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Max Hardcore found guilty in obscenity trial

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posted on Jun, 8 2008 @ 10:05 PM
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That is neither here nor there in regards to this case. He made a product that the citizens in FL did not want sold there. If there was some other method of preventing the selling of it in FL, I'm fairly sure that route would have been taken.
Personally, I think there is what I call "good porn" and "bad porn". Meaning that it's not full of negative images and themes like rape and the degradation of those that perform in it.
You want to sell something that has people in it having fun with without being treated like crap, more power to you.

[edit on 8-6-2008 by BadgerJoe]




posted on Jun, 8 2008 @ 10:07 PM
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to sublime

the parents are to blame...yea ur right except i have to point out that ALOT of ppl having kids now a days are kids themselves

uneducated and low on the economic standpoint, several of whom are unfit to take care of themselves let alone raise children and implement good values kids raising kids in a violent corrupt immorral situation is a viscious cycle and those of us who arent walking around with closed eyes can see this cycle taking place in every inner city and moving up the economic ladder


I have freinds that i am personally speaking about right now, they are good hearted people with good means, yet the society they were raised in has affected their mentality so much so that it is truely impossible for them to be good parents no matter how hard they try and people like max hardcore just victimize and continue the cycle in the name of money

yes are parents to be held accountable, sure, but who do u hold accountable when the people having kids are kids themselves.
and just because youre of adult age, that does not make you an adult in my book, i see SEVERAL 30-40-even 50 year olds now that are just as much child like in ability and knowledge as a 15 year old


they dont know any better in order to be able to prevent their kids from going down this path because things like this have been corrupting our culture in a way that its all the kids who are having kids know (im not blaming all of parents ignorance on porn as there are several factors, economic hardships improper laws police abuse educational drawbacks, etc)


and slackerwire

you spoke of the fact that if they sign contracts and get paid they arent victims then
well it sounds like you dont have much experience with contracts, if i am wrong i apologize but then i ask u to take a look at a legal document from the standpoint of a just turned 18 year old who dropped out of highschool was abused by whoever and has a drug problem, let me know how the contract thing goes then

most of us would stop to read a contract before signing, alot of us smart people would even go as far to have a lawyer review it before signing

these girls dont have that much at their disposal, their straight off the street and many are probably drugged when they sign the contracts

your whole contract defense for the guys like max hardcore is a great defense that would hold a lot of weight in the court of law, but just because a girl signs a contract is by no means a guarantee that she understands that contract nor does that contract gaurentee her safety during the filming

i know personally on legal documents, i myself have a hard time understanding the exact lingo and all the fine print sometimes, now imagine trying to figure it out after a drug binge or some other incredibly emotional trying situation that would put you in a situation where u consider porn

then after the contracts are signed and the crimes are committed, theres a contract so the girl feels helpless and even in cases where the girl will have a case, she doesnt have the money or knowledge to pursue legal proceedings

the law really normally only protects those who have the money to use the law


since this is a thread thats getting to be about religion and porn,
and i am showing i am on the side that this part of porn is dangerous
id just like to say that i am not a "bible thumper" and in fact i do feel religions are a major problem in todays world, i want that to be known because i dont want people trying to thrive on the fact that what im saying may have religious undertones because that is not the case

i respect all the opinions here but people are getting caught up on the legalities of a seedy industry and ignoring common knowledge of what takes place behind the scenes of these people who are involved



posted on Jun, 8 2008 @ 10:08 PM
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Rough sex is far from rape. Very very far. He was selling the exact same thing that countless other companies market, just they felt the need to make an example out of him for some reason.



posted on Jun, 8 2008 @ 10:09 PM
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It's not the titles, it's the content. His films push things to the absolute limits, hence the moniker of "Max Hardcore".



posted on Jun, 8 2008 @ 10:10 PM
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I am sure them films have the exact same content = adults acting like they are young teens being "taught a lesson" by daddy. While I find it sickening that someone would market such a thing, he is clearly not the only person doing it.



posted on Jun, 8 2008 @ 10:13 PM
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It's not the "plotline', if you call it a plot, it's the acts performed and how they are performed. Very rough sex, simulated rape, urination and verbal abuse just for starters. His product is far from the what is considered the norm in the porn industry.

