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Somebody Please Explain the Link Between Freemasons, Illuminati and Occultists

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posted on Jun, 7 2008 @ 11:46 AM
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Somebody Please Explain the Link Between Freemasons, Illuminati and Occultists.

I am a bit confused and others with more knowledge can help out. OK, Freemasons have 33 degrees. If you go higher than this you are Illuminati, right? One way of missing out the Freemason degrees altogether is to be in a coven or Druidic group where you can quickly rise to Master level and then you rise in the ranks of the Illuminati. Would this be correct?

Also, the top Illuminati are the Rockefellers, Rothschilds and top American families. Royal families of Europe are also included in this group. Tony Blair is apparently a Rosicrucian, Gordon Brown is a Freemason and George Bush is Illuminati from the Skull and Bones. Right so far?

The Cold War was a sham, World Wars were to faciitate the creation of an Israeli state with the help of the Illuminati. Other wars have taken place to ensure the rights of Western countries to the mineral wealth of others from which the Illuminati will benefit financially.

The 2012 scenario is an engineered financial collapse which uses Environmental concerns as a convenient excuse so that the world finally resorts to a Communist-like structure with a few thousand bosses and billions of slaves. The slaves will be microchipped and psychologically profiled to prevent any 'trouble' or resistance.

I just find the whole scenario a bit difficult to believe. From my experience, incompetence is the order of the day in these societies not amazingly ordered change and planning. Despite Bilderberg, the CFR and the Trilateral Commission there must be people who slip through the net like Bill Gates for example.

However, if the Illuminati are in charge, how come the Freemasons state their ignorance, despite their possible role as a Secret Police in the 2012 scenario?

Someone enlighten me please.




posted on Jun, 7 2008 @ 12:42 PM
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There are a large number of incorrect assumptions or statements here and I'm not good at explaining this; so, will dig up website URLs that explain it better and come back to post again.

The Illuminati and the Masons are not the same entity. In fact, whether or not the TRUE entity from the line of the original Illuminati still exists or not is speculative at best.

I have no idea how you got Druids tossed in the scrambled picture.

I'll try to help you; but, hopefully somebody else will help instead of me as this is one big scrambled up picture.



posted on Jun, 7 2008 @ 01:10 PM
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Okay, found a single link that might answer most of your questions.

en.wikipedia.org...

Later on, after you know the 'basics'; you can dabble further into fringe theories. For now though, pay attention to the Bavarian Illuminati section of that page.

Once you've followed the links and understand it well ... then you might want to move on to the next section called Modern Illuminati. Within this section you'll notice all the "occult" elements you asked about. I won't spoil the fun of your research ... but, will say you'll find the end of the line in the OTO.

I learned about the Illuminati before most of you on this board were born or out of diapers. The wiki link does tell it as I learned it.

The Masons highest level is 3rd. They have 33 degrees. Degrees are NOT a social hierarchy ranking system. Here's an analogy. You can have a Mayor (3rd level Mason) with a Doctorate in Jurisprudence (33 degrees Mason) or you can have a Mayor (3rd level Mason) with a 6th grade education (1 degree).

I'll run dig up one more thing for you to study; but, you have enough here to keep you busy until I get back.



posted on Jun, 7 2008 @ 01:48 PM
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I can't thank you enough for the explanation. However, it seems that Freemasonry is central to a number of occult organisations. I have been informed by another ATS stalwart that Winston Churchill had become a Druidic Mason and the words society of Wise Men or Ancients were used to describe his 'conversion.' I am still reading the link...



posted on Jun, 7 2008 @ 02:23 PM
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You're welcome and I'm glad others are helping you too.

The Illuminati and the New World Order are two of the most misunderstood topics. Notice I said topics, because the NWO never was an organization. The NWO was a political concept sort of, a cache phrase, a buzz word. en.wikipedia.org... It is interesting to note though, that the first President Bush made a speech exactly 11 years to the day before 911 titled "Toward a New World Order" en.wikisource.org...

The fringe theorists tossed a load of separate ideas, theories, and hypothesis into a bucket and stirred ... and came out with all the gobbledy-gook we now see.

