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Max Hardcore found guilty in obscenity trial

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posted on Jun, 9 2008 @ 01:04 PM
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Originally posted by Dinamo
first of all I like porn (god bless internet) so you don't say i'm some kind of religious fanatic.
Before this thread I never heard of this guy but when i read this i downloaded some of his movies.

his movies...

"rape fetish" i don't get - or most of his stuff that is at least weird

second - i would investigate one thing - seems to me that some girls are on heavy drugs getting the same rape "fetish"

I usually don't agree with bans but this guy; can't feel sorry for him
to all of people defending him without arguments
If you didn't watch his stuff - please do so before making a comment

P.S. i'm not familiar with laws in U.S. so can anybody explain me why was he sentenced


Thats the beauty of freedom. You dont have to "get it", you just have to respect his right to produce it, whether you agree with it or not.




posted on Jun, 9 2008 @ 01:07 PM
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Originally posted by DuneKnight
does any one remember this case that happened a while back. let me tell you about:

there was this lonely middle aged guy living with his old mother, one day he heard female screams and such from his neighbor's house. so thinking that someone was being raped, he grabbed his antique sword and knocked on his neighbor's door. no body answered so he barged in the house asking for the location of the girl while threatening him with the sword. it turns out that the guy was watching a porn movie and the volume was at max (pun intended). anyway the dude with the sword went to prison for violating someone's privacy.

and all of you need to stop using religion as a scapegoat. its absurd to attack religion here. its like juxtaposing two different things: porn and religion. you guys got no logic, listen to urselves first.



[edit on 9-6-2008 by DuneKnight]

[edit on 9-6-2008 by DuneKnight]


Sword guy should have gone to prison. He should also feel lucky that the homeowner didn't end his life for breaking into his house while wielding a sword.

Religion does have a place in this debate, as it does with ALL forms of censorship.

Sadly, religion sticks its nose into everything and everywhere that it doesn't belong.



posted on Jun, 9 2008 @ 01:27 PM
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actually religion didnt transpire into this thread until you brought it up, either you or that bald eagle dude. you both seem to like that scumbag so much, that im beginning to think that one of you is max hardcore himself
from what i read from other websites even pornstars resent and despise the scumbag and blame him for ruining the image of the porn industry. not that it wasn't ruined already. so stop defending him.

and personally i think the story i wrote is important because usually people nowadays are individualistic and only think about themselves without a care in the world for who needs help around them. didnt you see that video on that ATS thread showing a guy lying on the middle of the highway after being hit by a car. no one helped him everyone was busy doing/thinking about something else.



posted on Jun, 9 2008 @ 01:55 PM
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Originally posted by DuneKnight
reply to post by slackerwire
 


actually religion didnt transpire into this thread until you brought it up, either you or that bald eagle dude. you both seem to like that scumbag so much, that im beginning to think that one of you is max hardcore himself
from what i read from other websites even pornstars resent and despise the scumbag and blame him for ruining the image of the porn industry. not that it wasn't ruined already. so stop defending him.

and personally i think the story i wrote is important because usually people nowadays are individualistic and only think about themselves without a care in the world for who needs help around them. didnt you see that video on that ATS thread showing a guy lying on the middle of the highway after being hit by a car. no one helped him everyone was busy doing/thinking about something else.



I agree with how sad it is that no one helps anyone these days. But, I do not think he should have threatened a man with a sword in his own house. There is a time to help and a time to give people their privacy, although I am sure someone will argue what if it was a real situation and he did save someones life - my answer to that is we cannot take away freedoms based on what if's. I do commend the guy for trying to do what was right, I just think he went about it in a wrong way.



posted on Jun, 9 2008 @ 05:27 PM
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Originally posted by Bigwhammy



My parents were great people. They did what they knew to do to raise two girls and a boy. We had many opportunities to "expand our horizons". We never had a need for anything that money could buy. When I was 14 I spent the night at a friends house. She invited a boy over that I had not yet met, but whom I desired to know. This boy raped me that night. I never went through the recovery of the rape and began drinking to numb the pain. When I was 16 I had my first abortion and at 18 I began smoking pot. I got married at 20 and six months into my marriage pornography was introduced.



www.victimsofpornography.org...


 

Edit to remove overly large copy-and-paste from the source.

[edit on 8-6-2008 by SkepticOverlord]


Your logic here is beyond absurd !!!!!
You gloss over the fact that she was raped at 14. She had no choice. That is a crime.
She later decided to watch porn. Her choice.

Please actually spend some time thinking about your post before actually posting that way you won't embarrass yourself.



posted on Jun, 9 2008 @ 05:30 PM
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Ohhh, I missed the part where she was raped. That explains it a bit.



posted on Jun, 9 2008 @ 05:34 PM
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Originally posted by Camilo1

Originally posted by deadline527
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Rough sex is far from rape. Very very far. He was selling the exact same thing that countless other companies market, just they felt the need to make an example out of him for some reason.


Let`s see, a girl simulating she is not more than 15 years old. Probably dressed as a schoolgirl, holding a teddy bear maybe, and here comes this old dirty man and teaches her the "lesson", rough sex involving an old man and what would seem to be a underage girl.

A child molester DREAM comes true.

Your point is????????

If one of this people is stopped that makes me happy, I wish it was all of them. This is not about freedom of speech or expression, it is about a type of entertaintment that is unacceptable, and even before you start, I`m not talking about pornography, after all you have to be willing to get, but it, use it, or make it, and no state should tell people what is wrong or right. Selling rape fantasy is unacceptable.

