This Is Not A Real Photo Of The Inside Of A Chemtrail Plane Folks, page 4
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reply posted on 9-6-2008 @ 02:38 PM by mudhog92
Chemtrail info:

www.youtube.com...

Google 'chemtrail' and look it up for yourself so you can make your own opinion. There is a lot out there, educate yourself. You should not take anyone's word, make up your own mind.


reply posted on 9-6-2008 @ 02:58 PM by defcon5
reply to post by mOOmOO


What was the point of that off-topic post, simply to slam Americans?
Trollery at its finest.


reply posted on 9-6-2008 @ 02:59 PM by mOOmOO
Originally posted by defcon5
reply to post by mOOmOO


What was the point of that off-topic post, simply to slam Americans?
Trollery at its finest.



And I thought Germans had no sense of humour.


reply posted on 9-6-2008 @ 03:00 PM by weedwhacker
reply to post by mudhog92


mudhog, you are way above your head here....please do not bring nonsense YouTube baloney to this debate. You are new, and we all see that.

What you have failed to do is read through the many, many 'chemtrail' threads here, on ATS, to explain away the nonsense that you think you are seeing/hearing on YouTube.

A contrail is a contrail. You can see them being made, as commercial jets fly over your head! It is not a 'chemical', any more than your car sprays out chemicals as you drive along the road!!! (Well, jet engines burn a lot more fuel than your average car....about 450 hundred gallons per hour....)

Wait, let's figure that one out a bit.... A B767 at 3000 pounds/hr, each engine, that's 6000 pounds/hr total. JET-A weighs 6.7 pounds/gallon, on average. (will vary, depending on temperature)

6000 divided by 6.7 equals 895 gallons per hour. A jet, at cruising altitude (since I'm discussing fuel burns as a jet cruises overhead) is moving at about Mach .78 to Mach .82

That works out to speeds, in MPH, of between 450 (low side) to 550 MPH.

(Mach is a function of temperature and pressure, but you can look that up for yourselves)

In aviation, we use Knots....I have converted from knots, to the typical USA standard of MPH....just multiply anything you see in Knots by 1.15.

So.....at the low end, a commercial jet gets about 30 miles per gallon of jet fuel. I know, aviation people will howl at this travesty....because fuel burns vary, depending on whether it's take-off thrust, or idle thrust, and we have to figure in the taxi fuel, out to the runway, and after landing...I know, I know!!!!

And, my math may be off a bit....doesn't matter, because the point should be well clear. It would cost MUCH MORE in fuel to transport any alleged 'spraying' then it would offset the benefit.

For non-pilots.....EVERY airplane that takes off has a 'known' weight. EVERY ounce of fuel consumed, is expended as energy to operate that airplane, at that weight. If it weighs less, it consumes less fuel, and vice-versa.

Every aviator knows this simple premise......


reply posted on 9-6-2008 @ 03:16 PM by defcon5
Originally posted by BoiseWatcher
was watching the news, and low and behold there they were talking about odd formations (huge circles) being laid down by planes in the area had enough people disturbed that they called and asked the news cover the story. Well they gave the story no more than 30 seconds and this was there Story....

Alot of people called us about the huge formations being left by planes today in the valley, Well we contacted air controller tower and they told us they had to put some planes in a "Holding pattern" before they landed here at the runway"

I would say that this is correct answer to what folks saw. Are you suggesting that all the ATC people out there are in on this as well, and keeping quiet about it? Here is what a holding pattern looks like:


Originally posted by BoiseWatcher
That is complete BS. I have many many many pictures of these planes and they have never land here nor take off as far I see. I only live about 2 miles from the airport and taking pictures of these planes has become one of my hobbies.

ATC has the ability to shift flights all over the place if need be, so you might not have seen the same aircraft get unstacked then go straight in for a landing.

Originally posted by BoiseWatcher
bayimg.com...
bayimg.com...
(BAYIMG seems to be down but I was looking at them yesterday, so be patient.) here are some of the most interesting...... while you wait to look at all of them.

I am not ignoring these, but I cannot look at them to tell what they are.

Originally posted by BoiseWatcher

That appears to be a distrail to me.
Distrail

Originally posted by BoiseWatcher

That is either a Sundog, Halo, or most likely a Sun Spoke.
Sun Spoke


reply posted on 9-6-2008 @ 03:23 PM by defcon5
reply to post by mungodave


The last two images were the same type of test on a different aircraft.
The one with the Qantas guy in it was from an Airbus, I believe.


reply posted on 9-6-2008 @ 04:06 PM by defcon5
Originally posted by Bspiracy
SOMETHING was happening BUT something has also changed. I live in the middle of three airports and I know the patterns like the back of my hand now. I work in my garage and watch the sky as much as possible. I drive to meet clients and most of the time it's open around me.
I travel hundreds of miles on the highway with a frequency greater than the normal person and I ALWAYS am looking up.


Well first thing is that its now summer, and the weather has changed. I have noticed that there are far fewer contrails in the sky at my present location for months now. That is due to changes in the temperature and humidity levels as we approach mid summer here in Florida. It is also due to the hurricane that went by us about a week ago. In case you have not noticed this is apparent on this site as well, as the number of Chemtrail threads has also deceased over the past few weeks, since people are seeing fewer contrails. At least that is my read on things, maybe some others would disagree with me.

As to the Flight patterns, they can be shifted with little or no notice due to a number of factors. Noise dissipation rules, runway construction, building construction in the area of a runway, and weather being a few factors that can cause them to shift landing or approach patterns.



altocumulus undulates clouds, they can take on many strange formations that often look symmetrical, and manmade. Here are some examples:


australiasevereweather.com...
australiasevereweather.com...
australiasevereweather.com...
australiasevereweather.com...


reply posted on 9-6-2008 @ 04:28 PM by thefreepatriot
reply to post by defcon5


Actually.. Some of the stuff that fell from a chemtrail was tested... and they found barium... Which by the way can be used to suspend viruses..
Here is a news report.




