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Max Hardcore found guilty in obscenity trial

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posted on Jun, 7 2008 @ 06:16 PM
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I guess we can thank all of the puritanical, holier than though bible freaks for this right?

Religious groups that portray themselves as "family groups" are nothing more than American versions of the Taliban.




posted on Jun, 7 2008 @ 06:19 PM
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That I can't answer. But from that documentary, I do know Max isn't exactly the law abiding guy who only does things girls are willing to do.



posted on Jun, 7 2008 @ 06:32 PM
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Sorry if this has been pointed out already, I'm off to bed and haven't read all the pages.

Max Hardcore is also in trouble for making porn with a pedophile taste. What I'm trying to say is: He's in trouble for mimicking child porn.


I don't have the source to back this up, but if you dig deeper, or have a look around on google, I'm sure something will pop up.

I also don't care what people do, as long as A.) It's not illegal and B.) The participants are doing it out of their own free will.

Freedom of speech is just that, freedom.

Any limits on it, takes the freedom away.

Peace,
FK



posted on Jun, 7 2008 @ 06:32 PM
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Sorry, this is a double post.

On a side note: Yay, my first double post on ATS!


[edit on 7-6-2008 by Frontkjemper]



posted on Jun, 7 2008 @ 06:53 PM
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Originally posted by q_ball
who cares? Max Hardcore is a sick man. Have you ever seen his stuff? lol

though on topic, who cares about one porn star/producer? Bigger problems in the world worth wasting cyber space on, as if cyber space doesnt have enough porn on it as it is!


I think the point is that whether or not you agree with his films, they do fall within the constitution is legal. So the bigger picture is that the constitution is being ignored for someones personal agenda. What's next? When will the personal feelings of these people dribble into censoring books that they feel are offensive or speeches that may be contraversial, then opinions that may be contraversial.

There's a bigger picture here.



posted on Jun, 7 2008 @ 07:25 PM
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I am not one to judge another man for any reason. I do not know Max. If he has broken the law, then I am not sure what is expected to happen. Freedom of speech and our civil rights certainly are becoming a thing of the past, but I do not believe its really applying to his situation.

I will say this though, it is disturbing what people will do for a bank account. That is something beyond my comprehension.



posted on Jun, 7 2008 @ 08:18 PM
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Originally posted by jfj123
When will the personal feelings of these people dribble into censoring books that they feel are offensive or speeches that may be contraversial, then opinions that may be contraversial.

There's a bigger picture here.


They already have.

Remember Janet Jackson's nipple?

Remember Howard Stern getting fined numerous times?

I could go on and on...



posted on Jun, 7 2008 @ 10:50 PM
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hahaha, oh well sux for him, he should have stuck to the typical story type pornos where they're on a plane and someone starts friskin it up a little, lol stuff like that, why go out and dress up girls to look like preschoolers with power ranger lunch boxes and bang em, thats just friggen ridiculous, lol

errr ya... i dont even know what im talking about, one to many beers for me



posted on Jun, 7 2008 @ 11:22 PM
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I've always wondered about one thing when it comes to porn. You have to be 18 to be in a porn movie, but if you look at the warnings at the beginning of one, you are supposed to be 21 to watch it.



posted on Jun, 7 2008 @ 11:35 PM
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I'll tell you what. I've never heard of this guy, nor do I watch porn much... got my own lover to deal with.... but...

Who is it that decides what is or is not obscene? "Good Christians"?

If they can get away with infringing on a business's right to produce a product based on what they think is decent... then when it comes time that YOU have a viewpoint that the Christians MIGHT not agree to... what right do you have to hold that opinion?

None.

If you agree with censoring his business based on his product, then you do not, nor will ever have the right to your own independent opinion. EVER.


It really is that simple.


Live and let live. If you mess with him, you yourself will not be permitted to be different from anyone else. Right down to the type of women you admire... so you like red hair huh? WRONG! You will like blond haired blue eyed good Christians, and NOTHING else!

