Somebody Please Explain the Link Between Freemasons, Illuminati and Occultists.

I am a bit confused and others with more knowledge can help out. OK, Freemasons have 33 degrees. If you go higher than this you are Illuminati, right? One way of missing out the Freemason degrees altogether is to be in a coven or Druidic group where you can quickly rise to Master level and then you rise in the ranks of the Illuminati. Would this be correct?

Also, the top Illuminati are the Rockefellers, Rothschilds and top American families. Royal families of Europe are also included in this group. Tony Blair is apparently a Rosicrucian, Gordon Brown is a Freemason and George Bush is Illuminati from the Skull and Bones. Right so far?

The Cold War was a sham, World Wars were to faciitate the creation of an Israeli state with the help of the Illuminati. Other wars have taken place to ensure the rights of Western countries to the mineral wealth of others from which the Illuminati will benefit financially.

The 2012 scenario is an engineered financial collapse which uses Environmental concerns as a convenient excuse so that the world finally resorts to a Communist-like structure with a few thousand bosses and billions of slaves. The slaves will be microchipped and psychologically profiled to prevent any 'trouble' or resistance.

I just find the whole scenario a bit difficult to believe. From my experience, incompetence is the order of the day in these societies not amazingly ordered change and planning. Despite Bilderberg, the CFR and the Trilateral Commission there must be people who slip through the net like Bill Gates for example.

However, if the Illuminati are in charge, how come the Freemasons state their ignorance, despite their possible role as a Secret Police in the 2012 scenario?

Someone enlighten me please.

I consider myself an Occultist,
and I am not quite sure how we fit in to coincide with the Free Masonery ?

That's actually the reason why I clicked on this in the first place,
I don't have high thoughts regarding the Free Masons,
or many other set beliefs/religions/cults/etc

So humour me,
I'm not quite used to coming across something
I have not yet heard about concerning the Occult.

Originally posted by 8.nyx.8
I consider myself an Occultist,
and I am not quite sure how we fit in to coincide with the Free Masonery ?

That's actually the reason why I clicked on this in the first place,
I don't have high thoughts regarding the Free Masons,
or many other set beliefs/religions/cults/etc

So humour me,
I'm not quite used to coming across something
I have not yet heard about concerning the Occult.

I am not trying to humour anyone-I am just trying to understand the connection. I think the answer probably lies in people crossing the boundaries and being members of several organisations at the same time.
However, I didi come across this if you believe it:

Halloween is an appropriate time to learn that a "Grand Druid Council" of 13 "Witches" control the Illuminati, and meets eight times annually on the "Witches' Sabbaths" (incl. Halloween) when millions of occult practitioners engage in orgies, which sometimes involve human sacrifice.

My source is the highest Illuminati defector in history, a Witch High Priest, a member of the Council of Thirteen, and part of the Collins Illuminati bloodline that brought Witchcraft to the US in the 17th Century.

He casts the Illuminati as a vast, highly-organized and powerful occult conspiracy that holds mankind in a satanic vice.

The Illuminati are "thousands of different conspiracies operating in parallel," he says. For example, the vows and initiation rites of witchcraft closely mirror Freemasonry.

His name is John Todd (also Cristopher Kollyns). In 1972, when Todd was "saved," and exposed the Illuminati, he ruled a 13-state US region consisting of 5000 covens, i.e. totaling 65,000 priests and priestesses. That's just the ministers, not the congregation.

Also, Crowley set up the OTO where there also appears to be a crossover between the members of various organisations. I can accept that they are quite separate organisations though...

Freemasonry, the Illuminati and other associated organisations all worship Lucifer and they're based off the Babylonian Talmud and the Jewish Kabalah that is why they along with the Zionists have the same goal of having Israel as this utopia place for themselves. Israel is where they'll have the world government. As for the Vatican connection they're involved with the Jesuits and Opus Dei and most are either Freemasons or Knights of Malta, Knights of Columbus, Knights Templar and so they all just have at the root of their foundation this goal for a World Government to be established in Israel.

So who would join freemasonry blindly, would you join a club that won’t let you know anything about them, my question was presented to a mason “why should I join, what’s in it for me” the reply was – “we do favours in exchange for favours, this is common knowledge, usually favours are for cash “ .......................................?

Well,I swear every time a discussion about freemasonry comes up it is just Catholics bashing them.

In case you do not know the Catholic church does not like Masons and has told churches not to allow those who belong to not attend Mass.

The fraternal organization for Catholics is the Knights of Columbus.

Though the Catholic church as a secretive pedophile organization disgusting itself as a religious organization is rather odd.

The Shrine is the higher organization than 33 degree Mason.

They do good including operating Shrine Childrens hospitals all over the U.S.

All paid for by donations from Shriner's.

All that is required is that the child be referred there by a Shriner.

They will except children of any race,nationality or religion.

There is no discrimination from them.

Originally posted by Phazon
Freemasonry, the Illuminati and other associated organisations all worship Lucifer...

