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Max Hardcore found guilty in obscenity trial

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posted on Jun, 8 2008 @ 09:23 PM
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Originally posted by Bigwhammy
reply to post by slackerwire
 


Still dancing away from the question I see. Resorting to ad hominem attacks now too. Getting desperate?


Obviously its OK to impose values - when you agree with the values.


You asked who do "religious people" think they are imposing their values. So I tried to find something you might consider offensive (if that's even possible) and asked who are you to impose your values? But you can't answer that. Why not?




Do you seriously need me to answer the question of who am I to impose my morals on a pedophile?

If you actually need an answer to that question, go set yourself on fire.

Child molestation= an attack on an unconsenting child.

Porn= CONSENTING adults taking part in a private contract.




posted on Jun, 8 2008 @ 09:23 PM
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Wow, I get sick and come back and there are ten pages of post on this, interesting, I should get sick more often. One point I am going to make real quick, since everyone else has made the arguments that I was going to. PEDOPHILIA is not wanting to have sex with teenage girls. It is wanting to have sex with PREPUBESCANT children. To everyone that is calling Max Hardcore's films borderline pedo films, you are wrong, look up the terms, they have different views. Nwo, someone is going to respond to me stating "Well Finn, Just because we got the word wrong means these films are ok?" My answer? Yes, they are simply that, fake films. There is no child pornography going on there is no snuff. t is completely ok, except the moral right has taken it upon themselves to decide what is right or wrong for everyone (again).

By the way, to the person who said that finding a woman who looks underage and in pigtails attractive means you are sick, my woman is 21 wears pigtails a lot, is petite, and some would mistake her for being underage. Does that make me a sicko in your eyes to? If it does, youa re the one with the problem, seeing a child where there is obviously none. happy debating, I gotta go to work.



posted on Jun, 8 2008 @ 09:25 PM
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Originally posted by Bigwhammy



So by your logic its wrong to impose our values on a pedophile. That's your defense back at you. You can justify anything. Hotler believed what he was doing was right. Does that mean we shouldn't impose our values on him?


You are absolutely ridiculous.

a criminal attack causing irreparable damage on a CHILD is not the same as porn.

It isnt a moral topic, it is a criminal one.



posted on Jun, 8 2008 @ 09:27 PM
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Originally posted by AshleyD


Oh ok. Well then tell me that when I show up at your door to clean out your porn collection because at the moment we're merely sharing ideas on an internet forum.


Too bad other religious nuts don't share your mindset. Instead we have Taliban like groups such as the American Decency Association, and the Parents Tv Council



posted on Jun, 8 2008 @ 09:29 PM
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Originally posted by Sublime620
reply to post by Bigwhammy
 

Porn is a far cry from the real problem. Sure, porn is not the greatest thing to hit the world by storm... but due to it's popularity, I'd say it serves some purpose.


well said. in other parts of the world, women are treated far worse then here and in most parts of europe. porn is way down on the list in those countries as it pertains to the "victimization of women"

[edit on 8-6-2008 by jimmyx]



posted on Jun, 8 2008 @ 09:33 PM
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Originally posted by Finn1916
except the moral right has taken it upon themselves to decide what is right or wrong for everyone (again).


What if I had said, 'As usual, the liberal left is trying to tell us all how to think?' Well, for one I would probably get in trouble for political baiting knowing my luck. But mostly it would look like I'm not open to an opposing perspective. Three or four times in the last two pages alone I have seen snide remarks to the conservative view. So exactly who is trying to press the other side into submission? We're here and we have an opinion on the matter. Hopefully we are welcome in this thread and the personal sniping will subside.



posted on Jun, 8 2008 @ 09:33 PM
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Sorry obscenity is a moral topic. And you never did answer the question - with out God there is no basis for morality but human opinions.

Then you pick and choose what you like la la la dee da

Hitlers opinion or Mother Theresa's opinion --- just like chocolate and vanilla.


Here I just made a video on morality in my studio.


Porn degrades women and makes them victims whether the livberals made it legal or not and everyone knows it. If you ever have a daughter iI bet you don't want her in it.

I'm out of this cesspool - try rationalizing Max Hardcore to your Mothers smut fans



posted on Jun, 8 2008 @ 09:37 PM
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Please stay gone.

Exactly what question do you want answered?


Porn is a moral topic only in the sense that those who have a problem with it attempt to impose their morals on everyone else.

Porn isn't thrown in your face. No one is forced to watch it.

Same thing goes with TV and Radio. If you don't like what you are seeing/hearing, turn the freaking channel. Why can you not understand that?

Porn doesn't degrade women, or make them victims. If you actually had the slightest amount of knowledge of that industry, you would know women have the power in it. Moreso than in corporate America.

Those who grew up repressed, sheltered, or in a devout religious household, simply cannot comprehend the fact that people enjoy having sex, and that getting paid for it is a pretty nice benefit.


[edit on 8-6-2008 by slackerwire]



posted on Jun, 8 2008 @ 09:42 PM
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That's something totally different from this situation.
That is crossing into a true, IMO, 1st amendment issue regarding Religion, and not addressing a simple matter of a guy trying to make a buck off porn and crying 1st amendment violations.