Hope I have made myself clear enough.


So are you saying the people molest children because of max hardcores films? So the molestors themselves are not bad people or responsible for their actions and they never would have done it in the first place if it wasn't put into their mind by good ole' max????



posted on Jun, 9 2008 @ 05:36 PM
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Originally posted by BadgerJoe
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But it does violate the laws of that community as determined by them. They determined that it has no redeeming social or artistic merit, and they acted on that.


Community law cannot override Constitutional law.



posted on Jun, 9 2008 @ 05:38 PM
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Originally posted by BadgerJoe
reply to post by slackerwire
 


I doubt it will be overturned, it's a community standards based decision and it's not like there is any real merit to his product. It's not a political or religious statement of any kind and it's clearly a commercial product.
Tho I guess if he was sodomizing someone and he said "I'm doing to you what Bush has done to America", there might be some grounds for appeal.


Constitutional law overrides community laws.



posted on Jun, 9 2008 @ 05:40 PM
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Originally posted by BadgerJoe
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I would guess that the FL state constitution gives them the authority, just as any other state constitution gives a state the authority to make a law.


Please don't make claims then just "guess" . Please back up what you're saying with actual evidence. Show how local community laws can overrride The United States Constitution.



posted on Jun, 9 2008 @ 05:42 PM
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Originally posted by Camilo1

Originally posted by slackerwire
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a) This doesn't involve children, it involves adults

b) This isn't rape.

c) Source for your claim "most child rapists" love this kind of porn?

For a moment lets assume you are correct. The girls in this kind of porn are portrayed as 15, 16, or 17 year olds. That certainly isn't a child.


This is the last time I reply to you, since you seem to be o.k. with this garbage and I am not.

1) This involves girls who are barely 18 playing the role of UNDERAGE girls.

Please show specific evidence to the actual ages of the actresses.


2) This is simulated rape.

No it's not.



posted on Jun, 9 2008 @ 05:43 PM
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misread

[edit on 9-6-2008 by Sublime620]



posted on Jun, 9 2008 @ 05:47 PM
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Originally posted by riley

Originally posted by Flory
People are responsible for their own actions (PERIOD)

Nobody points a gun to their head and makes them do porn.

How can you say this for sure? Sex slavery is huge business.. we don't know if they're bars on the windows or if they were forced in other ways.

Yes I agree sex workers might get stoned in order to 'work'.. others might be drugged though to make sure they don't change their minds.


Do you have ANY evidence to suggest ANYTHING you just said? Just curious.



posted on Jun, 9 2008 @ 05:52 PM
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Originally posted by DuneKnight
does any one remember this case that happened a while back. let me tell you about:

there was this lonely middle aged guy living with his old mother, one day he heard female screams and such from his neighbor's house. so thinking that someone was being raped, he grabbed his antique sword and knocked on his neighbor's door. no body answered so he barged in the house asking for the location of the girl while threatening him with the sword. it turns out that the guy was watching a porn movie and the volume was at max (pun intended). anyway the dude with the sword went to prison for violating someone's privacy.

What's your point?


and all of you need to stop using religion as a scapegoat. its absurd to attack religion here. its like juxtaposing two different things: porn and religion. you guys got no logic, listen to urselves first.
[edit on 9-6-2008 by DuneKnight]

[edit on 9-6-2008 by DuneKnight]


Stop making porn the scapegoat. More evil things have been done in the name of religion then in the name of porn.



posted on Jun, 9 2008 @ 05:54 PM
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Originally posted by DuneKnight
reply to post by Sublime620
 


the story i provided proves a dilemma. is it real or not? does violence on TV seem real enough to give bad influence? what is Privacy? does porn disturb the harmony of society?

What if the guy was watching COPS???? or any other show such as Stargate SG-1 really loud and heard screams??? Do we now ban those shows?



posted on Jun, 9 2008 @ 06:00 PM
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Originally posted by DuneKnight
reply to post by slackerwire
 


actually religion didnt transpire into this thread until you brought it up, either you or that bald eagle dude.

It may have been me when you starting preaching. By the way, my name isn't bald eagle dude.


you both seem to like that scumbag so much, that im beginning to think that one of you is max hardcore himself

As a matter of fact I don't like his movies. I've seen a few and they're not for me. And if you actually read my posts you'd know that has never been part of my argument.


from what i read from other websites even pornstars resent and despise the scumbag and blame him for ruining the image of the porn industry. not that it wasn't ruined already. so stop defending him.

Please post your sources.



posted on Jun, 9 2008 @ 06:22 PM
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Some questions to the experts:

1. Isnt pretending to show pedophilia the same thing as endorsing it?

2. Is it not illegal to exploit women in desperate need of money?



posted on Jun, 9 2008 @ 06:29 PM
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I guess that depends on what state you are in (in reference to prostitution). Also, in terms of legality, I don't believe porno and prostitution are even on the same plane.



posted on Jun, 9 2008 @ 06:30 PM
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Originally posted by Skyfloating
Some questions to the experts:

1. Isnt pretending to show pedophilia the same thing as endorsing it?

Not a question for this discussion in my opinion.


2. Is it not illegal to exploit women in desperate need of money?

Everyone who works for someone is exploited.

And no it's not illegal to ask someone to do something for money as long as that "thing" is legal to begin with. If they want to do it, they'll do it. There are always other options then doing porn.



posted on Jun, 9 2008 @ 06:37 PM
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Originally posted by Sublime620
I don't believe porno and prostitution are even on the same plane.


Yes they are. Both involve getting paid for sex.



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