So live with it.



posted on Jun, 8 2008 @ 12:54 AM
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The "age 21" disclaimer is to cover themselves in places where the law requires that you be 21 to view such material. If it is legal to watch at 18 in your town, you are not bound to acknowledge the disclaimer.

But if they said 18 on the video, and you had to be 21 in your state, the porn company and everyone along the way could get sued.

Here in NY State, the age of consent happens to be 17 ever since a State Senator got caught banging a seventeen year-old and the law was passed retroactively.



posted on Jun, 8 2008 @ 03:40 AM
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The guy is a dirtbag and he needs to step up and serve his time since a jury has found him guilty. Instead of whining about free speech.

That being said, He was charged originally for child pornography even though the state KNEW the girl was at least 18 and legal. How they got away with that one I can only guess. And the FBI ransacks his porn company because of, as the wikipedia article states, "research". PLEASE!!! If any argument could be made on his part, they are these 2.

Instead, he screams free speech impingement from the morality squad. He had some valid points he could have made in court, but they wanted this guy bad from the very beginning. I mean comon.. The state of California charges him for breaking a law they know from the very beginning he didn't break? How does that make sense?

-ChriS



posted on Jun, 8 2008 @ 03:51 AM
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the majority of posts seem to be from those who probably have not ever been around the porn industry, probably never been on set, or probably never knew anyone who worked in porn

i was a film student in southern california just a year ago, i know people in the porn industry, i've been on sets, I've known girls involved and I even breifly dated one.

this industry isnt a bunch of little angels running around with halo's on their heads

the majority of those in charge ARE predators and todays society has turned EVERY single young girl who is even remotely attractive, and SEVERAL who arent into potential victims. i cant name a single girl ive ever met who wouldnt do porn if they had to.

A lot of girls have several issues and problems to begin with, already have history of physical and or drug abuse

dont get me wrong not every one in the porn industry are bad people not all have been abused not all are crazy with severe psycological issues but alot are, and that makes it all too easy for people like him to victimize.

i bet half those girls were really raped, they just needed the money and/or already signed the contract so thats why they havent gone against him

maybe the law went about taking him down the wrong way, but he deserved to be taken down

porn should be more regulated and professional there are many very professional companys out there vivid to name one

and those people who make such a strong argument about older actress's being legal to look younger...yea ok fine you win that one, but do u disagree with the theory of desensativity? over time that becomes acceptable and the status quo just gets worse and worse until there are little girls being raped and pedophilia is rampant... many people defend guys like this, but i gaurentee if it was your daughter or mother or sister that was victimized by him you'd either be using the full extent of the law, or you'd kill sickos like that yourself


im not gonna say im for or against porn, but I AM against the lives it destroys and people that are victimized by creatures like max hardcore

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[edit on 8-6-2008 by Dramey]



posted on Jun, 8 2008 @ 04:33 AM
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Max's real name is Paul F. Little.
Funniest onomatopoeia Ever!



posted on Jun, 8 2008 @ 07:19 AM
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What the hell... There is far more 'abusive' stuff available for legal purchase than Max Hardcore stuff.

I guess if I ever had to call someone a 'hero' it would be Max. The scene with Rebecca Linares brings a tear to my eye every time I watch it. Cinematic genius, people.



posted on Jun, 8 2008 @ 07:50 AM
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Originally posted by Dramey
i was a film student in southern california just a year ago, i know people in the porn industry, i've been on sets, I've known girls involved and I even breifly dated one.

the majority of those in charge ARE predators and todays society has turned EVERY single young girl who is even remotely attractive, and SEVERAL who arent into potential victims. i cant name a single girl ive ever met who wouldnt do porn if they had to.


Sorry, but I just don't believe you. You are either A.) lying to promote your agenda or B.) grossly confused. The porn industry is HUGE and making comments like the "majority" of those in charge are "predators" clearly shows your bias on this issue. Maybe your girlfriend got "tricked" into doing anal with 6 guys but that doesn't make every (or even most) porn actresses a clueless, drugged out, abused mental case.

