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Stan Romaneks' alien equations; Follow up, Please help...

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posted on Jun, 8 2008 @ 03:40 PM
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I could use some help with this....
There was a thread started a couple of days ago, that stated that Stan Romaneks, whom I just heard of, had created these "equations". Now I won't get into all of the details, you can read them on his website.
The point is I have no Idea what the heck this guy is or is not. I have no idea if the signed witness statements are all a part of this guys get rich scheme. But I do know this...

The OP of this thread here professed that this equation was actually a map of our solar system, linked to Orion, blah blah blah. (just read the thread).

Well, I couldn't get anyone to help me answer this question; If the OP was correct, then the other equations that "professors can't figure out" (according to STAN's website) have now had a huge piece revealed to them.
here is the link to his site... www.stanromanek.com...

and here is the link to the equations... hit won't let me post this link, but it is on the link above, just scroll down and it's marked "equations"...

So what is my question there? on the 10th and 13th images on his equations page, we see the same symbol that the OP of the other thread cites as being the representative for "warp travel" or a "wormhole" that connects us. Well, if that is true, and I know this is assuming a lot, then Stan's equations might actually be the answer to interstellar travel. (sort of like in "Contact")

The OP has only posted one article on ATS, so I am a bit skeptical. And if this is a hoax, then Stan would have known the "meaning" of these drawings, leaking info to stir debate. But if it is true, then did I find something valid? Please let me know your opinions.... -Jason



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posted on Jun, 8 2008 @ 03:49 PM
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just like on the other thread, nobody seems to know what I am talking about, or they don't care. No biggie either way, but am I not presenting this right?



posted on Jun, 8 2008 @ 03:55 PM
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Hiyah jason,

I have no idea what you're talking about but I felt bad that no one was answering you
I will look at the thread, because I don't remember it...and then look at this guy's web site.

So you're just basically asking if the guy's a total phony or the real deal? I read the first page of that thread...but I have plans for dinner or I'd read his web site. I'll check back in later.

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posted on Jun, 8 2008 @ 04:02 PM
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Thanks apex. Even pity is attention I will take, lol. What it is, is that this guy claims to be visited by multiple aliens. In the middle of the night, allegedly sleeping, he writes out equations on his notebook and other places. Apparently they have proven that his equations, or some of them, have a lot of truth to them.

Well, the OP of the other thread stated that he thought one such diagram to be a map, and well, read the thread. I just went to his website and started looking around at his equations. Well, if the OP of the other thread was correct, and it does make a nice fit, then the symbol that he refers to as the means by which we travel to each-others galaxies.

Anyway, it's just that that symbol showed up as the answer to other equations. Weird, right? so either I am being hoodwinked, or the OP of the other thread took a new look at something, and I added something else. Seems enough for me to ring the bell and get some logical answers, maybe from a mathematician? Anyway, thanks for stopping by.... -Jason



posted on Jun, 8 2008 @ 04:33 PM
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Well, I'm off to work for ten hours. If anyone can make any sense of this, it would be greatly appreciated... -Jason



posted on Jun, 8 2008 @ 04:48 PM
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I started a thread on this earlier this month.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

You can also check out more here:

www.rense.com...



posted on Jun, 8 2008 @ 05:33 PM
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Originally posted by jasonjnelson
I could use some help with this....

So what is my question there? on the 10th and 13th images on his equations page, we see the same symbol that the OP of the other thread cites as being the representative for "warp travel" or a "wormhole" that connects us. Well, if that is true, and I know this is assuming a lot, then Stan's equations might actually be the answer to interstellar travel. (sort of like in "Contact")

I have so much time to waste that I actually went to look at star maps around Alnitak (or was it Mintaka?) in the Orion belt. Nice part of the sky, with the horsehead nebula nearby. No luck finding the stars in the zoomed map from image 8.

About the equations, they are not as cryptic as I would expect from a telepathic message from aliens. Symbols and units are all very terrestrial.

Image 9 looks completely made up. You don't usually mix symbols with 10^-13 constants, it doesn't make sense. The ",o" symbol looks out of place too.

Image 10 has unrelated well known formulas with equal signs between them. The electron configuration of element 115 (with a small mistake "6" should be "f") = one of Maxwell's equations = Drake's equation. Whatever.

The other pictures have some easily recognizable parts. Image 13: some metric (ds²) and integrals calculations. Then some energy values in Mev, then Planck's length 10-33 cm. The escape speed from gravity = speed of light define the Swartzshield radius of a black hole. The inverted image 14 has some tensor calculus. I don't know if it makes sense.

This all looks like bits and pieces of physics texts gathered from the net, including some basic stuff. Hey even I know them and I'm not a physicist. I would have expected aliens to have a higher understanding of physics and a different, more alien, symbology.

About the circle symbol with an arrow starting from the center, it appears many times, no idea what it represents.

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posted on Jun, 8 2008 @ 05:35 PM
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Hello,

I finally took a look at Stan's website. Some pretty advanced match going on in his head. Albeit, math wasn't' my best subject, but I guess it would be pretty hard to fudge arbitrary numbers and equations like that.