Looks like Barium is used a virus suspender.. and or immune system suppresor
www.springerlink.com...
www.ihsite.com...







[edit on 9-6-2008 by thefreepatriot]


reply posted on 9-6-2008 @ 04:44 PM by Bspiracy
I'm kind of confused here.
-----Essan: here's a clearer example of what I mean.
Do not tell me these are normal clouds without giving me ONE example of the same thing. These are the same shapes within the same shapes within the same shapes in a fractal pattern. Meaning there were small squares, small 45 and even 6 sided shapes and the pattern repeated on top of it self in larger and larger patterns.

This went over the horizon, over the city edge, over a bay and so on. There was no singular occurrence that caused this in some highly localized area. I drove for 20 minutes on the highway trying to see if it was "localized. I went from IN the city OUT of the city across a several mile bridge and down a highway. All different conditions but the same pattern was everywhere.

Unless you can explain fractal geometrics in the clouds, I'm holding onto the theory that something is added into the atmosphere so something else can be toyed with. So yes, I'm insinuating HAARP type techs used in conjunction with spray tech.

Regarding the comment "well b, it's now summer and things have changed" yes, I know. I've been through 4 seasons with an acute watch at the sky. I have "predictive photos" For 2 and almost 3 seasons, there were patterns and occurrences that didn't jive with seeming normal. I didn't all of the sudden stop believing something was going on, it just changed. Summer, spring winter and fall. It was strange for three years but now.. it's changed. I don't mean recently.. I mean over the past 8 months I've seen major changes.

I've had so many conversations with friends saying I'm nutz and everyone of them (no, you aren't the first people by ANY means in trying to convince me I'm retarded) has tried to prove me wrong. Every single one I have sat down with, predicted what was going to happen in GEOMETRICS have been astounded.




Clouds 1
clouds 2
Start here, look at any site you wish and so on. Like I said, find something that replicates my image.

What's interesting is that now I'm revisiting these old links, they have added hole punch clouds and other "unusual" clouds.

I understand nature has some very interesting formations. I've been around the world in all types of climates and have learned to be wary in what I think.

So my challenge is this.. provide a photo from a source that has squares, within squares, 45 angles to those squares and then repeat this pattern in a fractal fashion. Or just explain it.

The closest I have seen is a strange image taken on some sts mission not too long ago that had a hexagon pattern to it, but no squares. The hexagon pattern is something I'd like to hear explained also.

b <--- edited to add that the reason why I drove out of the city in the first place to find the end of this strange occurrence was I had a suspicion that is may have been a localized occurrence from a construction site, underground scalar phenomena, radio towers etc... Nope.. it was everywhere and right after a day of heavy spraying or "contrail formations"
I really don't like holding on to this viewpoint either but unless someone can provide an answer then I HAVE to hold on to it.


[edit on 9-6-2008 by Bspiracy]


reply posted on 9-6-2008 @ 04:54 PM by defcon5
Originally posted by thefreepatriot
Actually.. Some of the stuff that fell from a chemtrail was tested... and they found barium... Which by the way can be used to suspend viruses..
Here is a news report.
Looks like Barium is used a virus suspender.. and or immune system suppresor


The first problem here is did his sample really came from a contrail released at 30K feet above him. A contrail at that altitude would not fall anywhere in his immediate vicinity, as it would drift on the atmosphere. So how is he correlating his sample with a contrail?

Secondly, Aluminum and Barium are commonly found just about everywhere. Aluminum, which is used in things like sheds and siding for houses, sheds a powder when it oxidizes that falls to the earth and is carried on the wind all over the place. Barium is used in things such as bricks, fireworks, rat poison, and mining, and again can be found just about anywhere.


Barium compounds, and especially barite (BaSO4), are extremely important to the petroleum industry. Barite is used in drilling mud, a weighting agent in drilling new oil wells.
Barium sulfate is used as a radiocontrast agent for X-ray imaging of the digestive system ("barium meals" and "barium enemas").
Barium carbonate is a useful rat poison and can also be used in making bricks. Unlike the sulfate, the carbonate dissolves in stomach acid, allowing it to be poisonous.
An alloy with nickel is used in spark plug wire.
Barium oxide is used in a coating for the electrodes of fluorescent lamps, which facilitates the release of electrons.
The metal is a "getter" in vacuum tubes, to remove the last traces of oxygen.
Barium carbonate is used in glassmaking. Being a heavy element, barium increases the refractive index and luster of the glass.
Barite is used extensively in rubber production.
Barium nitrate and chlorate give green colors in fireworks.
Impure barium sulfide phosphoresces after exposure to the light.
Lithopone, a pigment that contains barium sulfate and zinc sulfide, is a permanent white that has good covering power, and does not darken in when exposed to sulfides.
Barium peroxide can be used as a catalyst to start an aluminothermic reaction when welding rail tracks together. It can also be used in green tracer ammunition.
Barium titanate was proposed in 2007[2] to be used in next generation battery technology for electric cars.
Barium Fluoride is used in infrared applications.
Barium is a key element in YBCO superconductors.


Unless I missed it somewhere in that list, two things that barium is not used for are suspending viruses or suppressing the immune system.

Just the fact that this thread opened up with a faked picture should tell you that its not this side of the argument that is lying to you , it’s the chemtrail proponents. With all this in mind I would go so far as to say that either the person who ran that analysis either did not use a proper sample collection method, or they are straight out lying. As you have already seen, they are capable of making up false data simply to sell their snake oil.
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