Fringe Theories include the following which should be read in sequence ... after you understand what the Illuminati was and how to delineate the original facts from the fringe theories tagged onto the topic in the past decade.:
en.wikipedia.org...
www.bibliotecapleyades.net...
www.bibliotecapleyades.net...
www.bibliotecapleyades.net...
www.rense.com...
Those 5 links above I dug up for you because you had confused Druids as rulers of the Illuminati.
There are many organizations claiming to be Illuminati. None truly are though. The confusion starts when a member of the original Bavarian Illuminati also joins something else ... and so on. It's like you can be a member of the YMCA AND a member of The American Legion at the same time; but, that does NOT make the American Legion the ruler of the YMCA nor visa-versa. Put the eggs in the baskets ... then you have a pile of eggs that belong to two or more baskets ... which basket do you put the eggs in?

People who like "power" would probably join several of the power broker organizations.

What is real is the CFR and the Bilderbergers. They are some of the power-brokers.

The Tri-Lateral Commission is not in this category really. It's a whole different ball of wax and is related to Europe-Japan-USA as the triangle in basically a marketing agreement.

The occult symbolism is shared; basically because a member of THIS joins or founds THAT and 'borrows' the symbols for their own newer organization.



posted on Jun, 11 2008 @ 07:23 AM
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I consider myself an Occultist,
and I am not quite sure how we fit in to coincide with the Free Masonery ?

That's actually the reason why I clicked on this in the first place,
I don't have high thoughts regarding the Free Masons,
or many other set beliefs/religions/cults/etc

So humour me,
I'm not quite used to coming across something
I have not yet heard about concerning the Occult.



posted on Jun, 11 2008 @ 05:46 PM
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Originally posted by 8.nyx.8
I consider myself an Occultist,
and I am not quite sure how we fit in to coincide with the Free Masonery ?

That's actually the reason why I clicked on this in the first place,
I don't have high thoughts regarding the Free Masons,
or many other set beliefs/religions/cults/etc

So humour me,
I'm not quite used to coming across something
I have not yet heard about concerning the Occult.


I am not trying to humour anyone-I am just trying to understand the connection. I think the answer probably lies in people crossing the boundaries and being members of several organisations at the same time.
However, I didi come across this if you believe it:


Halloween is an appropriate time to learn that a "Grand Druid Council" of 13 "Witches" control the Illuminati, and meets eight times annually on the "Witches' Sabbaths" (incl. Halloween) when millions of occult practitioners engage in orgies, which sometimes involve human sacrifice.

My source is the highest Illuminati defector in history, a Witch High Priest, a member of the Council of Thirteen, and part of the Collins Illuminati bloodline that brought Witchcraft to the US in the 17th Century.

He casts the Illuminati as a vast, highly-organized and powerful occult conspiracy that holds mankind in a satanic vice.

The Illuminati are "thousands of different conspiracies operating in parallel," he says. For example, the vows and initiation rites of witchcraft closely mirror Freemasonry.

His name is John Todd (also Cristopher Kollyns). In 1972, when Todd was "saved," and exposed the Illuminati, he ruled a 13-state US region consisting of 5000 covens, i.e. totaling 65,000 priests and priestesses. That's just the ministers, not the congregation.



Also, Crowley set up the OTO where there also appears to be a crossover between the members of various organisations. I can accept that they are quite separate organisations though...



posted on Jun, 13 2008 @ 06:29 AM
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Freemasonry, the Illuminati and other associated organisations all worship Lucifer and they're based off the Babylonian Talmud and the Jewish Kabalah that is why they along with the Zionists have the same goal of having Israel as this utopia place for themselves. Israel is where they'll have the world government. As for the Vatican connection they're involved with the Jesuits and Opus Dei and most are either Freemasons or Knights of Malta, Knights of Columbus, Knights Templar and so they all just have at the root of their foundation this goal for a World Government to be established in Israel.



posted on Oct, 6 2008 @ 12:01 PM
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Are you people insane LOL.. I have never read such garbage in my life... Someone tells you something negative and you seem to pick up that ball and run with it...



posted on Apr, 9 2010 @ 09:11 PM
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So who would join freemasonry blindly, would you join a club that won’t let you know anything about them, my question was presented to a mason “why should I join, what’s in it for me” the reply was – “we do favours in exchange for favours, this is common knowledge, usually favours are for cash “ .......................................?



posted on Apr, 10 2010 @ 12:37 AM
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Well,I swear every time a discussion about freemasonry comes up it is just Catholics bashing them.

In case you do not know the Catholic church does not like Masons and has told churches not to allow those who belong to not attend Mass.