[edit on 8-6-2008 by BadgerJoe]



posted on Jun, 8 2008 @ 09:46 PM
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In other parts of the world, namely quite a few European countries that are far less sexually repressed like the U.S. is, sexual crimes have gone down the more acceptance of porn has gone up.



posted on Jun, 8 2008 @ 09:49 PM
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My parents were great people. They did what they knew to do to raise two girls and a boy. We had many opportunities to "expand our horizons". We never had a need for anything that money could buy. When I was 14 I spent the night at a friends house. She invited a boy over that I had not yet met, but whom I desired to know. This boy raped me that night. I never went through the recovery of the rape and began drinking to numb the pain. When I was 16 I had my first abortion and at 18 I began smoking pot. I got married at 20 and six months into my marriage pornography was introduced.



www.victimsofpornography.org...




 

Edit to remove overly large copy-and-paste from the source.

[edit on 8-6-2008 by SkepticOverlord]



posted on Jun, 8 2008 @ 09:53 PM
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A few of might need to look into this...



Feel like you can't stop looking at porn? Since 1997, this site has helped men and women of all backgrounds recover from pornography addiction. The tools we recommend here have been tried and tested. Whether you or someone you care about is struggling with this addiction, we hope that you find this site helpful.
www.no-porn.com...



posted on Jun, 8 2008 @ 09:53 PM
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Was there a point to that?

Need I list the stories of lives destroyed by religion?



posted on Jun, 8 2008 @ 09:53 PM
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My humble opinion:

Some people have mentioned the girls involved in this kind of films. To me
girls involved in porn are not the victims that they would want society to believe they are, they go into the industry because of money, large quantities of money that they would not be able to get in any other lawful activity. Most of them regret their decisions as they get older and try to clean up their records by getting into other activities, but not one of them gives the money they got back.

This man that was found guilty was not taking any advantage of these girls, they were there for the money that he was willing to pay them.

But don`t believe for a second that I`m o.k. with the existance of this material.

I believe that the judge made the right decision.

Consenting sex between adults to many people is the lowest acceptable standard, to me it isn`t. This man wasn`t selling sex between adults. He was selling an illegal, filthy and atrocious fantasy, sex with a minor, and although I haven`t seen his movies I am almost certain that it was rough sex, in other words rape.

I am not o.k. with censorship but a guy who feeds the rotten imagination of child molesters must be stopped.

This is not a debate between political ideologies (conservative vs. liberal view) it is about principles.



posted on Jun, 8 2008 @ 09:55 PM
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B-O-O-H-O-O

It's a sob story. Why are you focusing on the porn? What about the drug addiction or stripping?

She made bad choices. She got into porn. So she apparently had decent parents... exception that proves the rule?


You can't go on a crusade against porn. It's just not logical.

Most important, Whamster, it won't solve ANYTHING. You know I have respect for your opinions... and we even agree on a lot of things. But I just can't see eye-to-eye with you on this one.

I'm going to have to call... agree to disagree. Pornography means whales vagina.



posted on Jun, 8 2008 @ 09:58 PM
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Originally posted by Bigwhammy
A few of might need to look into this...



Feel like you can't stop looking at porn? Since 1997, this site has helped men and women of all backgrounds recover from pornography addiction. The tools we recommend here have been tried and tested. Whether you or someone you care about is struggling with this addiction, we hope that you find this site helpful.
www.no-porn.com...



Hahaha yea, right

Like to watch porn? Youre addicted!!!!! Turn to religion so the church can get your money while filling your brain with senseless lies.

What a joke



posted on Jun, 8 2008 @ 10:01 PM
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Originally posted by slackerwire
reply to post by BadgerJoe
 


In other parts of the world, namely quite a few European countries that are far less sexually repressed like the U.S. is, sexual crimes have gone down the more acceptance of porn has gone up.


I have been following this thread and everything I would want to say has already been mentioned....but I wanted to address THIS


Can you please provide facts to back up this claim? Thanks, im curious as to whether or not this is true.



posted on Jun, 8 2008 @ 10:01 PM
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I did a bit of research, highly intensive and quite daunting actually. I went to the first adult dvd website on Google, and wanted to see the names of some of their selection to see if this Max Hardcore guy is doing something that somehow no one else dares push the limit on.

My findings were as I expected...

Teens in Toyland, I Swear I'm 18, She is Half My Age, It's A Daddy Thing, My Mom and Me.

There was literally hundreds if not thousands of videos depicting the exact same thing this guy is apparently being prosecuted for. Why him? Why not any of these other countless companies?



posted on Jun, 8 2008 @ 10:01 PM
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Oh, is it like AA?

I can't stand how they try to force religion on people who want help. Honestly, they make it like the first step. I wouldn't even bother, even if I needed the help.

The South Park episode where Stan's dad thought he was an alcoholic was the best.



posted on Jun, 8 2008 @ 10:04 PM
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*edited: misread

[edit on 8-6-2008 by Sublime620]



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