posted on Jun, 9 2008 @ 04:10 PM
If the OP for this does not come back, there is NO proof one way or another. I would not blame anyone for going away after this murderer’s ball.
All too many microscopes and too few wide angles. Even less if any who combine the data. Myopia is one of the problems here.
I rarely come back to ATS now for the problems no one sees ,and no one wants to. Let's don’t fool ourselves. This site is not a research site.
Methods and over site are all based on rules for an entertainment venue so no one gets sued. Other than that it is a tar pit for real investigative
All are welcomed. That may sound good for entertainment, but for any scientifically rigorous research it is a train wreck of personalities, opinions,
emotional response and all under a set of rules that are inappropriate for true research.
First untruth is that there is no animosity in the common legal sense of the word. The demand, and it is a demand, for OP to divulge to mods without
knowing who these mods are is a lopsided and to some, a suspicious structure in itself. Suspicious in that the demand for proof is without proof of
animosity. There are no contracts in place. As such the claim would by legal standards only a suggestion, and not binding.
If I had truth and was waiting for something to transpire I could then show as truth, (“Give me a week” for example) the subsequent messy
dissection of everything I wrote and the diligent yet sometimes inappropriate investigation by those here with a talent for data digging but in most
cases a lack of a moral sense in divulging that to the group (at least to the Mod for record only), would dissuade me from thinking of saying anything
here. Many posters here I saw after such experiences never come back, or to turn such anxiety off and leave will fake a fake so they can go. This
then fuels the flawed practice here even more, i.e., "See, they did not come back, so it must be a hoax". And that is the scientific acumen at its
There are good and thoughtful researchers here, but the overshadowing of the posters who think their description of the universe is THEE description,
stating fraud with only proof that "there is no such thing" and, my favorites like “It’s too well written, or the photo looks too real” adds
so much anxiety to those already likely upset by their experience they only originally decided to share for hope of an ear attached to open mind. We
can forget for the moment the frauds, unless you yourself like being treated like a terrorist at every checkpoint. We should not judge you by that
acts of others. We will plan for proof yet keep sharp otherwise. Fear is not a good marker for such action.
Yea, there are hoaxes. Yea, there are truthful accounts. Yet how can you tell with such a flawed structure of operational protocols? It is chat, not
a laboratory or a court.
Finding the persons identification was a serious breach of trust in my opinion. Not in law, but in the “spirit of the law”. That is how big
business gets advantage, by following the cracks, semantic loopholes and openings in the law, not the spirit there to protect us. That it was
entertained by the MOD as even appropriate would be a problem too. It sets the reputation of ATS to a standard even below that of tabloid news
ATS is a fine discussion group site, but is not a proper research site. I would warn anyone from thinking this is a good place to do anything
serious. It’s unfortunate but true. We need a place for such badly.
Taking responsibility for this idea, several months ago I presented to staff such a structure ATS could adapt that would keep all in the loop, and
allow additional discussion off the main thread, but not corrupt more carefully managed investigative by approved ATS investigators who would be
trained appropriately in the law and investigative methodologies. ATS would then be able to more formally make real investigative public and follow
out properly a post suggesting such unusual and possibly earth shattering events without spooking the OP and losing any real potentially interesting
The first to do this in such an on-line social networking environment will not only be popular, but more than likely funded.
Unfortunately for this story, the entropy I described eventually destroyed the thread. So many times my frustration at resolution of such a thread
has compiled, so now I go elsewhere. The OP did everything as asked, and stuck to their sense of waiting so they themselves could believe with
certainty. No one had such a sense and waited and the thread talked itself off the road completely.