The fraternal organization for Catholics is the Knights of Columbus.

Though the Catholic church as a secretive pedophile organization disgusting itself as a religious organization is rather odd.

The Shrine is the higher organization than 33 degree Mason.

They do good including operating Shrine Childrens hospitals all over the U.S.

All paid for by donations from Shriner's.

All that is required is that the child be referred there by a Shriner.

They will except children of any race,nationality or religion.

There is no discrimination from them.



posted on Apr, 12 2010 @ 05:15 PM
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Originally posted by Phazon
Freemasonry, the Illuminati and other associated organisations all worship Lucifer...


What if I do not believe in The Devil/Satan (who I assume you mean by Lucifer)? How can I worship something that does not exist for me?



posted on Oct, 22 2011 @ 10:47 AM
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Druids are used as confiders, and Consultants to any illuminati or Masons out there nowadays, We have the clarvoyance and Logic required to make there descisions. its a ass backwards mafia, The middle guys give orders and the big guys take them out.



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posted on Oct, 26 2011 @ 01:58 PM
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First, a number of our Founding Fathers and Signers of the Declaration of Independence were Freemasons. There is nothing inherently wrong with Freemasonry, spiritually speaking. But that is where the Illuminati come in. Adam Weishaupt is said to have founded the Illuminati on May 1, 1776, based on the Masonic system of degrees and the symbolism and ancient religion and occultic practices. Masons and orthodox Christians fight over the occultic stuff. Illuminati are Satanic and have inverted all the symbols and teachings of the Masons. So, Illuminati is somewhat embedded within the Masonic structure. There are family bloodlines associated with the Illuminati. This is where the Rothschild and Rockefeller conspiracies come in. What you need to know is the Illuminati is the perversion of truth, but the Masons are the deeper initiatic mysteries associated with more than one religion. Illuminati know these things and use them for evildoing and for greed and power.
The NWO is that which the Illuminati, the Bilderbergs, the CFR, TC, Club of Rome, the UN, are all building in their power structure of ruling the world as a One World Totalitarian communist/socialist/globalist perverted system, with the Bloodline family elite as rulers.
Now we have the Vatican announcement of their support for a Central World Bank and one world currency. See, the Vatican is even tied in. It is the false church, and I believe outpicturing of Revelation.



posted on Nov, 1 2011 @ 07:39 AM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
First, a number of our Founding Fathers and Signers of the Declaration of Independence were Freemasons. There is nothing inherently wrong with Freemasonry, spiritually speaking. But that is where the Illuminati come in. Adam Weishaupt is said to have founded the Illuminati on May 1, 1776, based on the Masonic system of degrees and the symbolism and ancient religion and occultic practices. Masons and orthodox Christians fight over the occultic stuff.
You're good up to this point, then you start making stuff up…

Illuminati are Satanic and have inverted all the symbols and teachings of the Masons.
Nonsense. The Bavarian Illuminati under Weishaupt were neither satanic nor luciferian. They simply thought the Catholic church held too much power and thought that men should not live under the control of tyrants, kings or popes. They were democratic, and slightly anarchistic, and certainly against the pope, so of course they were labeled as "satanists". Same thing happened to the Templars 400 years earlier…


There are family bloodlines associated with the Illuminati.
No, there really aren't. Springmier's book is a crock. There are obvious falsehoods on just about every page…
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posted on Nov, 1 2011 @ 07:49 AM
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From what I've seen, it appears that the connection between Masons, Illuminati, and Occultists exists only in the minds of people who just can't accept that the world could get as messed up as it is without having been purposely steered in that direction by certain groups for nefarious purposes.

Of course, that's just my opinion.