For anyone who is really interested in what goes on behind-the-scenes in the porn industry, do a little googling and you'll discover it's not as sensationalized as some make it out to be.

The anti-porn movement isn't about crime, or "the children," or those poor exploited actresses. For the religious Right, it's about sex: sex for pleasure, sex for money, sex as a way of exploring the world or affirming your personhood. And they want it stopped.

What's really interesting here is that NO ONE has mentioned why this is happening now. The Bush administration started a "war on pornography" and the entire industry has been on it's toes for the past 8 years. It's not surprising that with the exit door in sight, the current regime is rounding up whoever they can to justify all the expense they've made using our tax dollars.



im not gonna say im for or against porn, but I AM against the lives it destroys and people that are victimized by creatures like max hardcore


Two points here. 1, why would you be against porn yet date a porn actress? Are you afraid to admit you like porn? Just admit you are for it and stop lying to yourself. 2, if Max Hardcore is a "creature" does that mean those who enjoy his flicks are also "creatures?"

Sometimes I'm in the mood for a little Max Hardcore school-girl domination. So what? I don't have a problem with it and if you do, that's your problem. Don't watch it.

I think 2 girls 1 cup is obscene and disgusting but do I think we need to put the filmmakers in jail and ban those sort of "scat" movies for those who enjoy it? Absolutely not. Like an adult, I simply chose not to watch.



posted on Jun, 8 2008 @ 08:00 AM
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The porn industry can be pretty bad, and Max is certainly towrad the top of the list of scumbags. But that is not the issue here. The real issue is that porn is a hot-button issue, so it's easiest to start tearing down our rights there. What did he do that was actually illegal? Clearly illegal that is.



the majority of those in charge ARE predators and todays society has turned EVERY single young girl who is even remotely attractive, and SEVERAL who arent into potential victims. i cant name a single girl ive ever met who wouldnt do porn if they had to.


Yes, if they had to. So then, is it the fault of the porn industry that society allows women to fall into such dire straits that they are willing to be subjected to such abuses and violations?

I know plenty of women who stay in abusive relationships because they need a place to live, and working 60 hours at a burger joint doesn't pay the rent.



maybe the law went about taking him down the wrong way, but he deserved to be taken down


It is your own opinion that he needed to be taken down. What if it becomes someone's opinion that you need to be taken down for being a film student? Wether he deserved it or not is irrelevant. There are those that could make the same argument you have here, about Waco, and Ruby Ridge.



porn should be more regulated and professional there are many very professional companys out there vivid to name one


But the fact is that the industry is becoming less professional for various reasons (watch Boogie Nights), though regulation seems to be somewhat unpredictable, with this case as a key example.



and those people who make such a strong argument about older actress's being legal to look younger...yea ok fine you win that one, but do u disagree with the theory of desensativity?


But that is already happening across the board in our society. With language, sex, and violence. Can't blame Max for that.




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posted on Jun, 8 2008 @ 08:19 AM
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Maybe this guy should be banned/arrested/waterboarded/tortured, whatever...



Watch the whole movie here on ATS Premium Video...

video.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Jun, 8 2008 @ 08:59 AM
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Here's a DOJ release regarding the indictment.

Caution: Contains descriptions of the content of the videos in question, albeit in normally acceptable language.

www.justice.gov...



posted on Jun, 8 2008 @ 09:35 AM
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The point isn't whether or not Max is a scumbag, the point is that in the United States, even scumbags are protected under the Constitution and when their protection is illegally removed, it means anyones protection can be removed.

Also keep in mind that these porn actresses are hired on a volunteer basis. Nobody forces them to act in the movies. If someone does then that is a crime and should be prosecuted in EVERY WAY POSSIBLE.

On a side note, I think 18 is too young to decide whether or not you want to be in porn. 21 is the drinking age in the United States for a reason so if it were up to me, I'd raise the age to 21 in the porn industry also.



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