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Hitler Was NOT an Atheist and Humanism Does NOT Equal Communism

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posted on Jun, 8 2008 @ 02:45 PM
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The facts are easy -young impressionable dude. Just look in any history book at what humanist values have done and see millions of dead bodies and zero human rights. Its the philosophy of those that seek to control and enslave humanity not set it free. stop being a disinfo stooge




posted on Jun, 8 2008 @ 02:48 PM
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Originally posted by Yosimitie Sam
NWO


The facts are easy -young impressionable dude. Just look in any history book at what humanist values have done and see millions of dead bodies and zero human rights. Its the philosophy of those that seek to control and enslave humanity not set it free. stop being a disinfo stooge


You have once again shown that you have failed to do your research.

Go read a little, THEN come back and have a debate based on actual facts.



posted on Jun, 8 2008 @ 02:49 PM
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Facts bigbert I though you would never ask!

Here's some facts:



The triumph of secular humanism with its atheism, evolutionism and situation ethics has led to the rise of gangster statesmen such as Vladimir Lenin, Joseph Stalin, Mao Tse Tung, Fidel Castro, Pol Pot, Robert Mugabe and many more like them.

At least 180 million people have been killed by secular governments in the 20th Century. And that is a very conservative estimate. We are not here talking about people who have died in wars caused by secular humanist states, because that would massively increase the body count. No, over 180 million people have been killed by their own secular humanist governments in the 20th Century. The greatest threat to life in the 20th Century was not firearm accidents, or crime, or even wars! More people were killed by their own governments in peace time than were killed by foreign invaders in war time.

Dr. David Barrett, editor of the massive World Christian Encyclopaedia, and author of Cosmos, Chaos and Gospel, and Our Globe and How To Reach It, has documented that Soviet dictator Joseph Stalin was responsible for killing over 40 million people. Joseph Stalin closed down over 48 000 churches, and attempted the liquidation of the entire Christian Church.

Similarly, communist dictator of China Mao Tse Tung launched the Great Proletariat Cultural Revolution, ”History’s most systematic attempt ever, by a single nation, to eradicate and destroy Christianity…” Mao was responsible for killing about 72 million people.

The communist takeover of Cambodia in 1975 resulted in the death of up to 3 million people - a full third of the total population. When we add to these the death toll of communist regimes in Korea, Vietnam, Laos, Afghanistan, Ethiopia, Angola, Mozambique, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Cuba, and Zimbabwe, the body count is staggering.

As Dostoevsky so eloquently put it: ”If God is dead, then all things are possible!”
The Greatest Killer



posted on Jun, 8 2008 @ 03:04 PM
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"" Hitler Was NOT an Atheist""


That's right!!!

He was considered A GOOD CATHOLIC!!!!!

How's that for a ringing endorsement? Or is it?


Speaking of hitler, did you know that hitler never burned down a church, like was done in waco texas?

Is that more telling of hitler or of the feds?

Do you suppose that was why he was considered a "good catholic" or was it possibly something else?



Have a nice day...



posted on Jun, 8 2008 @ 03:22 PM
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Originally posted by bigbert81
I believe in Humanism, and people accuse me of following this same socialist path because Humanism doesn't normally allow room for God, however Hitler is a great example of a RELIGIOUS socialist, so therefore, wouldn't that make theism vs. atheism irrelevant?


Hitler was NOT a socialist!

I can't believe people still think this.

Hitler was a fascist, modeled after Mussolini. He was a far right wing dictator. He was the definition of fascism.


Simply stated, a fascist government always has one class of citizens that is considered superior (good) to another (bad) based upon race, creed or origin. It is possible to be both a republic and a fascist state. The preferred class lives in a republic while the oppressed class lives in a fascist state.

Source

'National Socialism' is fascism not socialism. The word national differentiates it from left socialism.


National Socialism was similar in many respects to Italian fascism (see FASCISM,). The roots of National Socialism, however, were peculiarly German, grounded, for example, in the Prussian tradition of military authoritarianism and expansion; in the German romantic tradition of hostility to rationalism, liberalism, and democracy; in various racist doctrines according to which the Nordic peoples, as so-called pure Aryans, were not only physically superior to other races, but were the carriers of a superior morality and culture; and in certain philosophical traditions that idealized the state or exalted the superior individual and exempted such a person from conventional restraints.