posted on Nov, 3 2011 @ 09:17 AM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
First, a number of our Founding Fathers and Signers of the Declaration of Independence were Freemasons. There is nothing inherently wrong with Freemasonry, spiritually speaking. But that is where the Illuminati come in.
No, You see Druids are where the spirituality comes in, Since king arthur and merlin were around NO ONE Has trusted liked or even ascociated with druids because they are believed to have knowlage pools large enough to break you down, Now...Dont you think that illuminati would worry aobut a group that hates them if they could have a group of people who have been consultants to kings and queens, Lived off the land and learned the land for 10 years, Did the same in town and all this, Why is it that druids were THE ONLY ONES WITH A HIGH LIFE EXPECTANCY at that time when everyone else died at 50...The Masons, were simply a Governmential Group created under somone who wasnt all there due to lack of knowlage about the substances around them in that time period, That is how alot of power hunger and Mania started back then.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus Illuminati are Satanic and have inverted all the symbols and teachings of the Masons. So, Illuminati is somewhat embedded within the Masonic structure.
Again NO! the major illuminati simbol is on the american bill, The Pyramid with the eye, The illuminati were considered "Satanic" because they are Pagan...They have egyptian beliefs, Why the Vadiacan and churches hate us so much is because well...I talk to templars and THEY ARE STILL IN THE VADICAN they just branced off so that the church didnt become too powerfull and the pope wasnt being blamed for the Templars doing...since i heard the word illuminati as a 10 year old child ive studied them the templars the masons the druze the Druids ect. i myself and a druid, i strive for knowlage, and this next quote is something that poped up for me sorry JoshNorton.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus There are family bloodlines associated with the Illuminati. This is where the Rothschild and Rockefeller conspiracies come in.
Well...i can honestly say i am part of a blood line of druids, Blood lines of druids tend to lead back to illuminati or Masonic runins, about 40 years ago i had illuminati in my family, about 70 years ago i had masons in my family, And about 300 years ago i had templars in my family...honestly a blood line is broken but it can be folowed, Why we call it "Imposible" now is because Forensic scientists arnt Physicists they dont "JUST KNOW" that EVERYTHING is "Improbable" untill proven IMPOSIBLE in your lifetime/Vacinity because we change an outcome from observing, We freeze the molecule in time so we observe changing the outcome.

My final statemen is that The Illuminati are: People who own banks and want to own the world by manipulating anyone they can.
Masons: people who strive for truth and Justice
Templars: "Killing in the name of"
and Druids: Sheldons in the making (Knowlage hogs)



posted on May, 19 2015 @ 01:43 AM
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The people that David Icke and Alex Jones call "the Illuminati" are NOT the Illuminati; those people controlling things and pulling strings have deliberately put that name out for themselves in order to diminish the name of their enemy. It is a giant false flag to believe that the bankers and Hollywood people are Illuminated.

I am not a member of the Illuminati, but I am a Master Mason and Knight Templar. So this is my opinion only.

The Illuminati is an idea propagated through different groups and under different names throughout world history. Their main goal is to overthrow tyranny and awaken human potential in the Gnostic or Hermetic sense of the term. At one point, the Freemasons were part of this larger umbrella but this is no longer the case necessarily. Freemasons were very active in both the French and American revolutions and, in a sense, the United States of America is a Mason institution more than any other kind.

HOWEVER. I believe the Freemasons were infiltrated. I know without question that at one point, Freemasonry contained the real truths of human enlightenment and knowledge. The hints as to those truths still exist in the ritual, but only the skeleton remains. The real truths taught in Masonry are being actively suppressed by its leadership, which is why I believe we were infiltrated.

Specifically, the Grand Archivist of the Scottish Rite (an appendant Masonic body to which I do not belong but most likely will some day) is doing everything in his power to gut the SR rituals and convince the Masonic Masses that there are no secrets beyond what is revealed during the ritual. It is not true. Albert Pike knew the truth. Henry Clausen also knew the truth and his work has been deliberately removed from our libraries.

Masons can still discover the truth. I did and I have only been a part for a short while. However it requires a lot of independent research, open minded thinking and a degree of luck as well. Remember this, to any other Masons out there seeking the truth of what it is they are doing--if you put out the intention to find, if you are not satisfied by explanations given, then the right people will make themselves known to you and may invite you to partake in the true Masonic tradition which is hidden from 95-99% of Masons.

I am not talking about the secrets of the structure of Masonry or its political involvements--I am far too low a level to have knowledge of such things. But all the hints you need are contained within the Blue Lodge ritual.

There was a turn around 15 years ago when it stopped being about Enlightenment, as was its foundation, and became a social and charity club instead.
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posted on May, 19 2015 @ 02:00 AM
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originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus


What if I do not believe in The Devil/Satan (who I assume you mean by Lucifer)? How can I worship something that does not exist for me?



Than I guess you would be illuminati or freemason...?
This isn't about whether you believe in a devil or a god. It still doesn't take away what these illuminati personnel believe themselves.🙊



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