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Black Dahlia killed by....cattle mutilators

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posted on Jun, 7 2008 @ 08:28 PM
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That's exactly it... it parallels cloud watching in every way. I don't understand this paranoia, he seems to think that aliens are everywhere crawling around all of us invisibly... unbelievable.




posted on Jun, 7 2008 @ 08:32 PM
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Well, have you ever heard of possesion and things like that?

If you were an alien and you wanted to hide wouldn't that be a perfect way to do so?

Who knows? I don't know but I try to examine every possibility and remember biblically satan was the Lord of the Air and air is a medium for electricity. I am not locked into any particular religious belief but I do like using biblical stuff sometimes as I think there are important truths hidden in the book.



posted on Jun, 7 2008 @ 08:38 PM
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Always listen to your dog, especially the part about the meaty bone. I suppose i am the crackpot on ats, i have been claiming continous alien contact on ats since December 13 of last year and i am still here. I am not a ufologist, i have seen UFO's, had them come to my house, let off passengers, etc. This isn't about that. It's about a native predator that has been reawakened by us. The soul is immortal, it goes on forever, you just lose your body along the way. The soul gets to retain its face (that is the seat of identity) but precious little else unless you have stored up your goods in heaven. Even the ancient Pharoahs that had their bodies mummified, kept the organs that had been removed, in stone jars for use in the afterlife. The souls drifting around get locked up into the elements, they become snow, rain, all the things that water does, and goes where the water goes. They are in the oil and gas that we run through our internal combustion engines. They are immortal, they can't be destroyed, just trapped. Normally it is an ongoing cycle with souls being released while others get trapped. Unfortunately the industrial revolution brought about an accelerated release of souls that haven't acclimatized themselves to new ways of thinking, especially along the lines of religion. To many of the recently released, sacrifice is the accepted way to reverence GOD.

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posted on Jun, 7 2008 @ 08:46 PM
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wow...deeep..
on a brighter note, checkout my picture! i made notes on it.



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posted on Jun, 7 2008 @ 09:10 PM
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Originally posted by Osiris1953
I firmly believe that everyone on ATS has the right to voice their individual opinions, but this thread is just ridiculous. I believe in many oddities that seem to exist in the world yet the ideas that have proposed here are utterly unfathomable. At the very least please stop posting pixelated pictures that show absolutely nothing to the rest of us. As was suggested you may have a different perception of reality OP, but considering most of us have what would be considered a normal perception of reality, you may need to momentarily conform in order to get your point across.

The pictures of geologic formations are just that, and to suggest otherwise undermines the intelligence of everyone who decided to sift through this thread. Admittedly the prospect of flying a mountain is quite intriguing..... but it ain't gonna happen. If you said Cheyenne mountain could fly, I'd almost believe it.....

Anyhow, unfortunately I don't have access to my copy of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental disorders at this moment, so a brief synopsis of the Diagnostic criteria posted on Wikipedia will have to suffice.... so with any further delay here is all I truly have left to mention to the readers of this thread, and most importantly the OP.

"DSM IV-TR Criteria

To be diagnosed with schizophrenia, a person must display:[4]

* Characteristic symptoms: Two or more of the following, each present for a significant portion of time during a one-month period (or less, if successfully treated)
o delusions
o hallucinations
o disorganized speech (e.g., frequent derailment or incoherence; speaking in abstracts). See thought disorder.
o grossly disorganized behavior (e.g. dressing inappropriately, crying frequently) or catatonic behavior
o negative symptoms, i.e., affective flattening (lack or decline in emotional response), alogia (lack or decline in speech), or avolition (lack or decline in motivation)."

Though the last two symptoms cannot be confirmed or denied in this case since none of us know the OP personally, I think many of us can agree that the first three can be quite applicable in this scenario. Though the delusions that have been apparent in the course of this thread aren't necessarily considered bizarre by psychiatric standards.... at the very least much could be precursers to a serious mental disorder(s). This is not meant to be insulting, but given the circumstances this should be a real concern of not only the OP, but of his family. Best of luck, if the OP is currently prescribed any psychiatric medicines I urge him to stay on them. All to often, especially with patients that have disorders relating to schizophrenia they begin to believe that since they drugs alleviate much of their symptoms that they do not need to be medicated anymore and quite using.... and less severe symptoms like shown in this thread begin to become apparent. The problem is they generally spiral out of control after that. Including delusions that someone has removed vital organs from his/her body without their knowledge and they somehow live on magically.

Though I wasn't able to afford to finish my schooling I at least have an AA in both psychology and sociology. I may not be 100% knowledgeable in all things relating to psychological disorders, and I urge the OP to see someone immediately. Again this isn't meant as in insult, this should be a very real concern.