Doing something like this without making sense to mathematicians would certainly be the end all to expose a hoaxer. There are three things in my mind which would give the final votes to prove validity of this man's experiences.

1. The mathematician's results of his equations and their credentials
2. An educational background check on Stan
3. An MRI scan in lieu of a polygraph examination

I would definitely like to keep on top of this case and find whether those three points will ever be known.



posted on Jun, 8 2008 @ 05:50 PM
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Originally posted by FlySolo
1. The mathematician's results of his equations and their credentials

Anyone can go to arXiv.org, download tons of random cosmology, astrophysics, or quantum gravity papers and copy bits and pieces from them more or less accurately.

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posted on Jun, 8 2008 @ 06:18 PM
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According to the witnesses, he made these equations while sleeping and under hypnosis. Now anyone may be able to go to the site you mentioned and copy equations, but they would still need to be quite intelligent to scrawl them down with their eyes closed from memory. This math is like a foreign language.

I'll check out this site and see how much I can retain.



posted on Jun, 8 2008 @ 07:18 PM
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Or his family only saw the completed papers in the morning. Oh Stan, you've been sleepwalking again! That's for the most complex papers and assuming they make any sense, like the reversed one, image 14, that looks like a Hamiltonian expression (is there a General Relativity specialist on ATS?) I doubt any of these were done with eyes closed. Automatic writing under hyposis or while asleep can't be so neat.

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posted on Jun, 9 2008 @ 02:20 AM
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I'm not really surte if we should believe him, but I am curious as to what these equations mean, hence this thread... are there any math people here?



posted on Jun, 9 2008 @ 02:50 AM
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I'm a physicist. I'm looking at the first one.

The 5b^14 6d^10 ... 7 p3^3 is some kind of spectroscopic notation describing electrons of an element, presumably
the magic 'Stan Lazar' element 115.

After that there is one of the Maxwell equations, stating in effect
that magnetic fields (curl of B) are generated by current and changing electric fields.

Then there's some random drawings circling Orion, a schematic of
our solar system, the Drake 'equation'.

If he was "communicating with ETs" then somehow they are teaching out of Earthbound freshman physics textbooks. (there is nothing more advanced, I saw this in high school or 1st year college) Why would they use the same notation?

This comes 100% from humans, that's for sure.

And besides, if ETs wanted to talk about physics they could pick up Ed Witten who would have a trillion times more interesting questions to ask.


later on, some stuff looks maybe like a few things lifted from some paper on wave propagation mixed in with who knows what.


But in any case, equations without sense and context aren't physics, they're jibberish. It's much more important to get the physics understandable that certain equations. What matters is "what does a symbol mean and what is the underlying property of particles or whatever involved". For instance, it's much more useful to say "medium to low energy neutrons cause fission in certain isotopes of uranium and emit more neutrons which can cause a chain reaction" versus some fancy formula for the cross section but you don't even know what the terms mean.

If any of y'all get talk to an ET warp engineer, ask them "what sort of experiment could we do which would demonstrate the underlying physical principle behind warp drive, and why don't we see this effect now in our labs?" Take some paper & pencils.


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posted on Jun, 9 2008 @ 02:54 AM
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Thanks for the info. So I guess the high I had at work from thinking I'd discovered the key to interstellar travel was only meant to last ten hours. So what you are saying is that this is all bunk?



posted on Jun, 9 2008 @ 03:18 AM
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mbkennel, we need more posts from you, and your colleagues!!

Way over my head, the math was.....but the logic, very understandable.

Thanks



posted on Jun, 9 2008 @ 06:09 AM
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Thanks mbkennel for helping jason and the rest of us out here...that's too funny, him throwing in Drake's equation in the mish mash...

Was this guy selling a book or tapes or what? I never did make it to his web site...and now for sure won't



posted on Jun, 9 2008 @ 06:18 AM
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it's gibberish. He's mixed all sorts of things in, symbols from biochem, standard chemistry, physics... First impression is he grabbed things just weird enough looking as to raise an eyebrow, but familiar enough to look right...

Bleh.



posted on Jun, 9 2008 @ 12:55 PM
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Originally posted by mbkennel
Why would they use the same notation?


Why would they use one that humans do not understand?

Think about the way the information was gathered. That doesnt have to be a one way channel. (channeling byway isnt one way)

If they have gathered information about humans (not only about that specific one) and they want to deliever a message then its in their interest to present it in one for the target known form.

However I agree that the equations presented aren't something that is convincing and I also say it is a made up.

However that's how I read it:
element115 -> antigravity or force generation through some B and E field properties. (the circle and the arrow)
drake equation ..just a hint that the mesanger is alien. (the eq is pointless)
orion.. obvious from there. (dont flip it).
wormhole... well intention to set up a wormhole / tunnel..
so the message would be the knowledge required to create the other end of the 'protal' on earth so they can invade ..aeh fly to us.
It's a one way arrow..noted!?


There was a lot talk about wormholes etc in the past years and so it seems to me it is a made up/hoax of that time. concious or unconcious (dream) I dont know.
I might err. However the guy isn't convincing to me.



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