[edit on 8-6-2008 by BadgerJoe]



posted on Jun, 8 2008 @ 10:14 PM
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Originally posted by jimmyx

Originally posted by Bigwhammy
reply to post by Sublime620
 


Hugh marketed it and sold it to America. But Porn is just a symptom of a larger moral decay. MTV would have been called porn in the 1950s.

We are going the way of Rome I fear.

The Decline of America


well finally ....i do agree with your very last sentence, but for different reasons...i wish more people would get mad as hell and petition our government in mass to make some long needed changes



i think this is one of the best statements ive read on this board
too many people are just standing by while everything that this nation was created for is being destroyed by people who are twisting the laws implemented by our forefathers to work in their criminal favor

this case is not what our leaders had in mind when they created the constitution

each day that goes by the morals and intelligence of our society go down the drain deeper and deeper

not too long ago i saw idiocracy www.imdb.com...

and as im watching it seemed soo absurd and rediculous, but that was just what i wanted to believe, fact of the matter is everyday that comes and goes we move one step closer to this mass ignorance. the cycle needs to be broken



posted on Jun, 8 2008 @ 10:16 PM
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Sure thing:


A lower per capita crime rate and historically high availability of pornography in many developed European countries (e.g. Netherlands, Sweden) has some researchers to conclude that there is an inverse relationship between the two, such that an increased availability of pornography in a society equates to a decrease in sexual crime.[12] Some researchers speculate that wide availability of pornography may reduce crimes by giving potential offenders a socially accepted way of regulating their own sexuality. Moreover, there is some evidence that states within the U.S. that have lower rates of internet access have a greater incidence of rape.[13]


Source for footnote 12

Source for footnote 13

Also another interesting study found here



posted on Jun, 8 2008 @ 10:18 PM
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I can definitely see that. Porn gives many people a way to express some of their dark or unacceptable desires without actually committing them.



posted on Jun, 8 2008 @ 10:18 PM
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He made a LEGAL product (the product doesn't violate any laws), and simply because some people objected to the content he was convicted. That is inherently wrong, and as I said before, goes against the foundations of what this nation was founded upon.

If they dont like it, they dont have to buy it. Nothing could be simpler.



posted on Jun, 8 2008 @ 10:20 PM
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Happen to have a factual, unbiased source for any of your claims, such as the girls are "drugged" when signing a contract?

A porn contract isn't a lengthy document filled with legalese, the girl knows what is expected of her, how much she will be paid, and she waives any rights to the material produced.



posted on Jun, 8 2008 @ 10:21 PM
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Originally posted by slackerwire
reply to post by BadgerJoe
 


He made a LEGAL product (the product doesn't violate any laws), and simply because some people objected to the content he was convicted. That is inherently wrong, and as I said before, goes against the foundations of what this nation was founded upon.

If they dont like it, they dont have to buy it. Nothing could be simpler.



Know what could have been simpler? If instead of a conviction, they just stopped its sale in the community that it was deemed offensive in. But who would have thought of that?



posted on Jun, 8 2008 @ 10:22 PM
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Originally posted by BadgerJoe
reply to post by deadline527
 


It's not the "plotline', if you call it a plot, it's the acts performed and how they are performed. Very rough sex, simulated rape, urination and verbal abuse just for starters. His product is far from the what is considered the norm in the porn industry.

[edit on 8-6-2008 by BadgerJoe]


He wouldn't be making those films if there wasn't a market for them.

The market determines the content.



posted on Jun, 8 2008 @ 10:23 PM
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Looks like the people in FL thought what he made was an illegal product and acted accordingly by their laws. Legal in one place isn't always legal in another, afterall.



posted on Jun, 8 2008 @ 10:23 PM
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He has a right to sell a legal product anywhere he chooses.



posted on Jun, 8 2008 @ 10:24 PM
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Well the whole "drugged" concept would be case-by-case. We can't all go assume that every girl that does porn is tricked while she is high on drugs.