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Many conservatives accuse Hitler of being a leftist, on the grounds that his party was named "National Socialist." But socialism requires worker ownership and control of the means of production. In Nazi Germany, private capitalist individuals owned the means of production, and they in turn were frequently controlled by the Nazi party and state. True socialism does not advocate such economic dictatorship -- it can only be democratic. Hitler's other political beliefs place him almost always on the far right. He advocated racism over racial tolerance, eugenics over freedom of reproduction, merit over equality, competition over cooperation, power politics and militarism over pacifism, dictatorship over democracy, capitalism over Marxism, realism over idealism, nationalism over internationalism, exclusiveness over inclusiveness, common sense over theory or science, pragmatism over principle, and even held friendly relations with the Church, even though he was an atheist.

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Hitler used the words 'National Socialist' to fool the workers, who were almost exclusively socialist then, into believing that he was the party for them. It's the oldest trick in their book.

Do you believe bush when he says he's a Christian?
:

You shouldn't be so naive as to believe what any government calls itself to be what it really practices. Government is nothing more than a tool used by the elite to keep them wealthy and us creating their wealth. Lying to the population is the norm, and they are very skilled at it.


“one can understand the reaction only if one appreciates the degree to which words can assume a magical function, and if one takes into account the decrease in reasonable thought, that is to say, objectivity, which is so characteristic or our age. The irrational response which is evoked by the words Socialism and Marxism is furthered by an astounding ignorance on the part of most of those who become hysterical when they hear these words.” Erich Fromm


[edit on 8/6/2008 by ANOK]



posted on Jun, 8 2008 @ 03:26 PM
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Whammy, please, for the 100th time, stop posting biased crap like this that only tries to get people to see what they want (another thing the church is GREAT at).



More People Have Been Killed in the Name of Atheism & Secularism than Religion?

From Austin Cline,
Your Guide to Agnosticism / Atheism.
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Reversing Atheists' Critiques of Religious Violence:

A common criticism which atheists raise against religion is how violent religion and religious believers have been in the past. People have slaughtered each other in large numbers either because of differences in religious beliefs or because of other differences which are further justified and intensified through religious rhetoric. Either way, religion has a lot of blood on its hands. Can the same be said for atheists and atheism? Haven't atheists killed more people in the name of atheism than religious theists have killed in the name of their religion? No, because atheism isn't a philosophy or ideology.

How Many Have Been Killed by Communists in the Name of Atheism & Secularism?:

None, probably. How can that be? After all, millions and millions of people died in Russia and China under communist governments — and those governments were both secular and atheistic. So weren't all of those people killed because of atheism — even in the name of atheism and secularism? No, that conclusion does not follow. Atheism itself isn't a principle, cause, philosophy, or belief system which people fight, die, or kill for. Being by an atheist is no more being killed in the name of atheism than being killed by a tall person is being killed in the name of tallness. Communists Don't Kill in the Name of Atheism...

Hitler Was an Atheist Who Killed Millions in the Name of Atheism, Secularism:

A popular image of the Nazis is that they were fundamentally anti-Christian while devout Christians were anti-Nazi. The truth is that German Christians supported the Nazis because they believed that Adolf Hitler was a gift to the German people from God. Hitler frequently referenced God and Christianity both in public and private. The Nazi Party Program explicitly endorsed and promoted Christianity in the party platform. Millions of Christians in Germany not only enthusiastically supported and endorsed Hitler and the Nazis, but did so on the basis of common Christian beliefs and attitudes. Hitler Was Not an Atheist...

Isn't Atheism the Same as Communism? Doesn't Atheism Lead to Communism?:

A common complaint made by theists, typically those of the fundamentalist variety, is that atheism and/or humanism are essentially socialist or communist in nature. Thus, atheism and humanism should be rejected since socialism and communism are evil. Evidence indicates that bigotry and prejudice towards atheists in America is due in no small part to anti-communist activism by conservatives Christians in America, so this claimed connection has had serious consequences for American atheists. Atheism and Communism are Not the Same...

Militant Atheists are Atheist Fundamentalists, a New Atheism:

There seems to be an increasing number of people responding to atheist critiques of religion or theism by labeling the person a "fundamentalist" atheist. The label is problematic because there are no essential or "fundamental" beliefs for an atheist to be "fundamentalist" about. So why do people use the label? Why do so many people feel that the label is appropriate? This seems to be mostly due to misunderstandings about and prejudice against fundamentalism and the label cannot be applied to atheists. Fundamentalist Atheism / Atheistic Fundamentalism Does Not Exist...

