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Max Hardcore found guilty in obscenity trial

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posted on Jun, 8 2008 @ 05:44 PM
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the dude is SICK! His films are borderline pedophilia. I know they are legal, but anyone thats even 5 seconds of those films knows what hes doing. When you've got some petitie 18 year old girl in pigtails, its kinda obvious. dude got what he deserved.




posted on Jun, 8 2008 @ 05:49 PM
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Originally posted by baked
the dude is SICK! His films are borderline pedophilia. I know they are legal, but anyone thats even 5 seconds of those films knows what hes doing. When you've got some petitie 18 year old girl in pigtails, its kinda obvious. dude got what he deserved.


Petite 18 year old!

So because of her build and the fact that she does her hair differently makes it illegal? It doesnt matter how she is dressed or wears her hair, as long as she is 18 it cannot and does not even come close to pedophilia. Now if she was 16 and doing that, you would have an argument.

[edit on 8-6-2008 by deadline527]



posted on Jun, 8 2008 @ 05:51 PM
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As JackintheBox said earlier, since when has a thought become a crime..?

To be honest, I think that what he is doing is acceptable insomuch as it's NOT children...

In a way, his videos may stop people from offending if they were that way inclined...I don't know...

What I do know is - all the models were over 18 so get over it and just don't watch it...

I personally think that GOD TV and the like are obscene and shouldn't be allowed.

Back to my earlier 7 words comment...

Besides,

In my many years of university, I remember the nights where all the student girls would dress up as schoolgirls - complete with pigtails and everyone would be happy - guys would get what they never got at school - and the girls could be all girly....

No-one complained...

peace,

MSP



posted on Jun, 8 2008 @ 05:51 PM
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Pornography does not cause serial murders. That's just not the way it works.

To say pornography is addictive is a gross misinterpretation of the word addictive. Anything, in that sense, can be addictive. I guess you could say ATS is "addictive", or gaming, or TV, or biting nails. Whatever it is you want to blame, I suppose.

No, Bundy killed because he was a sociopath. He wasn't addicted to porn, he was obsessed with it... that and, uhhh murdering women.

You can tie porno to Bundy about as well as video games to kids doing dumb things. By that I mean not at all.



posted on Jun, 8 2008 @ 05:54 PM
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Exactly! My girlfriend still has her catholic school uniform from last year in her closet and every once in a while she will wear it complete with pig tails. I find it quite sexy, but apparently I must be a borderline pedophile?



posted on Jun, 8 2008 @ 05:54 PM
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Originally posted by baked
the dude is SICK!

I personally don't like his films myself.


His films are borderline pedophilia.

No they're not. You yourself say they are not as they are legal. That's like saying a woman is borderline pregnant.


When you've got some petitie 18 year old girl in pigtails, its kinda obvious. dude got what he deserved.

So all petite 18 year old girls should be banned ?
I've had a 35 year old girlfriend who is very petite and put her hair in pigtails from time to time. What's your point?

Yes he deserved what he got. His rights were violated. And when your Constitutional rights get violated at some point, I'm sure you will have deserved it too....



posted on Jun, 8 2008 @ 05:57 PM
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Me and you both mate -

Just make sure you don't film it or you might get banged up...

i hate how others try to impose their values on others. No-one is making anyone watch anything...

It's not as if you accidently click on it....

edit to add....UNLESS, of course, these people are worried about what it might bring out in themselves...

peace,

MSP.

[edit on 8-6-2008 by more_serotonin_pls]



posted on Jun, 8 2008 @ 06:31 PM
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Originally posted by jfj123

Originally posted by slackerwire

Originally posted by DuneKnight
ok Im offended when you guys say that pornography is better than religion. thats so wrong. im just gonna leave this thread. and sick stuff like that shouldnt exist and porn producers all try to up the ante when it comes to sick stuff and just like consumerism people will get whatever is what there. its not that people ask for it.


Sick stuff like believing in a giant invisible man in the sky shouldn't exist. IN fact, it could very well be indicative of some other forms of mental illness such as dementia, or hallucinations.

Did you have a point?


what about a supreme being that would allow terrorists to fly into skyscrapers and kill innocent people when that being could have simply saved those innocent people with nothing more then a passing thought????? now which is worse?


dude i dont know what to even say to you at this point. words cant describe my resentment towards every statement you have said. and now this. you basically saying that people should indulge themselves in porn than to give a semblance of thought to spirituality and moral values.

and for the people here who are saying that as long as its consensual and 18 yrs old then its ok. are you mad. im actually thinking that if laws were different in some alternate universe max hardcore would actually hire under aged girls if he can, whats stopping him. we can not wait for these scumbags to destroy us, the people who watch this stuff will no doubt attempt to imitate it and porn btw is used by molesters to lure kids into accepting the acts done onto them. lots of girls are forced, yes forced into this business due to the many troubles of life, its not through agency but structure. personally i like the steps Bush has taken to rid America from such scumbags and i hope the next president will attempt to do the same unlike that hilary who only focused on GTA game.



