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Max Hardcore found guilty in obscenity trial

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posted on Jun, 8 2008 @ 03:56 PM
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Originally posted by jfj123

Originally posted by DuneKnight
ok Im offended when you guys say that pornography is better than religion. thats so wrong. im just gonna leave this thread. and sick stuff like that shouldnt exist and porn producers all try to up the ante when it comes to sick stuff and just like consumerism people will get whatever is what there. its not that people ask for it.


1. More evil things have been done in the name of religion then in the name of porn.

2. The porn industry caters to their customers. If they made content that customers didn't want, they would go out of business.

3. You're missing the point entirely. It's about freedom of speech and expression, not about pornography or religion.



for number 2 of your post i agree with alot of what you post but i just want to point out that although your statement number 2 is correct i dont feel it is complete, as yes when this 1st developed and came into place there was a very small niche for several of these types of porn on the internet now which have blossomed to giant multibillion dollar business due to desensativity and just becoming conditioned to like certain things, we know what we grow up with, humans for the most part are products of their enviroment and with each new generation growing up and seeing stuff like this, it just makes a larger and larger audience for rape and pedophilia untill eventually years from now it will just be accepted

it sort of reminds of of the lineage of thinking that is taking place on another thread about stem cells. years ago in vitro fertalization was this huge controversy, now its accepted, just like now theres a controversy in stem cells, but in another 20 years maybe more or less they will be just as accepted as rape and kiddie porn with the way movies and porn are sensationalizing everything




posted on Jun, 8 2008 @ 03:58 PM
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You're missing the point entirely. It's about freedom of speech and expression, not about pornography or religion.



I don't call simulating raping little girls "freedom of expression". Thank God the people of FL don't either. I wish they would put him in prison he's a scum bag.

[edit on 6/8/2008 by Bigwhammy]



posted on Jun, 8 2008 @ 04:01 PM
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Thank-you BigWhammy!

It appears your information will be equally as ignored as mine. (oh and Jimmy at the top of the page) We have his personal experience, we have my professional experience and we have your authority sources.

I am comfortable with this being the last word from me on this thread.
It has all been said.

(((ooops, Jimmy isn't on top of the page, he was on top of pg 14.)))

[edit on 8-6-2008 by Res Ipsa]



posted on Jun, 8 2008 @ 04:02 PM
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I agree with you as well. Porn is a dirty, disgusting industry that we would be much better off without. I am not sticking up for the guy because in my opinion he is a sleeze bag who doesn't deserve the money he is making, but anyway. I am standing up for the fact that if there are consenting adults, as in over 18, who want to get involved in some freaky production to make money, then they should be allowed to.

If a hollywood movie can have a overly excessive, violent, brutal rape scene of a girl portrayed to be underage - yet a pornography movie cant have a little rough sex of a girl dressed as a cheerleader?

I would be more worried about the movie, because the possibility of it being seen by unsuspecting people, while the ones who watch these pornography movies obviously buy them based on whatever they are into. When they buy a movie called Max Hardcore, thats pretty much screaming that any normal individual would find it offensive.

[edit on 8-6-2008 by deadline527]



posted on Jun, 8 2008 @ 04:06 PM
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Originally posted by Res Ipsa
Thank-you BigWhammy!

It appears your information will be equally as ignored as mine. (oh and Jimmy at the top of the page) We have his personal experience, we have my professional experience and we have your authority sources.

I am comfortable with this being the last word from me on this thread.
It has all been said.

(((ooops, Jimmy isn't on top of the page, he was on top of pg 14.)))

[edit on 8-6-2008 by Res Ipsa]


You have all made outstanding contributions to the thread, and I dont think it would have been nearly as good without the input from all three of your angles. Well done and kudos for a great debate.



posted on Jun, 8 2008 @ 04:45 PM
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Originally posted by Dramey
reply to jackinthebox

you talk about how big porn is and how unintelligent it is for me to use the word majority, but the truth is the majority of porn is low budget swine infested trash who provide the drugs themselves for the majority of their actressess

Please show me where you've found the statistics on this.


have you ever been behind the scenes? have you ever been on any set?
i mean even in hollywood in main stream films actresses and even actors are sometimes victimized,

Then that would be a crime which can be prosecuted. There's a difference between a legal business where everyone is consenting and someone being victimized.



posted on Jun, 8 2008 @ 04:58 PM
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Originally posted by jimmyjackblack
Hmm... So from reading this thread, I gather that this guy, Max Hardore (LOL @ his name) is being punished for making jack-off movies (does jack-off violate the T&C on here?) about raping little girls,
-Jimmy


Where did you get this information. From what I've researched, although his movies are more extreme, they do not depict what you are describing.



posted on Jun, 8 2008 @ 05:02 PM
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Originally posted by jfj123

Originally posted by jimmyjackblack
Hmm... So from reading this thread, I gather that this guy, Max Hardore (LOL @ his name) is being punished for making jack-off movies (does jack-off violate the T&C on here?) about raping little girls,
-Jimmy


Where did you get this information. From what I've researched, although his movies are more extreme, they do not depict what you are describing.


Go on his website, read the description of the videos, in one video he describes his encounter with a girl as "teaching her a lesson against her will". Keep in mind she's dressed up as a 13 year old



posted on Jun, 8 2008 @ 05:02 PM
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Originally posted by OhZone
"....there are quite a bit of people who would rather see an 18 year old that looks younger, instead of older."

****So....!! guys do enjoy watching pedophelia,,,!

This is so sad. What do they find sexy about it? Doesn't matter that they are in fact older. They are portraying children and men enjoy this!
Are many men in fact closet pedophiles?


Just curious where you're getting this huge load of crap from?

I find it offensive that just because some of us are defending freedom of speech whether or not we agree with the subject matter, you are calling us vile names.

