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Evaluate 10 Ancient Texts that Reveal Proof of Time Travel

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posted on Jun, 7 2008 @ 10:33 AM
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For many years, claims of ‘Evidence of Time Travel being found by the Australian researcher Ronald Pegg’ have been circulating around the internet.

He claimed to have found descriptions in ancient texts that match to the contents of a certain 1995 produced multi-media compact disk. This would mean that somehow, modern technology was taken back in time for ancient people to view.

It is asserted that “The documented accounts in certain ancient texts known as prophetic 'dreams' or 'visions' are about the contents and pictures from the 1995 Ancient Civilizations of the Mediterranean multi-media cd-rom”.

Now you have the opportunity to evaluate this specific claim with a ‘verse by verse’ examination of ten texts that he said contains proof.

www.pphcstudygroup.org.au...

Use this link then go directly to the Evaluation Session (or read an Introduction beforehand).




posted on Jun, 7 2008 @ 10:57 AM
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Am i missing something....

the CD is supposed to be representative of time travel because it has contents that match ancient texts including those in the bible...
If the CD is recently printed, then it was based on the ancient texts, and not the other way around.


Evidence of time travel would be a Picture of WW1 with a F16 screaming overhead...or something like the dead sea scrolls declaring Obama the democratic nominee for president...then you have something.

I dont see how this can be purported to be evidence of anything more than the CD graphics based on ancient text.



posted on Jun, 7 2008 @ 11:34 AM
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Nice find and very interesting. But one thing comes to mind:

Wouldn't it be alot easier to assume that the makers of the 1995 Ancient Civilizations of the Mediterranean CD-Rom produced and packaged by the French company Acta/Scala/E.M.M.E. made it in such a way to reflect it so it could be crossreferenced back to ancient texts?

Also, don't forget that the authors are obviously historians and have much information gathered about the ancient world, and could easily of made such patterns and symbolism connections. Maybe one of them is very religous? Or maybe they just wanted it to give people that feeling of "hmm i recognise the things here but can't quite remember from where..".

I think this scenario seems a more likely match, than that the CDROM was taken back in time. But that does not mean it's true either


To sum it up. If I told you of the events yesterday, would you actually think i went back in time and told the people about yesterday, or would it be more reasonable to believe I just recorded the events from yesterday and kept it to the present time?

PS" But still, i am sceptical to my own arguement, as there are some things that still doesn't make sense. (I.e. the angels telling them to view the things they see and ask if the understood, plus "the magical glasses: that the prophets were told to put on so they could read from the "tablets" in the ancient texts etc. It does sound like something here is not quite right indeed. I am researching further


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posted on Jun, 7 2008 @ 12:04 PM
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The Tablet of Fate is the tablet according to the ancients holding this information (as the webpage also states). So I tried to search internet for descriptions of it. Here's what I found about it's description:

"The Tablet of Fate was worn on the breast of the king of the gods, as a sign of his authority .. It was carved out of a blue, gold flecked stone."

Opps.. yes it can indeed sound like an ancient description of a modern day CDROM!!


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posted on Jun, 7 2008 @ 01:08 PM
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Originally posted by Hallberg Rassy


Am i missing something....

the CD is supposed to be representative of time travel because it has contents that match ancient texts including those in the bible...
If the CD is recently printed, then it was based on the ancient texts, and not the other way around.


Evidence of time travel would be a Picture of WW1 with a F16 screaming overhead...or something like the dead sea scrolls declaring Obama the democratic nominee for president...then you have something.

I dont see how this can be purported to be evidence of anything more than the CD graphics based on ancient text.
i agree completely,well said.



posted on Jun, 7 2008 @ 02:21 PM
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Time Travel is real easy and proveable!

Just look at my sig for TRTH.

Light is Time!

Stargate is my sig,now use common sense!

Lost Souls,i swear....More Magick Science Bullsh1t


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posted on Jun, 7 2008 @ 03:25 PM
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I scored that a zero percent possibility. That was really reaching for it and the survey was loaded to make you click certain items. Especially the way each question was influenced by the last and the next one. Each question should have stood on its own merit. I really thought that was an attempt to influence the data. But I was not fooled by it one bit.



posted on Jun, 7 2008 @ 07:27 PM
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RE: “I dont see how this can be purported to be evidence of anything more than the CD graphics based on ancient text.”

One set of matching details could just be a coincidence, and could be the result of the makers of the cd-rom using one particular set of ancient descriptions as their source and inspiration.
Maybe also two or three (or four) could be passed off as 'just coincidences'.
But ten ancient sets of details from different time periods and countries matching is beyond a coincidence.