posted on Jun, 8 2008 @ 06:40 PM
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unfortunately i dont have any physical proof that can be used online to support my claims and if that is the reason you wish to fully believe that my statement is false, i respect that decision

i must say i havent met or known the majority of porn stars/participants in the adult film industry, but i have known several and still know a few in the industry

the main reason i never worked behind the scenes in porn as a camera man d.p. or anything is due to the fact that someday i do truly wish to have some sort of career full time in the film industry so i dont want to damage that potential by having my name and talent associated with porn

but many will tell you, if you dont know 1st hand, in hollywood and los angeles there is a abundance of people who work in porn and respectable "hollywood" films (not saying all porn is not respectable, just when its this low as being discussed now)


its sort of like how not 100 percent of drug cases are known about, not 100 percent of domestic violence is known about, theres crimes everyday going unreported due to many several different reasons, if you can find anyone you know personally involved im sure you can hear the stories 1st hand as that is where i have gotten the majority of the information i have to make my claims

ive known a few actresses and even had a few of my roomates work on several different sets the stories that influence my comments stated have either been 1st hand accounts from the people experiencing them onset, or they are people on set who have relayed the stories of many of their coworkers to me

maybe some of its gossip/rumors etc but every1 of them have the common thing of drugs and bosses who take advantage and victimize


it would be great if we didnt need rules and regulations but the nature of the industry really calls for it...theres stricter controls on film sets then porn sets thats also based on personal and industry knowledge

and unfortunately to the other person who said something along the lines as "we cant be guilty of a crime because of our thoughts" well actually now it seems we can, one example that comes to mind is when young kids in grades as low as 7th-8th grade are being put in the spotlight just for writing a list of names and calling it a hate list

kids have been doing that forever but since columbine now a kid cant even say he hates another kid in school or hes considered a dylan klebold or whatever his name was


we're losing SOOOO many rights in soo many other SERIOUS situations that to be spending time on this subject is sad when every day we lose more and more important rights then just what kind of porn people can jerk off to.

i mean right now theres another thread about whats going on in dc with the barricades

i feel all this max hardcore situation is about slight of hand, we're looking here at max and bush is just going ahead and implementing a police state on everything else while we're all just worried about jerking it



posted on Jun, 8 2008 @ 06:41 PM
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Naturally you would also be ok with a President who took efforts to rid this country of the tight grip religious nuts also have on this nation right?

Of course you wouldn't.

Keep your religion to yourself and stop trying to force your BS moralistic views on everyone else. Don't like porn? Don't watch. It's that simple.



posted on Jun, 8 2008 @ 06:48 PM
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Originally posted by DuneKnight

Originally posted by jfj123

Originally posted by slackerwire

Originally posted by DuneKnight
ok Im offended when you guys say that pornography is better than religion. thats so wrong. im just gonna leave this thread. and sick stuff like that shouldnt exist and porn producers all try to up the ante when it comes to sick stuff and just like consumerism people will get whatever is what there. its not that people ask for it.


Sick stuff like believing in a giant invisible man in the sky shouldn't exist. IN fact, it could very well be indicative of some other forms of mental illness such as dementia, or hallucinations.

Did you have a point?


what about a supreme being that would allow terrorists to fly into skyscrapers and kill innocent people when that being could have simply saved those innocent people with nothing more then a passing thought????? now which is worse?


dude i dont know what to even say to you at this point. words cant describe my resentment towards every statement you have said. and now this. you basically saying that people should indulge themselves in porn than to give a semblance of thought to spirituality and moral values.

and for the people here who are saying that as long as its consensual and 18 yrs old then its ok. are you mad. im actually thinking that if laws were different in some alternate universe max hardcore would actually hire under aged girls if he can, whats stopping him. we can not wait for these scumbags to destroy us, the people who watch this stuff will no doubt attempt to imitate it and porn btw is used by molesters to lure kids into accepting the acts done onto them. lots of girls are forced, yes forced into this business due to the many troubles of life, its not through agency but structure. personally i like the steps Bush has taken to rid America from such scumbags and i hope the next president will attempt to do the same unlike that hilary who only focused on GTA game.


The people who watch it will attempt to imitate it? You are probably one of them people who blame violence on video games as well. Stop using excuses for people who commit crimes, they would do it regardless if there was porn, or video games, or whatever other excuse happens to get thrown out to the media these days.

You say many girls are forced into porn? Forced as in signing contracts to make money? These girls contact these agencies by themselves, noone forces them. They look at as easy money, and guess what, a lot of the time it is. They could have went to college, but they chose to have sex in front of a camera. If they were forced, it would be rape and trust me, that would be all over the news.



posted on Jun, 8 2008 @ 06:49 PM
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Originally posted by DuneKnight
Originally posted by jfj123
Originally posted by slackerwire
Originally posted by DuneKnight[
ok Im offended when you guys say that pornography is better than religion. thats so wrong. im just gonna leave this thread. and sick stuff like that shouldnt exist and porn producers all try to up the ante when it comes to sick stuff and just like consumerism people will get whatever is what there. its not that people ask for it.



Sick stuff like believing in a giant invisible man in the sky shouldn't exist. IN fact, it could very well be indicative of some other forms of mental illness such as dementia, or hallucinations.

