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What isn't talked about at length is the oppression of women in Christian societies. It is far more discreet and a product of the subcultures of the nations as opposed to laws that are heavily enforced, but it's still there.
wow, one piece of incidental evidence and talking about society at large. i was talking about a very real movement in the evangelical christian community and other fundamentalist christian groups that oppresses women.
Women here have it so fantastically good..compared to other nations.
Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
they aren't truly equal
they have it good compared to other nations...but they aren't truly equal and they're still abused.
also, they don't always have it fantastically good
Originally posted by MrBender
Seems to me that the OP by MIMS was about Christian teachings, not home depot, car lots, or economics.
As a former and recovering Jehovah's Witness I can say from experience that women did have to cover their heads before prayer and women couldn't lead prayer if men were present - the men were to do it. Women were to be subservient - period.
The Christian Bible that I own says, "To the woman He said: 'I will greatly multiply your sorrow and your conception; in pain you shall bring forth children; your desire shall be for your husband, and he shall rule over you.'" That's in Genisis chapter 3, verse 16.
Now, one could technically argue that God was only speaking to Eve and not all women, but I've never heard of a church that taught that.
Look at 1st Corinthians 14:34 and 35, "Let your women keep silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak; they are to be submissive as the law also says.
And if they want to learn something, let them ask their own husbands at home, for it is shameful for women to speak in church."
These are not "emotes" - they are verses straight from the Christian Bible.
How can one look at these and say that women have the upperhand in Christianity?
What isn't talked about at length is the oppression of women in Christian societies.
Jesus Christ and his disciples often referred to the Holy Scriptures their listeners knew of. This includes the Old Testament. It contains a history of creation, books on the history of the Jews, laws, prophetic messages, Apocrypha, etc. Jesus and the disciples explained that their work was not intended to nullify the contents of the Old Testament, but that they had not mainly come to interpret the Scriptures either. Life in direct contact with God and Christ is at stake. (See also "Basics of ethical values" and the main text of "ways-of-christ.net".) These results with new viewpoints, as compared with the Old Testament.
All right, then I'll go with that and talk about society.
Now these women who work should have the right to make financial decisions about how their money is spent. You seem to basically be upset that women are offered more stuff to buy or make more financial decisions that they are entitled to make. I won't argue about more material goods being marketed to them because I can't find any data on it.
However, I can find data on the number of single mothers in this country. Do I need to post the data showing that there are more single moms than there are single dads? Talk about taking a risk and taking responsibility, single moms sure do.
On the same link posted above you can also see that women earn less money than men on average. So while they may have more items marketed to them, they have less money to spend.
The same link also shows how women have almost reached educational parity with men - in other words, they haven't in the past.
The same link shows that women are more likely to suffer poverty.
The US has the highest rape statistics among countries who keep statistics:
If one calls this a Christian nation, if one sees that Christianity is patriarchal, and if one knows that the US is patriarchal, then it only makes sense that a Christian, patriarchal nation, we have standards which are oppressive.
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