What if I do not believe in The Devil/Satan (who I assume you mean by Lucifer)? How can I worship something that does not exist for me?

First, a number of our Founding Fathers and Signers of the Declaration of Independence were Freemasons. There is nothing inherently wrong with Freemasonry, spiritually speaking. But that is where the Illuminati come in. Adam Weishaupt is said to have founded the Illuminati on May 1, 1776, based on the Masonic system of degrees and the symbolism and ancient religion and occultic practices. Masons and orthodox Christians fight over the occultic stuff. Illuminati are Satanic and have inverted all the symbols and teachings of the Masons. So, Illuminati is somewhat embedded within the Masonic structure. There are family bloodlines associated with the Illuminati. This is where the Rothschild and Rockefeller conspiracies come in. What you need to know is the Illuminati is the perversion of truth, but the Masons are the deeper initiatic mysteries associated with more than one religion. Illuminati know these things and use them for evildoing and for greed and power.
The NWO is that which the Illuminati, the Bilderbergs, the CFR, TC, Club of Rome, the UN, are all building in their power structure of ruling the world as a One World Totalitarian communist/socialist/globalist perverted system, with the Bloodline family elite as rulers.
Now we have the Vatican announcement of their support for a Central World Bank and one world currency. See, the Vatican is even tied in. It is the false church, and I believe outpicturing of Revelation.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
First, a number of our Founding Fathers and Signers of the Declaration of Independence were Freemasons. There is nothing inherently wrong with Freemasonry, spiritually speaking. But that is where the Illuminati come in. Adam Weishaupt is said to have founded the Illuminati on May 1, 1776, based on the Masonic system of degrees and the symbolism and ancient religion and occultic practices. Masons and orthodox Christians fight over the occultic stuff.

You're good up to this point, then you start making stuff up…

Illuminati are Satanic and have inverted all the symbols and teachings of the Masons.

Nonsense. The Bavarian Illuminati under Weishaupt were neither satanic nor luciferian. They simply thought the Catholic church held too much power and thought that men should not live under the control of tyrants, kings or popes. They were democratic, and slightly anarchistic, and certainly against the pope, so of course they were labeled as "satanists". Same thing happened to the Templars 400 years earlier…

There are family bloodlines associated with the Illuminati.

No, there really aren't. Springmier's book is a crock. There are obvious falsehoods on just about every page…

From what I've seen, it appears that the connection between Masons, Illuminati, and Occultists exists only in the minds of people who just can't accept that the world could get as messed up as it is without having been purposely steered in that direction by certain groups for nefarious purposes.

Of course, that's just my opinion.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
First, a number of our Founding Fathers and Signers of the Declaration of Independence were Freemasons. There is nothing inherently wrong with Freemasonry, spiritually speaking. But that is where the Illuminati come in.

No, You see Druids are where the spirituality comes in, Since king arthur and merlin were around NO ONE Has trusted liked or even ascociated with druids because they are believed to have knowlage pools large enough to break you down, Now...Dont you think that illuminati would worry aobut a group that hates them if they could have a group of people who have been consultants to kings and queens, Lived off the land and learned the land for 10 years, Did the same in town and all this, Why is it that druids were THE ONLY ONES WITH A HIGH LIFE EXPECTANCY at that time when everyone else died at 50...The Masons, were simply a Governmential Group created under somone who wasnt all there due to lack of knowlage about the substances around them in that time period, That is how alot of power hunger and Mania started back then.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus Illuminati are Satanic and have inverted all the symbols and teachings of the Masons. So, Illuminati is somewhat embedded within the Masonic structure.

Again NO! the major illuminati simbol is on the american bill, The Pyramid with the eye, The illuminati were considered "Satanic" because they are Pagan...They have egyptian beliefs, Why the Vadiacan and churches hate us so much is because well...I talk to templars and THEY ARE STILL IN THE VADICAN they just branced off so that the church didnt become too powerfull and the pope wasnt being blamed for the Templars doing...since i heard the word illuminati as a 10 year old child ive studied them the templars the masons the druze the Druids ect. i myself and a druid, i strive for knowlage, and this next quote is something that poped up for me sorry JoshNorton.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus There are family bloodlines associated with the Illuminati. This is where the Rothschild and Rockefeller conspiracies come in.

Well...i can honestly say i am part of a blood line of druids, Blood lines of druids tend to lead back to illuminati or Masonic runins, about 40 years ago i had illuminati in my family, about 70 years ago i had masons in my family, And about 300 years ago i had templars in my family...honestly a blood line is broken but it can be folowed, Why we call it "Imposible" now is because Forensic scientists arnt Physicists they dont "JUST KNOW" that EVERYTHING is "Improbable" untill proven IMPOSIBLE in your lifetime/Vacinity because we change an outcome from observing, We freeze the molecule in time so we observe changing the outcome.

My final statemen is that The Illuminati are: People who own banks and want to own the world by manipulating anyone they can.
Masons: people who strive for truth and Justice
Templars: "Killing in the name of"
and Druids: Sheldons in the making (Knowlage hogs)