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The cross is one of the oldest known symbols in the world.
Ichthys,the fish symbol,has been used in reference to sexuality and the womb
in many goddess 'cults.'
The Eucharist was part of Mithraism
The Halo comes from the worship of Apollo.
Baptism also predates Christianity.The early Church Father Tertullian wrote;
The Virgin Mary and Child image comes from ancient Egypt;Isis and Horus.
The shepherd with a lamb on his shoulders image is from Greece.
Then there's the Christian Holy Days that are deeply rooted in Paganism,
the major ones being Easter and Christmas.
And most important of all is the parallels that appear in the lives of Jesus
and other divine beings such as Dionysius,Krishna,Mithras etc,
but most of all with the Egyptian god Horus.
Olde or New Testament for Gods people to define themselves by their sexuality as was so often done in the pagan religions..especially around their festivals and holydays.
There are no parallels here...there are only appearances...by logic and reason.
Pagan light is in fact darkness....while they claim the reverse.
There are however a small percentage of the Lord's people... a remnant who have not bowed the knee to Baal and taken on these traditions. It was so with the Hebrews in Olde Testament times. There is also among the Hebrews a remnant who have not bowed the knee to Baal. They have always been here and always will be. It has always been this way jakyll.
Paganism has entered and seduced Christianity..not the other way around. I know this simply because there are no symbols for Christians. None...but you find them all over the place in Paganism. You also do not find Pagans taking on the mantle and customs of Christianity...even part way...it is always the other way around in infiltration.
It wasn't to do with sexuality,not in the manner we perceive it today anyways.It was a celebration of life,death and rebirth.But,like any faith,it has been corrupted.
I hate to say this,but you are either blinded by your faith,you're a liar,or you're both.If i had given a list of the events from Horus' life and asked you who was it describing you would've said Jesus without a moments hesitation.
Paganism covers a broad spectrum of faiths and religions,to which are you referring? All of them?
But we were not talking about them,we were talking about Christianity as a whole.And Baal/Ba'al is only a title meaning master or lord,and can even be used in reference to humans.So which God(s) are you talking about?
Hadad maybe? He was the protector of life and growth to the agricultural people of the region.
The Christians have many symbols,and not all are from Paganism.
And Hebrews have symbols too,the Star of David and the Menorah,for example.Symbolism plays a huge part in all walks of life,you should know that.
the sabbath is Fri at sunset till saturday at sunset, it wasn't the "pagan religions" that changed this, it was a pope of the CHRISTIAN Catholic church, by what I've read, he did it just to show to the people that he had the power to change such things.
it's interesting you bring in the feudal form of government, I take that to mean the kings, the castles, and the poor serfs that kept it all running. the form of governance that God chose for the people of Israel originally didn't include those kings and such. they were ruled by the judges...ya know, much like those judges today that the conservative christians hate so much. they were to be ruled by the judges and the balance of justice...
but, the Israelites became disenchanted with those judges and began crying out for a king like the nations around them had, and God finally relented and gave them their king....and well.....look around you, the kings, the presidents, the senators, and well......they just tend to throw justice out the window and rule by party agendas and doctrines.
Sorry jakyll, you can give me any ancient civilization you want. Most of them ..no matter what the religion claimed were as stated.
No such office in Christianity as Pope. Nor is there any such instruction to do as you are describing for power. You will however find this pattern over and over for power in paganism.
I am entering this conversation pretty late, and most of my comments are not really on topic, but still.
The dead sea scrolls are not really related in any way to Christianity (or are just as related as other copies of the Hebrew Bible). They are from a (non-christian) jewish perspective, and of the scriptural documents in it, none differ significantly from other copies of the Hebrew Bible. You may be referring to the Gnostic texts in the Nag Hammadi library.
Christianity is not the 2nd youngest religion. There are many many younger ones, even if you discount all these new religions popping up in modern times: Sikhism, the Bahá'í faith, Islam, etc.
you are obviously aware that Christianity has its roots in Judaism,which in turn has its roots in Zoroastrianism;a pagan religion.
Do you follow only the Bible,or all the books that were once part of the scriptures such as the Dead Sea Scrolls and the Apocrypha??
If only the Bible then you are not following the full teachings of Jesus,but those picked out by men for their own selfish reasons.
Yes,there is no such office in Christianity,but neither is there in every pagan faith.Buddhists have the Dali Lama,that's about it.The head of many pagan religions are god's,Odin,Zeus,Krishna etc.These are not unified faiths with one human ruler over all followers like the Catholics or the Anglicans.