Atheists are Intolerant for Criticizing Religion, Theism:

There are several myths here, all tightly intertwined for the apparent purpose of getting atheists to cease making uncomfortable and unwelcome criticisms of religion and theism. Religious believers, mostly Christians, are responding to atheistic critiques of religion by claiming that vocal, unapologetic atheists are analogous to religious terrorists and that criticism of religion is a form of religious intolerance. The implication is that believers shouldn't have to be faced with criticism. This is wrong: religion and theism aren't owed any deference or respect. Criticism of Religion & Theism is Not Intolerance...

Being Irreligious is Risky, Short-Sighted Behavior Like Crime:

Many associate atheism with anti-social and even criminal behavior, but such assertions are usually little more than that: bare assertions without substantiating evidence or arguments. The most people offer may be question-begging claims about religion and god being necessary for moral behavior. Here, however, we have a new twist which claims that there is a physiological, biological reason behind people - or at least men - rejecting religion and gods. Unfortunately, it's rife with flaws. Being Irreligious is Not Like Criminal Behavior...

If People Fail to Believe in God, They Will Believe in Anything:

Many religious theists think that their God creates or otherwise provides a set of objective standards against which they can measure all their beliefs, attitudes, behaviors, etc. Without their god, they can't imagine how anyone could possibly differentiate true from false beliefs, moral from immoral behaviors, proper from improper attitudes. Atheists who don't believe in any gods are thus capable of believing and doing absolutely anything, having nothing at all to hold them back. Will Atheists Believe in Anything?

SRC: atheism.about.com...

I highly recommend clicking on the link and reading the articles in full. You shouldn't listen to or take too seriously things that come out of Christian publications, as they most certainly have an agenda.

Not to mention, the author does not understand Humanism, nor does the author have the correct numbers. They are inflated and said in such a way to make people think what the author wants them to think, remember, it DOES come out of a Christian site.

Of course, if you ever visit China, you will find that Mao Tse Tung has many people who support him and his ideologies. There is no absolute right or wrong, it's relative to the society and culture. You're posts are appealing to my moralities, and many more here on ATS, but they are in no way the absolute correct ways. Morals and views such as this are relative to the society from which they come.

If you forget for 2 seconds about God, you will see where I'm coming from and what I'm saying.



posted on Jun, 8 2008 @ 03:27 PM
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You should see an anonymous post come through from me. I cleared my cookies and such, and forgot to close the ATS window, so the anonymous post will be me.



posted on Jun, 8 2008 @ 03:31 PM
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nice quote on Hitler.


...and even held friendly relations with the Church, even though he was an atheist.


Very interesting confirmation of my point. He used religious terms to propagandize the German people but Hitler was a an atheist. How could anyone that believed they would give an account of their life one day to God behave the way he did? Obviously he didn't believe it.



posted on Jun, 8 2008 @ 03:32 PM
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reply to post by toasted
 


For the love of God....

What is a Catholic?

And 'considered' by whom?



posted on Jun, 8 2008 @ 03:39 PM
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This is another debatable item, Anok. Here is a great article which contradicts what you've said:

Hitler Was A Socialist

It's a debate we could go on and on for, because there are of course contradictions to both sides.



posted on Jun, 8 2008 @ 03:49 PM
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Facts BIGBERT humanism is a NWO conspiracy to remove all human rights by making the public believe that morals and right s are relative - then there are no rights just Governmant opinion son.

you need to read and study son. You have been sold a LIE

Humanism is NWO


Proof is that secular humanist governments are killing machines.

Do the Math:

Prof. Rummel's calculations of 20th Century Democide: 262,000,000

* divide by 100 to get yearly average: 2,620,000 per year
* divide by 365 to get daily average: 7,178.08219178... per day

Rummel's numbers are not on the high side. Rummel does not include combat deaths and executions in his definition of "democide." STUDY
www.hawaii.edu...



posted on Jun, 8 2008 @ 03:54 PM
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"" What is a Catholic?

And 'considered' by whom? ""



1. It means universal; " Catholic is an adjective derived from the Greek adjective 'καθολικός' / 'katholikos', meaning "general" or "universal" .
en.wikipedia.org...

2. by "the church"...rome [ the self made so-called authority ]



posted on Jun, 8 2008 @ 04:02 PM
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Facts BIGBERT humanism is a NWO conspiracy to remove all human rights by making the public believe that morals and right s are relative - then there are no rights just Governmant opinion son.