Did you have a point?



what about a supreme being that would allow terrorists to fly into skyscrapers and kill innocent people when that being could have simply saved those innocent people with nothing more then a passing thought????? now which is worse?



dude i dont know what to even say to you at this point.

How about THANK YOU for standing up for your Constitutional right ???


words cant describe my resentment towards every statement you have said.

and luckily our Constitution allows you to express your resentment



and now this. you basically saying that people should indulge themselves in porn than to give a semblance of thought to spirituality and moral values.

I'm saying they have the right to if they want to. Whether or not I agree with pornography is IRRELEVENT. One of the United States founding principles gives us all the freedom of OR FROM religion.



and for the people here who are saying that as long as its consensual and 18 yrs old then its ok.

and why wouldn't it be?


are you mad. im actually thinking that if laws were different in some alternate universe max hardcore would actually hire under aged girls if he can,

Do you know him personally? Did he actually ever say that? In the United States a person is innocent until proven guilty. Can you prove he would do as you've said or is that just you slandering him???


whats stopping him. we can not wait for these scumbags to destroy us, the people who watch this stuff will no doubt attempt to imitate it and porn btw is used by molesters to lure kids into accepting the acts done onto them. lots of girls are forced, yes forced into this business due to the many troubles of life, its not through agency but structure. personally i like the steps Bush has taken to rid America from such scumbags and i hope the next president will attempt to do the same unlike that hilary who only focused on GTA game.


In a free society, you have to take the good with the bad. That's the way it works. Get off your pulpit and hop into reality.

[edit on 8-6-2008 by jfj123]



posted on Jun, 8 2008 @ 06:50 PM
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Originally posted by slackerwire
reply to post by DuneKnight
 



Naturally you would also be ok with a President who took efforts to rid this country of the tight grip religious nuts also have on this nation right?

Of course you wouldn't.

Keep your religion to yourself and stop trying to force your BS moralistic views on everyone else. Don't like porn? Don't watch. It's that simple.


Exactly, at least with porn we dont have to watch it if we dont like it. It seems like religion is being rammed down our throats every day regardless if we want it or not. The day they get rid of religion, I will not complain about them getting rid of pornography. Thats a promise.



posted on Jun, 8 2008 @ 06:50 PM
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To some people when adults agree from their own free will to do something it's not immoral. Sex also can be very spiritual.
You're grasping at straws when you base your argument on "if's" and "alternative universes".

ps. There's that 'scumbags' adjective again



posted on Jun, 8 2008 @ 06:54 PM
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FYI, im not religious. weird huh. but i do know what religion does to people and its that it makes them better people more ever so than men who defend such scum. Im pledging for a better society, not to force you into worship or false belief but rather moral values, like the constitution or laws. live and let live is a simple argument not sound at all in reality because if you want your children to live a good life then you very well know that every child out there also must lead a good life. or else all will collide.



posted on Jun, 8 2008 @ 06:58 PM
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Makes them better people? Really?

If thats the case, why have more people been killed in the name of religion than any other reason?

Lets be honest here, it doesn't make them better people, it makes them better sheep.

Weak minded, easily controlled sheep. Thats what religion is all about, control and money.



posted on Jun, 8 2008 @ 06:59 PM
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Originally posted by DuneKnight
reply to post by slackerwire
 


FYI, im not religious. weird huh. but i do know what religion does to people and its that it makes them better people

This is what's known as a false statement. Yes some people lead good lives due to religion but your blanket statement simply isn't true.
Salem witch trials ring a bell?
Islamic extremists?
The Inquisition?
Scientology?
etc...
Those involved in the above listed religions are better people huh?



posted on Jun, 8 2008 @ 06:59 PM
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Originally posted by jfj123
I'm saying they have the right to if they want to. Whether or not I agree with pornography is IRRELEVENT. One of the United States founding principles gives us all the freedom of OR FROM religion.


alright everyone has the right to watch that stuff if its available and I say it shouldn't be available which is why that scumbag is being arrested and not the people watching it.



posted on Jun, 8 2008 @ 07:02 PM
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Originally posted by DuneKnight

Originally posted by jfj123
I'm saying they have the right to if they want to. Whether or not I agree with pornography is IRRELEVENT. One of the United States founding principles gives us all the freedom of OR FROM religion.


alright everyone has the right to watch that stuff if its available and I say it shouldn't be available which is why that scumbag is being arrested and not the people watching it.


That's just your opinion.
What if my opinion is that nobody should be able to practice religion because it has caused so many atrocities throughout history?
Is my opinion less valid then yours? So should we now ban religion?

Lets take a look at the 2 things: Religion and porn.
How many people died in the name of porn?
How many people died in the name of religion?

Did Max Hardcore ever fly a jet into a building full of people because he believes in porn so much?

We can go on and on...

[edit on 8-6-2008 by jfj123]



posted on Jun, 8 2008 @ 07:02 PM
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Why shouldn't it be available? Simply because you don't like it?

The porn industry routinely grosses more revenue than "mainstream" Hollywood. Obviously you are in the minority. Simply because you disagree with it doesn't mean it shouldn't exist.



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