The same set of descriptions turn up in many ancient stories where most are associated with a messenger turning up in a bright light (or 'dream') carrying a stone of testimony (aka. wheel, tablet, plate, or disc) which tells of future things and provides 'visions'. These extra associated characteristics indicate that the same source was viewed by all the ancient writers and story tellers by the same means - and not that any one ancient story was the source used by the makers of the cd-rom for their imagery.

Regarding people's own conclusions, we are often asked, concerning the observed evidence from these experiments as being identical or very close to the Ancients cd-rom pictures...
"Is the imagery, on the cd-rom, evidence of someone or a group of people travelling back in time and showing the ancient people the images from it, or was the Ancients cd-rom created by people that have read any or all of the texts? They may have only been inspired, even subconsciously, to make the cd-rom the same or very similar to what is in the ancient texts."

If the descriptions in the Atlantis dialogues by Plato only matched to the cd-rom imagery, then, yes, you would have to conclude that the makers of the cd-rom used the Atlantis descriptions as inspiration.

If the descriptions in the Bablylonian stories only matched to the cd-rom imagery, then, yes, you would have to conclude that the makers of the cd-rom used Bablylonian descriptions as inspiration.

If...Akkadian…Aboriginal Dreamtime Stories...North American Indian Mythologies...Buddhism & Hindu Understanding...Old Testament...New Testament...Qur'an...Book of Mormon...each only matched, then, yes……

But all of the above cultures that DO match to the imagery from the Ancients cd-rom are NOT part of the history contained on that cd-rom. So why would the makers use imagery from over ten other cultures that they are not presenting on the cd-rom ?

The civilizations presented are from around the Mediterranean region from betwen 2000 BCE and 476 CE, being Etruria, Carthage, Roman Empire, Greece, Phoenicia and Egypt.
(The Egyptian section only presents seven video shows, and not pages of pictures.)

The Etrurian section shows things Eturian…
The Roman section shows things Roman…
The Greece section shows things Greek…
The Phoenician section shows things Phoenician…
The Carthage section shows things Carthagian…
…and NOT anything to do with Altantis, Babylon, Akkadia, Aboriginal Dreamtime Stories...North American Indian Mythologies...Buddhism & Hindu Understanding...Old Testament...New Testament...Qur'an, nor Book of Mormon.

Specifically...
Regarding: "Is the imagery, on the cd-rom, evidence of someone or a group of people traveling back in time and showing the ancient people the images from it."

Based upon ten years of investigations - we believe yes. In the Old Testament (Ezekiel), New Testament (Revelation), and Qur'an (Mohammed) encounters where the cd-rom imagery is described, there is an Angel reported as being present, and in the Bible accounts, this angel has a 'sealed book with seven seals' that is opened, and from which 'visions' are seen by the prophet. That prophet's descriptions of these 'visions' are of the contents of the Ancients cd-rom.

We conclude that this 'angel' is some form of time traveller.



posted on Jun, 7 2008 @ 11:35 PM
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This is putting the cart before the donkey.


If i construct something after the fact, as in this case, then nothing is beyond coincidence, it is purposely or by default, structured into design and manufacture. Doesnt matter why or require us to find motivation, it is not evidence. It does not conflict with the timeline ( the CD was manufactured thousands of years after the fact)


If i discover evidence BEFORE the fact, there is something tangible to be investigated. For instance a picture of Civil War battlefield with a WW2 Jeep in the background...now you have something. We know the Jeep was not invented until the early 1900's, what is it doing in the Civil War, there is a conflict in the timeline we know to be true.


The CD is manufactured recently, There are images on it that correlate to ancient texts. It is evidence of graphics and research into ancient texts. It is not evidence of time travel.


Investigations must be critical, with an eye towards evidence that disproves rather than trying to fit evidence to pre-accepted result.



posted on Jun, 8 2008 @ 06:38 AM
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RE: “If i discover evidence BEFORE the fact, there is something tangible to be investigated. For instance a picture of Civil War battlefield with a WW2 Jeep in the background...now you have something”

If I discover evidence BEFORE the fact……we have…

…such as a plastic cd jewel case being held by witnesses in the mid 1800s - BEFORE plastic was invented.
…such as the form and image of a compact disk in an old Bible in which within is the Sky/Sea images as seen in a certain modern cd-rom.
…such as depictions of computer technology in Egyptian Hieroglyphs (including a dangling mouse & cable) plus in the associated stories a comprehensive description of the imagery from a particular modern cd-rom.