What is wrong with you ?????????

Maybe you shouldn't give an ignorant, uninformed opinion and slander people who are concerned about everybodys rights !!



posted on Jun, 8 2008 @ 05:05 PM
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Originally posted by deadline527

Originally posted by Res Ipsa
Deadline,
he didn't get busted for that. (Ashcroft decision says its legal for 18yr old to be portrayed as younger)


That doesnt suprise me with how many of these politicians are caught in child sex rings and such.

How many? Please post all the names of the individuals you're referring to.


He may not be into that sort of thing, but I am sure at least a few of his buddies are.

Please post evidence that suggests this statement is true. Or do you not care about slandering innocent people???



posted on Jun, 8 2008 @ 05:10 PM
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dang nabbit,
I thought I was done here. But I have been slandered I tell ya.


You quoted me in the first part but whomever said the thing about the politicians wasn't me. Go back and look who said it. It wasn't me.
apology?

ah hmm, you might have been directing you post to deadline......nevermind then....off I go.


[edit on 8-6-2008 by Res Ipsa]



posted on Jun, 8 2008 @ 05:23 PM
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Famous Kidnapping Case Implicates Top Political Figures in Child
Prostitution Network (The Johhny Gosch Case)


educate-yourself.org...



[edit on 8-6-2008 by deadline527]



posted on Jun, 8 2008 @ 05:26 PM
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jfj, exactly where did I slander anyone?
My post was not directed at anyone in particular.
In fact I was posted as a general question based on previous posts of others.



posted on Jun, 8 2008 @ 05:28 PM
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Originally posted by Bigwhammy
reply to post by jfj123
 




You're missing the point entirely. It's about freedom of speech and expression, not about pornography or religion.



I don't call simulating raping little girls "freedom of expression". Thank God the people of FL don't either. I wish they would put him in prison he's a scum bag.

[edit on 6/8/2008 by Bigwhammy]


Please show me what you're referring to?
"simulating raping little girls"
Where did you get this silly information?



posted on Jun, 8 2008 @ 05:32 PM
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Funny thing I noticed, all who are against Max add frases like "he's a scum bag" etc. Not to mention the ones who condemn porn alltogether as 'vile' etc. So it's your opinion then that should regulate the world?

As I stated before I couldn't care less if they're dressed as 2 year olds or something if they're actually 18 and doing it for their own free will. I know such material exist and I have a problem with it but that's the reason I keep away from it.

This world clearly is way too uptight, we could use way more porn and alot less religion, lawyers and politicians


Bigwhammy: Care to quote that "law"? Consending adults can do sick and twisted things, keywords _consending_ and _adults_.



posted on Jun, 8 2008 @ 05:34 PM
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Originally posted by AgentScmidt

Originally posted by jfj123

Originally posted by jimmyjackblack
Hmm... So from reading this thread, I gather that this guy, Max Hardore (LOL @ his name) is being punished for making jack-off movies (does jack-off violate the T&C on here?) about raping little girls,
-Jimmy


Where did you get this information. From what I've researched, although his movies are more extreme, they do not depict what you are describing.


Go on his website, read the description of the videos, in one video he describes his encounter with a girl as "teaching her a lesson against her will". Keep in mind she's dressed up as a 13 year old


1. I went to his website and the first thing you see is a huge black and yellow sign stating that there are no models under 18....etc....
2. How exactly do 13 year old girls dress?



posted on Jun, 8 2008 @ 05:36 PM
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Originally posted by deadline527
reply to post by jfj123
 




Famous Kidnapping Case Implicates Top Political Figures in Child
Prostitution Network (The Johhny Gosch Case)


educate-yourself.org...

[edit on 8-6-2008 by deadline527]


Interesting. But you made it sound like most or many senators are pedofiles.



posted on Jun, 8 2008 @ 05:37 PM
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Originally posted by DuneKnight
ok Im offended when you guys say that pornography is better than religion. thats so wrong. im just gonna leave this thread. and sick stuff like that shouldnt exist and porn producers all try to up the ante when it comes to sick stuff and just like consumerism people will get whatever is what there. its not that people ask for it.


Sick stuff like believing in a giant invisible man in the sky shouldn't exist. IN fact, it could very well be indicative of some other forms of mental illness such as dementia, or hallucinations.

Did you have a point?



posted on Jun, 8 2008 @ 05:41 PM
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7 Words - to quote the deftones...

you don't like it, don't watch it...

As long as they are over 18 whats the issue...

How dare the puritanical types tell other people what they may or may not enjoy?

I tell you - if some of you 'he's a scumbag' type saw some of the stuff that has gone on in my bedrooms over the years you'd have a heart attack...

Loosen up and realise what works for one doesn't work for another.

We don't stop your 'close personal relationship' with a dead long haired dude, do we?

Others may call that necrophilia...


NOTICE: this post is aimed at no-one in particular - just a random throw out there based on what i've read in this thread.


Edit: Satan cursed me...again...bring it on....shemhamforash!

[edit on 8-6-2008 by more_serotonin_pls]



posted on Jun, 8 2008 @ 05:43 PM
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Originally posted by slackerwire

Originally posted by DuneKnight
ok Im offended when you guys say that pornography is better than religion. thats so wrong. im just gonna leave this thread. and sick stuff like that shouldnt exist and porn producers all try to up the ante when it comes to sick stuff and just like consumerism people will get whatever is what there. its not that people ask for it.


Sick stuff like believing in a giant invisible man in the sky shouldn't exist. IN fact, it could very well be indicative of some other forms of mental illness such as dementia, or hallucinations.

Did you have a point?


what about a supreme being that would allow terrorists to fly into skyscrapers and kill innocent people when that being could have simply saved those innocent people with nothing more then a passing thought????? now which is worse?



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