Humanism is an NWO conspiracy is a fact? C'mon Sammy...

And I've never said anything about removing all human rights. You are confusing Humanism again. Humanism recognizes not only human freedoms but rights created by our societies as well. They don't believe in stripping people of their rights, please look a bit more into that, Sammy.



posted on Jun, 8 2008 @ 04:03 PM
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"" but Hitler was a an atheist. How could anyone that believed they would give an account of their life one day to God behave the way he did? Obviously he didn't believe it. ""

Funny that, eh?

Funny how that was obviously true, AND that "the church" considered him a good catholic as well!!!!!

And the contradictions pile up like the bodies of the Hugenots , [ Slaughter of Huguenots (Protestants) in Paris, 24 August-17 September 1572, and until 3 October in the provinces. About 25,000 people are believed to have been killed. When Catherine de' Medici's plot to have Admiral Coligny assassinated failed, she resolved to have all the Huguenot leaders killed, persuading her son Charles IX it was in the interest of public safety. ]

only to be remembered by those who know who the liars were and still are, but sadly remain unknown

by the masses who are following the pied pipers....



[edit on 8-6-2008 by toasted]



posted on Jun, 8 2008 @ 04:03 PM
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Catholicism is a type of Christianity. I've already covered that with Whammy. And for someone to be 'considered' a 'good Catholic', is just a person's opinion.



posted on Jun, 8 2008 @ 04:07 PM
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""And for someone to be 'considered' a 'good Catholic', is just a person's opinion. ""

WRONG AGAIN!!!!

It was the opinion of "the church", NOT a persons opinon!!!!!!




bert, time after time we point out the lies, but yet you persist, to be politically correct to your own detriment...



[edit on 8-6-2008 by toasted]



posted on Jun, 8 2008 @ 04:10 PM
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Originally posted by toasted
reply to post by bigbert81
 


bert, time after time we point out the lies, but yet you persist, to be politically correct to your own detriment...


You have not pointed out anything except for your own beliefs.

I've already gone over Hitler not being a Christian OR an Atheist. Those, believe it or not, are not the only two options an individual has. He was Religious.

It's a joke that people can only see one way and assume they've proven another wrong. Please, if you cannot understand what this thread is about, or that you are on the wrong path, leave.



posted on Jun, 8 2008 @ 04:17 PM
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It was the opinion of "the church", NOT a persons opinon!!!!!!


And you're getting after me for being politically correct...


The same holds true from what I've previously said. It's an opinion, not a fact.



posted on Jun, 8 2008 @ 04:27 PM
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Ok, since it seems to be taking forever to post my last response to this, I'll have to respond again.

Firstly, I've asked you to refrain from using sources from biased publications like Christian authors, like they don't have an agenda
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Second, the numbers that this author wants you to look at are inflated, only proving my point that the author is only interested in giving you what he/she wants so that you'll see things his/her way (another thing religion is famous for).

And not only does the author not know about Humanism, but here, take a look at this:



More People Have Been Killed in the Name of Atheism & Secularism than Religion?

From Austin Cline,
Your Guide to Agnosticism / Atheism.
FREE Newsletter. Sign Up Now!

Reversing Atheists' Critiques of Religious Violence:

A common criticism which atheists raise against religion is how violent religion and religious believers have been in the past. People have slaughtered each other in large numbers either because of differences in religious beliefs or because of other differences which are further justified and intensified through religious rhetoric. Either way, religion has a lot of blood on its hands. Can the same be said for atheists and atheism? Haven't atheists killed more people in the name of atheism than religious theists have killed in the name of their religion? No, because atheism isn't a philosophy or ideology.

How Many Have Been Killed by Communists in the Name of Atheism & Secularism?:

None, probably. How can that be? After all, millions and millions of people died in Russia and China under communist governments — and those governments were both secular and atheistic. So weren't all of those people killed because of atheism — even in the name of atheism and secularism? No, that conclusion does not follow. Atheism itself isn't a principle, cause, philosophy, or belief system which people fight, die, or kill for. Being by an atheist is no more being killed in the name of atheism than being killed by a tall person is being killed in the name of tallness. Communists Don't Kill in the Name of Atheism...