If the girl can prove that she was, and was not in a state to understand the contract, then she may have a case. It would be tough to prove. It doesn't really matter anyway.

I'm not sure what exactly everyone is arguing about. Do people really think that banning porn will solve anything?



posted on Jun, 8 2008 @ 10:24 PM
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Originally posted by BadgerJoe
reply to post by slackerwire
 


Looks like the people in FL thought what he made was an illegal product and acted accordingly by their laws. Legal in one place isn't always legal in another, afterall.


Until they actually define specifically what is considered "obscene" that law has no legal ground to stand on. It's only there as a result of the puritanical retards in that community.



posted on Jun, 8 2008 @ 10:25 PM
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Originally posted by deadline527
reply to post by Camilo1
 


Rough sex is far from rape. Very very far. He was selling the exact same thing that countless other companies market, just they felt the need to make an example out of him for some reason.


Let`s see, a girl simulating she is not more than 15 years old. Probably dressed as a schoolgirl, holding a teddy bear maybe, and here comes this old dirty man and teaches her the "lesson", rough sex involving an old man and what would seem to be a underage girl.

A child molester DREAM comes true.

Your point is????????

If one of this people is stopped that makes me happy, I wish it was all of them. This is not about freedom of speech or expression, it is about a type of entertaintment that is unacceptable, and even before you start, I`m not talking about pornography, after all you have to be willing to get, but it, use it, or make it, and no state should tell people what is wrong or right. Selling rape fantasy is unacceptable.

Hope I have made myself clear enough.



posted on Jun, 8 2008 @ 10:25 PM
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Originally posted by AshleyD
What if I had said, 'As usual, the liberal left is trying to tell us all how to think?' Well, for one I would probably get in trouble for political baiting knowing my luck. But mostly it would look like I'm not open to an opposing perspective. Three or four times in the last two pages alone I have seen snide remarks to the conservative view. So exactly who is trying to press the other side into submission? We're here and we have an opinion on the matter. Hopefully we are welcome in this thread and the personal sniping will subside.


ok, here goes...i'm on the left, but hardly noam chomsky left. but in this day and age, if you live in, and are a citizen of the U.S., being on the left means your a communist or an america-hater according to the right-wing media...and i'm just getting sick and tired of this type of mentality. it seems that alot of european countries are far more liberal then us and subsequently, their general population are treated with more respect and dignity. but this very proof, that governments can serve people better, when some (and i mean some, not all) liberal programs are put into place, unleashes such verbal vomit about some billionaires and millionaires having to pay more taxes, that these ideas are simply non-gratis, and are quickly dispensed into the toilet of republican outrage. so ...to all you neocon republicans...grow up, quit your incessent whining, stop talking about what a disaster it would be if the wealthy had to pay more taxes, and quit trying to screw the middle/lower class out of every last dollar they have, by,... inflating the dollar, doing nothing about the rise in oil, doing nothing about the horrendous cost of healthcare, aiding with the shipping offshore of good american jobs, keeping fear of another terriost attack on the public front-burner, turning a blind eye on the mortgage and banking corporations when they were handing out 100% subprime home loans. attacking, invading, and taking over an entire country based on fear and lies to the american public. and just remember this...gun ownership is not mutually exclusive to republicans.

and about snide remarks, i just don't care anymore, republicans have done everything they can to push this country into 3rd world status and all you have to do is walk around any middle/lower class neighborhood in any corner of this country and ask people...they'll be saying alot more then just "SNIDE" remarks.

and what does this have to do with the OP....i like sex and looking at naked women, and it's a hell of alot better then the the republicans jerking off to shootin' sumthin', killin'sumthin', bombin' sumthin'

[edit on 8-6-2008 by jimmyx]

[edit on 8-6-2008 by jimmyx]



posted on Jun, 8 2008 @ 10:26 PM
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The content can often drive a market esp when it involves some form of media pushing it. And just because there is a demand for it, it does not mean that that demand should be met.



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