As you remember I have mentioned this before... and I'm sure your a nice guy that means well debris, but I'm afraid you have a very real problem. Please seek medical attention. Again, this is not an insult, but you obviously don't operate in a way that is even remotely like the average human being. Please, this is not a personal attack, at least get evaluated by a professional.



posted on Jun, 7 2008 @ 09:12 PM
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haha! That one does look like Obama!!
Does that mean??? Our first alien president.



posted on Jun, 7 2008 @ 09:14 PM
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Hey blimpseeker, i would love to check out your picture but it doesn't seem to be there. Osiris, i'm not paranoid, never have been. I don't think anyone is out to get me and i KNOW aliens (or souls) are all around all of us. I don't call you names nor disparage your intellect because you can't see them. This is not a simple subject that can be explained nor categorized in a single paragraph. I am speaking to a lot of different people and am trying to do it in a manner that all can understand. No one has all the answers but that doesn't mean we should stop looking. Elizabeth Short did not begin at her death, she was not killed because she was hated. Elizabeth was known to these entities from her childhood, as were her mother and sisters. How do i know this? I examined her childhood photographs from Massachusetts. What you know about the dahlia depends on which author you read or which movie you watched. They did not care about the truth, they wanted you to buy their book or pay to watch their movie. The truth of Elizabeth Short is in her pictures. She was not a prostitute nor a lesbian, nor a porn star. She was a young woman trying to make it alone in L.A. She had a physical deformity known then as a "short vagina" sex was not an option and she knew it. She was technically a virgin at her death, the coroners verdict found no semen in her but did find feces in her stomach. In my opinion this occured at the time she was severed.



posted on Jun, 7 2008 @ 09:28 PM
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err...was that (eek) human feces?




posted on Jun, 7 2008 @ 09:28 PM
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Yes we are all searching for the truth. The problem is, there is nothing abnormal in the photos you post. Never has been, and there never will be. I appreciate your enthusiasm, but you have yet to provide any type of proof of anything you claim other than some ramblings. I really think you should have yourself checked out. I have never said this to another member of ATS besides you, and I hope I never feel the need again. There are many people that have far out theories here, some of them are interesting, others not... but your posts and threads have to be categorized as something different altogether. I'm not calling you names, I'm not putting you down, but some people have very real mental health issues and it's not anyone's fault, let alone yours. Only you can admit that you have a problem. I wish you the best of luck sir, and I won't bother you any further, but at least consider seeing someone, even if only once.



posted on Jun, 7 2008 @ 09:57 PM
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Elizabeth was missing for six days, no clue to her whereabouts was ever brought forward. No motive was ever advanced as to her death in such a horrific manner. What could she have possibly done to deserve such punishment? Have you ever studied the face of the murdered dahlia? Great care was taken in rearranging her facial structure to resemble that of the face on the Shroud of Turin. Human's, sacrificing the Son of God to the Father, God. This was the influence that existed in that time period. I grew up in the 1950's, it was a vastly different time, you did not take the name of the Lord in vain and you belonged to a church. Your reputation was the most important thing you owned and you protected it. T.V. was very new and a luxury. The refrigerator changed modern life, you could actually store food for more than a day. The washing machine allowed women more free time to do other things. The automobile became the main draw for the opposite sex, it could take you places you couldn't walk to in a short period of time. The old way was dying and the new way suddenly became the "best" way. The war was over. There were a lot of men who had been killing their fellow man for four years.



posted on Jun, 7 2008 @ 10:19 PM
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unfortunately blimpseeker it was human feces. Reading the coroners questioning, i was surprised how how quickly it skipped over the severance, they spent much longer talking about the damage done to her head. I interpreted the rearrangement of her facial features to be a message from the killers. Synchronicity comes into play for me at this time. I had downloaded a picture of the face in the shroud of turin and the police photo of dahlia's battered face. As luck would have it, they ended up side by side in my photo files, they were nearly identical. To me it was an epiphany, Elizabeth Short was a sacrifice. Everything about her death was a ritual, the body cleaned, the blood drained, the positioning of the body. The number of entities that were present, there were thousands of them, it was a major religious ceremony. The "soul" of Elizabeth Short was taken into the community that sacrificed her. To them, being a sacrifice to God was the most important honor to which a human can attain.



posted on Jun, 7 2008 @ 10:21 PM
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I believe you had related that these entities are the Dejin or in the New Testament they are the "legion" that were cast into swine.

Do you have any other proof besides your photos? As you see photo's are not rewally proof here on ATS.

You said that you helped to investigate crimes with the Sheriffs dept. in Tennessee?

You need to present more facts.




The Djinn are said to be creatures with free will, made from 'smokeless fire' by God, in the same way humans were made of earth. According to the Qur'an, Djinn have free choice, and Iblis used this freedom in front of God by refusing to bow to Adam when God told Iblis to do so. By refusing to obey God’s order he was thrown out of the Paradise and called “Shaitan” (See Shaitan and Satan). In the Qur'an, Djinn are frequently mentioned. Sura 72 of the Holy Qur'an (named Al-Jinn) is entirely about them. Another Sura (Al-Naas) mentions the Djinn in the last verse. It is also mentioned in the Qur'an that Muhammad was sent as a prophet to both “humanity and the Djinn”.
en.wikipedia.org...