Pictures of the above examples

Picture of mouse & cable glyph



posted on Jun, 12 2008 @ 11:41 AM
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Labeling your e-books as non-fiction is a bit of a stretch.



posted on Jun, 12 2008 @ 02:25 PM
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Originally posted by Eddy_P
…such as depictions of computer technology in Egyptian Hieroglyphs (including a dangling mouse & cable) plus in the associated stories a comprehensive description of the imagery from a particular modern cd-rom.


Your "dangling mouse and cable" is actually a scribe's medallion and is used to designate a scribe. The "staff" is actually a reed, the "reed pen" is actually the feather of Ma'at, the hole with the circle in the middle is "Re" and in fact the designate that the text is talking about the God named Re (or "Ra") is sitting right next to the symbol. The horned serpent sign is not what they used for the word/concept "it", the "horizontal ledge" is actually two separate signs with a serpent above opened arms. The foot is the symbol for the "dj" sound...

...and, oh yes, they're reading the text the wrong way around. In the first example they're written left to right but in the second they're written right to left.

I'm headed out the door, can comment more later. These are just cherry picked symbols and ignore the fact that the symbols function as letters of a language (with modifiers) and are really spelling out words.



posted on Jun, 15 2008 @ 11:36 PM
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Originally posted by Byrd
Your "dangling mouse and cable" is actually a scribe's medallion and is used to designate a scribe. The "staff" is actually a reed, the "reed pen" is actually the feather of Ma'at, the hole with the circle in the middle is "Re" and in fact the designate that the text is talking about the God named Re (or "Ra") is sitting right next to the symbol. The horned serpent sign is not what they used for the word/concept "it", the "horizontal ledge" is actually two separate signs with a serpent above opened arms. The foot is the symbol for the "dj" sound...
These are just cherry picked symbols and ignore the fact that the symbols function as letters of a language (with modifiers) and are really spelling out words.

No, actually.
You presume that the past people who ‘interpreted’ Egyptian glyphs got it totally right.
The first two columns of Plate I of the Papyrus of Ani, seen in context (see third link below), describe the use and contents of modern cd-roms - as seen by the scribe Ani.

RE: your statement “The horned serpent sign is not what they used for the word/concept ‘it’”.
Your statement is in contradiction to the Egyptian scholar Caroline Seawright.
The horned viper glyph means 'He, him, his, it, its' SOURCE - in Suffix section; Singular 3, masculine.

You may wish to view the ‘mouse & cable’ in context (see the Egyptian section of that page), then view some specific notes (including the new translation of 91 glyphs from P1 PoA).



posted on Jun, 16 2008 @ 07:25 PM
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Originally posted by Eddy_P
No, actually.
You presume that the past people who ‘interpreted’ Egyptian glyphs got it totally right.


Yes, because there exist texts in several languages and there is no reason for an Egyptian text on a legal/formal document/monument to be something different than the other two copies. Furthermore, we can take the words we know and find that they match up with (literally) millions of texts, many of which are like cartoons in that the pictures and text match each other.

What you have there is part of the hymn to Ra (Re). The top hieroglyphs have been chopped out, and to make your point you focus only on the figure denoting 'god' and the symbol for 'Ra'/Re... which has a line under it to denote that it's not a syllable but the name of the god.


The first two columns of Plate I of the Papyrus of Ani, seen in context (see third link below), describe the use and contents of modern cd-roms - as seen by the scribe Ani.


Erm... that only works if you have a limited knowledge of computers and CDs and if you have some other set of symbols that you think means 'scribe' rather than the scribe's medallion (which they are shown wearing in many illustrations; symbols written beside their names.)

The idea of Egyptians having Windows (or the Mac operating system) when they had none of the technology (or the math and logic tables) that enable computers to operate makes several assumptions (including that the best operating system in the world is a windowed system and that it didn't require precursors like ENIAC and so forth.


Your statement is in contradiction to the Egyptian scholar Caroline Seawright.
The horned viper glyph means 'He, him, his, it, its'

You're quite right. I was tired and had the wrong symbol and didn't have my books at hand. It does mean 'he' (etc)



You may wish to view the ‘mouse & cable’ in context (see the Egyptian section of that page), then view some specific notes (including the new translation of 91 glyphs from P1 PoA).


As with all "cherry picked" examples, it doesn't work anywhere but the tiny set of symbols... and then completely ignores the illustrations that go with the texts themselves.



posted on Jul, 28 2008 @ 06:30 AM
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Some results so far

Whether pictures match ancient descriptions as a percentage, where
0-30 is NO,
>30-50 is probably not,
>50-75 is MAYBE,
>75-85 is probably, and
>85 to 100 is YES.