Hitler Was an Atheist Who Killed Millions in the Name of Atheism, Secularism:

A popular image of the Nazis is that they were fundamentally anti-Christian while devout Christians were anti-Nazi. The truth is that German Christians supported the Nazis because they believed that Adolf Hitler was a gift to the German people from God. Hitler frequently referenced God and Christianity both in public and private. The Nazi Party Program explicitly endorsed and promoted Christianity in the party platform. Millions of Christians in Germany not only enthusiastically supported and endorsed Hitler and the Nazis, but did so on the basis of common Christian beliefs and attitudes. Hitler Was Not an Atheist...

Isn't Atheism the Same as Communism? Doesn't Atheism Lead to Communism?:

A common complaint made by theists, typically those of the fundamentalist variety, is that atheism and/or humanism are essentially socialist or communist in nature. Thus, atheism and humanism should be rejected since socialism and communism are evil. Evidence indicates that bigotry and prejudice towards atheists in America is due in no small part to anti-communist activism by conservatives Christians in America, so this claimed connection has had serious consequences for American atheists. Atheism and Communism are Not the Same...

Militant Atheists are Atheist Fundamentalists, a New Atheism:

There seems to be an increasing number of people responding to atheist critiques of religion or theism by labeling the person a "fundamentalist" atheist. The label is problematic because there are no essential or "fundamental" beliefs for an atheist to be "fundamentalist" about. So why do people use the label? Why do so many people feel that the label is appropriate? This seems to be mostly due to misunderstandings about and prejudice against fundamentalism and the label cannot be applied to atheists. Fundamentalist Atheism / Atheistic Fundamentalism Does Not Exist...

Atheists are Intolerant for Criticizing Religion, Theism:

There are several myths here, all tightly intertwined for the apparent purpose of getting atheists to cease making uncomfortable and unwelcome criticisms of religion and theism. Religious believers, mostly Christians, are responding to atheistic critiques of religion by claiming that vocal, unapologetic atheists are analogous to religious terrorists and that criticism of religion is a form of religious intolerance. The implication is that believers shouldn't have to be faced with criticism. This is wrong: religion and theism aren't owed any deference or respect. Criticism of Religion & Theism is Not Intolerance...

Being Irreligious is Risky, Short-Sighted Behavior Like Crime:

Many associate atheism with anti-social and even criminal behavior, but such assertions are usually little more than that: bare assertions without substantiating evidence or arguments. The most people offer may be question-begging claims about religion and god being necessary for moral behavior. Here, however, we have a new twist which claims that there is a physiological, biological reason behind people - or at least men - rejecting religion and gods. Unfortunately, it's rife with flaws. Being Irreligious is Not Like Criminal Behavior...

If People Fail to Believe in God, They Will Believe in Anything:

Many religious theists think that their God creates or otherwise provides a set of objective standards against which they can measure all their beliefs, attitudes, behaviors, etc. Without their god, they can't imagine how anyone could possibly differentiate true from false beliefs, moral from immoral behaviors, proper from improper attitudes. Atheists who don't believe in any gods are thus capable of believing and doing absolutely anything, having nothing at all to hold them back. Will Atheists Believe in Anything?

SRC: atheism.about.com...

I highly suggest clicking on the link and reading each and every article fully, as these are only snippets of them.

Whammy, you are misled and confused, and you need to (for the 3rd time) start looking at the DIFFERENCES between the beliefs. There you will find that, like I've just said, you are confused.

Biased, religious, ill-researched articles like the one you've just posted are NOT helping your case.

Whoever wrote that article is wrong and has an agenda.

Also, this article appeals to yours and my morals which make it SOUND like a good argument, but it couldn't be further from the truth. Morals are developed through society, they are not magically discovered. If you go to China, you will see that Mao Tse Tung is considered a hero, yet you and I feel differently about it. There is no absolute right or wrong, it's made through society (although religion does a great job of making things black and white, good and evil, and makes people think that if others don't follow in their footsteps, they are wrong and will be condemned).

Good and evil are a matter of perception, and using this article to try and appeal to MY morals, is just plain shallow and not-thought-through at all.

[edit on 6/8/2008 by bigbert81]



posted on Jun, 8 2008 @ 04:28 PM
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Hitler was an Assyrian/Jew,He Genocided againt his own innocent Jews....
Just like every other powerhouse country been doing since day 1....
They make you worship science....
Russa which is Asshur,became a powerhouse in 3 years,just like every other country did,because assyrians went to country to country showing us science....

Hitler worships the SS which is ZS which is ZUES with no vowels!

Hitler thought he was God/Satan because he learned Science!
Learn True History!



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