"My name is Legion, for we are many." New Testament Book Of Mark
en.wikipedia.org...





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posted on Jun, 7 2008 @ 10:40 PM
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I am in no way a expert in these matters and I do see your point of view as being somewhat valid if indeed you were aware of Debris in a personal or clinical way.

With that in mind I want to see what Debris "sees'...he, as far as I can tell he is not violent....

And let me pose this question to Debris....do you have any history of violence? Please help us to know who you are so we can form an opinion based upon more then a few photo's.

Also, Debris, please let us know exactly how you were involved with local law authority?

Peace
WR






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posted on Jun, 7 2008 @ 11:03 PM
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How was it put, i see aliens all around me? See the girl in the picture? She says she is Eliz. Short, i think a part of her is but the majority is the community that sacrificed her. Notice she has appendages. I am not going to pretend i know all that is going on with these "people", they have their own existance and i have mine. I can understand on an intellectual level some of their actions but i can't really "experience them" as they do.

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posted on Jun, 7 2008 @ 11:43 PM
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(Mark 5) They came to the other side of the sea, to the country of the Gerasenes. 2 And when he had stepped out of the boat, immediately a man out of the tombs with an unclean spirit met him. 3 He lived among the tombs; and no one could restrain him any more, even with a chain; 4 for he had often been restrained with shackles and chains, but the chains he wrenched apart, and the shackles he broke in pieces; and no one had the strength to subdue him. 5 Night and day among the tombs and on the mountains he was always howling and bruising himself with stones. 6 When he saw Jesus from a distance, he ran and bowed down before him; 7 and he shouted at the top of his voice, "What have you to do with me, Jesus, Son of the Most High God? I adjure you by God, do not torment me." 8 For he had said to him, "Come out of the man, you unclean spirit!" 9 Then Jesus asked him, "What is your name?" He replied, "My name is Legion; for we are many." 10 He begged him earnestly not to send them out of the country. 11 Now there on the hillside a great herd of swine was feeding; 12 and the unclean spirits begged him, "Send us into the swine; let us enter them." 13 So he gave them permission. And the unclean spirits came out and entered the swine; and the herd, numbering about two thousand, rushed down the steep bank into the sea, and were drowned in the sea. 14 The swineherds ran off and told it in the city and in the country. Then people came to see what it was that had happened. 15 They came to Jesus and saw the demoniac sitting there, clothed and in his right mind, the very man who had had the legion; and they were afraid. 16 Those who had seen what had happened to the demoniac and to the swine reported it.
How do the Djinn influence persons? The demonica in the Book of Mark was very strong and he wept and wailed among the tombstones until the Christ cast out legion.

Do you feel the way this man did?

Quote is from NT Book of Mark.

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posted on Jun, 7 2008 @ 11:43 PM
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When i speak of the shroud of turin, this is the image i carry in my mind. The entities that make up this image are the entities i see. It is for this reason that i cannot accept your evaluation that i am insane. Have you ever seen the t.v. commercial that goes.....i'm not a doctor, but i play one on t.v.....? The one option that you omitted is........i am correct and i am telling the truth. I'm old school, i understand honor an i practice it.



posted on Jun, 8 2008 @ 12:09 AM
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do you think someone like a doctor....ie.Dr. Walter Alonzo Bayley ...had been infuenced by the Djinn to mutilate Elizabeth Short.

I find this very, very disturbing,



posted on Jun, 8 2008 @ 12:09 AM
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Yes..I see some of what you see in your pictures. I see an image of a woman in the second one above.

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posted on Jun, 8 2008 @ 12:38 AM
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The truth is people believe what they believe independent of facts. I could say i am a good man and be lying or the converse. That happens to be one of my favorite bits of scripture, i don't run (i no longer can) and i don't howl. In fact i am the happiest person i know. My joy comes from within, it is a pure thing with malice toward none. They are djinn, but they are other things also. You can't just hang a label on them and think you know them. We have a solid existence, our right arm is always, our right arm. The same is true for the rest of our body. It is not true of these people, they might be the head today and the butt tomorrow. Those things make them "alien" to us. Everything is a tradeoff, we are physical and can move things. They are not physical and cannot move things except by joint effort. You have to participate with the group if you want the group to help you fulfill your needs/desires. I spent six years as a deputy sheriff, i held the rank of captain and was in charge of detectives.



posted on Jun, 8 2008 @ 12:42 AM
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Debris?
Please would you take some time to circle a few of the 'creatures' you see in the photos?
I am looking and looking and I am missing them & I need some guidance. I have asked this of you before in the skinwalker thread and I was ignored, so I wonder if there is something wrong with my asking for this guidance from you?

I also did NOT see any kind of face in the cows head that has its eye cut out....I looked and looked....

...I see a dark haired girl in the above photo to but what does the original un colored picture look like? I bet there is a dark haired woman in that photo to begin with....so we are NOT seeing something 'hidden' in the picture.

The one right above this post here there is CLEARLY a man on the right side close to the lense.....is that a picture of you perchance? I just wonder.....



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