Results from 14 Evaluation Sessions
nil: 0 - 30
2 : >30 - 50
4 : >50 - 75
4 : >75 - 85
2 : >85 - 100
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14 in total

Average is 67.71 percent, which means it is more than a coincidence.

For these figures to actually be relevant, we need another series of evaluations by at least a 100 people to provide a better overall summary of opinions.

Can you help ? Can you spare the time to complete the Evaluation Session ?



posted on Jul, 28 2008 @ 07:56 AM
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Originally posted by Eddy_P
Results from 14 Evaluation Sessions
nil: 0 - 30
2 : >30 - 50
4 : >50 - 75
4 : >75 - 85
2 : >85 - 100
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14 in total


Last time I checked, 0+2+4+4+2 = 12
Wait, let me find my casio....



posted on Jul, 30 2008 @ 01:16 AM
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Originally posted by PsychopumpLast time I checked, 0+2+4+4+2 = 12
Wait, let me find my casio....

Whoops, input error.
Yes, it should be 12.
The other 4s threw me.



posted on Jul, 30 2008 @ 10:59 AM
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Er... your method of checking the data is "how many people take this and agree with it?" That's not proof of anything other than "how many think I wrote this site in a way that convinced them."

The questions are worded so that you HAVE to give some of them a "100%" answer -- and like a "forced card" in a magic trick, the reader must make the choice you want. That's not a proper research question.

Example: The "is this a city" question where you ask people if a drawing of an Etruscan town has walls, streets, guards, etc. And yes, they're all in the drawings. You then tie it up with Plato's Atlantis, as though there were NO towns around at the time Plato was writing and none of them ever had city walls or paved streets or guards and so the only way he could have gotten the info was from the CD (and he somehow got a computer that he was able to operate, too.)

In addition, you need to rethink your evaluation.

The "mean" (average) isn't what's used to determine if something is a coincidence or not. I don't want to tie up things with a lecture on statistics, but you "weighted" your groupings so that more fall in the "I want to believe" category (only two groups below 50 and three above.)

There are formulas to determine the "data confidence". In order to do it correctly, you'll need to make the categories the same size and then you have to look at the formulas. For such a tiny sample, the "confidence limit" should be 98% agree (I can show you the horking long and dull math, but I won't... it's available all over the internet.)

The forced choices make the whole thing even less convincing, IMHO, as does the idea that somehow Egyptians got ahold of the disk and a computer and the electricity to run it all and something that didn't just drop dead electrically from misuse or lack of knowledge or dust (kills lots of hardware) AND that they therefore changed their language completely and now the writing doesn't actually describe what we think it says.



posted on Jul, 30 2008 @ 11:10 AM
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Your illustration of the Mormons with their box proves nothing. If it was a photograph, yes then it would show something. But an illustration can hardly be taken as solid evidence. If somebody was time travelling, wouldn't they have something much more important to take than a cd? And why did they not take pictures to bring back? If they had a CD, then surely they could have taken a digital camera as well?



posted on Aug, 5 2008 @ 01:56 AM
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Purpose of Evaluation Session

Some people seem to be not understanding or are missing the point of this evaluation session.

HISTORY:
1. Ronald Pegg made an observation regarding an ancient text and modern cd-rom pictures.
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2. Ronald Pegg investigated 20 more ancient texts, and made associated observations regarding those ancient texts and pictures from a modern cd-rom.
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3. He proposed an hypothesis - “The documented accounts in certain ancient texts known as prophetic 'dreams' or 'visions' are about the contents and pictures from the 1995 Ancient Civilizations of the Mediterranean multi-media cd-rom”.
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4. He asserted a Conclusion based upon his observations and investigations - “This is Evidence of Time Travel”.
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5. He established a general Theory - “Certain noted Angels giving 'visions of the future' who were documented in the sacred texts of the Hebrew, Christian, Muslim, and Mormon faiths (and others) - were not of a divine origin...as they were actually human chrononauts taking back warning messages concerning false religions, details of certain historical and astronomical events, and a chronology regarding a future war. Those technological time travellers were misunderstood and perceived as 'Angels'”.
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This session is NOT evaluating points 3 & 4 & 5. These may be discussed in later sessions.
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This session IS evaluating the validity of Pegg’s original OBSERVATIONS (points 1 & 2) by asking “Do the descriptions in ancient texts match to the pictures seen on a modern cd-rom.
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To do this I am asking you to assist with the evaluation process by testing, with a ‘verse by verse’ examination, ten texts that Pegg said contains proof.
LINK to Evaluation Session




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