for kicks, for laughs, none at all.

I do blame the parents, i do blame softly softly laws, i do blame these feckless little animals breeding and raising their vermin as they had been.

They seem incapable of any want or desire to raise themselves up from where they lay to attain better things. They seem content to be this feral menace - 'cause it gets respect ainnit !

And it just makes you wonder what folks used to say about us when we were teens.

I was never out on the streets drunk..or in others homes.. but that doesn't mean that some busy body will never look at you and label you as a terror.

it only takes one "misdeed" in the wrong eyes for a label to be given.

You might be 98% innocent most of the time..but that little 2% left behind is all it takes to get you nicked.

There's some very good points being made both for and against all sides of the story. We may not have even touched on the finer points or covered many of the issues.

Consider the influence of computer games, terrible schooling, the rich/poor divide etc etc.

As much as some feel it's a government problem, while others feel it's the society, well, the government is the society... it's the government that has aided and abetted society into the pit it is currently languishing in.

In London UK I actually blame immigration, rich / poor divide and a weak pandering society that will not punish those who do wrong.

In Oxford I blame rich / poor divide and a weak pandering government.

In Glasgow I blame the weather and midges making people mean as rattlers with tooth ache.


I agree not all kids are bad kids, but this day and age there is less and less of them you would want living in your street.