You seem to be forgetting that,with what we know at the moment,any faith based on the bible is predated by every faith but one.The Earth Mother faith goes back 20,000yrs.Statues of her have even been found in Israel,dating back at least 10,000yrs,yet you are arrogant enough to say that all these faiths are wrong,that (early) Christianity,the 2nd youngest faith on the planet,is right!
The dead sea scrolls are not really related in any way to Christianity (or are just as related as other copies of the Hebrew Bible). They are from a (non-christian) jewish perspective, and of the scriptural documents in it, none differ significantly from other copies of the Hebrew Bible.
You keep beating this horse to death..just like madnessinmysoul. No problem here. Once again ..it is the fruit. All the Earth Mother religions produced no lasting fruit..nor raised the standard of living among their adherents above the substance level. I think Sir Chancelot described this as above the grass hut level. He got it correct.
strange statement Jekyll..very strange since you are wont to use Catholic as representing most or even all of Christianity..yet admit their is no such office in Christianity. Could it possibly be that Catholic dogma is not Christian at all?? But appears to be like Christian. Once again..they ..Catholic have no monopoly in this since historically they have much competition for the same power or offices. You really need to work on this a bit....flesh it out more in thinking.
No.... prayers need not be done before an altar. They can be done anywhere...anywhere...not just in church. I was baptized in a river...here locally.
Please think this through carefully as to what you have stated here. Doing a thing to show one has power to change such ..is not Christian. It is pagan in origin. No such office in Christianity as Pope. Nor is there any such instruction to do as you are describing for power. You will however find this pattern over and over for power in paganism.
Also as stated in a previous posts..the Christian Sabbath is a person not a day. Sabbath meaning Rest...we rest in Him..not a day...but 24/7..in Him.
Christians generally meet on Sundays as this is the day most have off...but not all. Many meet or fellowship on Wednesday nights and not necessarily in a traditional building but peoples homes...even out in the open, restaurants etc.
As to making Christianity more acceptable to Pagans...no instruction, once again, to do this. The instruction is to not mix olde wine with new...leven with unleaven..light with darkness. Interestingly enough..many Christians have not a clue as to this instruction. Their teachers and preachers don't teach them.
Like Jekyll..you have problems separating the Roman and other disobedient groups...going after other gods ...from Christian doctrine and then find it necessary to include all under such a blanket.
God was greatly displeased with His Chosen People in this. Is this not the exact same problem with a Pope??? Think it through. It is also the exact same problem with Nicolaitanism....a man made political power hungry hierarchy which the Lord says He hates. Think about this in relation to the religion we call politics. Think about this also in relation to many religious hierarchies for human power and control. It will clear up a lot of what we see around us.
As we have little information of what life was like 20,000yrs ago we can not know what fruit came from such a faith,or what life was like for its followers.
My reasons for using the Catholic faith is for one reason only;it has been the prevailing faith in the west for centuries.This is the faith that has controlled and manipulated people's lives and attitudes for too many years.I cannot say that it is the Eastern Orthodox Church or the Assyrian Church that has done this in the west because they haven't.
It sees itself as Christian,yet i don't believe it is.Too many of its teachings go against and contradict the bible.
3 things happen when one faith comes up against another;one is either destroyed,accepted or assimilated.
The feminine/mother worship was assimilated into the religions of the Greeks,Romans,Celts etc etc.These faiths in turn have been destroyed by the Abrahamic religions.And no matter how you look at it,these denominations are the fruits of the OT and the teachings of Jesus.
They may not be the truth,they may not be what was intended,but they are still the fruit.
Almost any and everywhere you see economic affluence and progress in the world above a subsistence level it was exported to these nations from Western Christian nations. And by thus the economic conditions began to get better for these Nations, their women and children as well.
it is obvious to me that the wars and chaos of this world is mostly one pagan nation fighting wars against another pagan nation..or combines of these nations fighting against other combines. Alliances if you like.
My first clear hint of this was the video so often shown on the History Channel of the Surrender of the Japanese Nation on the battleship Missouri in Tokyo Harbor in 1945. It was clear to me by what I was watching ...the rites and rituals of certain organized pagan nations ..one pagan nation surrendering to another combine of pagan nations. Once convinced of this I took a closer read of WW1 and discerned the same pattern and fingerprint. It was not difficult to discern. The same with the wars in Europe of from the French Revolution up to WW 1 and there have been many of them.