Europeans View America as a 'Force For Evil' Under Bush

reply to post by neformore

We have a world wide depression on our hands with Bush in charge though, both fiscally and emotionally

More and more countries are falling into a depression .. yes, as I mentioned Iceland and Ireland.. the UK, Germany and the US seem to be leading the world there.

But....the thing is that the UK isn't great. It has its problems.

That's my point.. it's stupid to hate another country because it "has problems" America has a crap ton of problems.. and it's worse here because for being such a big power we should prevent them. Simply refuting what Stu said.

Oddly its a socialist government that followed you into Iraq and you thought that was a good idea...

One thing above all others bonds all of Humanity. Self preservation. The UK and the US needed that war desperately.. and now we need a new one. The UK is walking the same tightrope that America is.. We went there for economic reasons not just for the sake of playing around in the giant sandbox.

We know our faults and can admit to them - can you really say the same?

Have you ever read my posts on ATS? I am going to guess not..

Originally posted by Rockpuck
One thing above all others bonds all of Humanity. Self preservation. The UK and the US needed that war desperately.. and now we need a new one.

No, we don't. We need to get out of the old one, look introspectively and understand we've become everything we used to condemn. THEN we need to figure out a way of putting it right that doesn't involve making the same mistakes as before. It will take extraordinary courage to do it, but thats the bottom line.

Have you ever read my posts on ATS? I am going to guess not..

Yeah I have I was just trying to the admission

So the world hates us because of Bush? Hmmm....good thing he will be out of office pretty soon. I guess we can all breathe a sigh of relief then.

Maybe everybody will like us again if we elect Obama and become weakened nation of Liberal Socialist Hippies under his guidance.




Now that I think about it, I was not aware that America was in a global popularity contest.

Well I live in Wales (duh). And I have to say that there is a tipical stereotype for america here in Wales. But I have to say that is partly because when asked most americans say Wales is part of England. The welsh dont like this because most are happy to be a seperate country to England, like me. (This is in no way an offence to the English) But I can see why that some europeans may see that bush is evil. ( although I think that is taking it to far)

Originally posted by neformore


We have a world wide depression on our hands with Bush in charge though, both fiscally and emotionally

It's a fallacy to believe that the President can cause such influence on the economy. Let alone drag the entire world into a depression. You give him too much credit.

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reply to post by welsh alien


I think it's just a misunderstanding. England and Wales are both part of the United Kingdom but each is still individual. That combined with the fact that Wales was part of the Kingdom of England lends more confusion. Add to that the Prince of Wales is the Queen of England's son...
Yes maybe not well informed but an innocent mistake none the less.

By "Europeans" we really seem to be talking about the British here. As a nation, they are an easily influenced people in my experience, and with the BBC and other liberal news sources continually looking for new ways to attack the United States, they are now slaves to their own propaganda.

It never ceases to amaze me that with all the genuine evil in the world, the British are still obsessed by every ill advised or questionable move the US makes, the cause of this mass stupidity is one of the few genuine conspiracies in this world.

Since the UK along with France is steadily sliding from a condition of delusional socialism into that of a Muslim satellite state, these anti-American opinions are only going to harden over time and become increasingly scathing. Although it will be hilarious to watch the British try to deal with the concept of Barack Obama as US president, since criticism of minorities is simply unacceptable in their fevered PC directed minds.

For all the British hatred of the US, it is perhaps interesting to count the ever increasing number of Brits trying (and regrettably succeeding) in emigrating to the US. I hear their emigration statistics are the highest on record for 2007, perhaps they are just trying to export their successful socialist policies to other nations

I dont get why you people in europe are so bitter about us bases over there.

Originally posted by Blaine91555
reply to post by DimensionalDetective

 

I think it's just a protective mechanism so they don't have to take a real look at what is going on in their own countries. It's far easier to criticize others than it is to admit their own failings. They need to clean up their own back yards before criticizing their neighbors for not cleaning theirs.




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I Know what is going on in my country, and it sure as hell does not involve stealing millions of dollars wrth of oil, leaving a nation broken and hundreds of thousands of people dead. We as european know what our governments are at, Americans don't. Leaders in Europe hold a fear and respect for the electric, American leader just fu..ck money at their electric, knowing that he has has the most will win. That being said, if America was not so up its own arse it would not have this problem and the other problems it faces.

Also, don't give me this crop I do not care what the rest of the world thinks of me or my country, I would suggest that you start. For the world is a pretty big place, and you will start to feel really small in it before long.

reply to post by Retseh


I dont see why any of the British people will have a problem with Barak Obama. I actually think he will be a good president and im British

Originally posted by Waitingsolong
No one speaks for me. I`ve nothing against the US President or the American people.
Having visited the US East Coast cities in 1970,1971,1974 I found the welcome I received was quite good. I found them friendly and easygoing.
And I love the Big Apple.
So don`t include me in the "typical" English thoughts about the USA.
I`m me and not everybody else.

Well, may I suggest that you visit the modern America and let us have your view then. 70,71,74 jesus, give me head some peace. So tell us all, what is your views of modern America? Or you still got that 70's American Dream bull running around in your head?

Originally posted by PistolPete
It's a fallacy to believe that the President can cause such influence on the economy. Let alone drag the entire world into a depression. You give him too much credit.

You don't get it. He didn't have to do anything with a budget. All he had to say was

My fellow citizens, at this hour, American and coalition forces are in the early stages of military operations to disarm Iraq, to free its people and to defend the world from grave danger.

Its all been downhill from there.

"By "Europeans" we really seem to be talking about the British here. As a nation, they are an easily influenced people in my experience, and with the BBC and other liberal news sources continually looking for new ways to attack the United States, they are now slaves to their own propaganda."


Pissing my side laughing. Slaves to their own Propaganda? Did you really mean that statement? It was America's Propaganda that lead to these wars that have now been forced onto the world, lead by, yes you guessed it, the American Media. Placeing generals/Retired Generals into the station to fill your heads full of it. And you fell for it hook, line and sinker.

The BBC gives a fair and honest view of whats going on in these wars, and thats what the yanls cannot handler. The fact that its best friend, the british government, cannot control a state sponsored station, to fill it full or pro american bull# really gets to you doesn't it? Maybe the reason why people in the uk/Ireland can make such a well informed decision is based on the fact that we get real facts from the BBC and not what your media protrays as facts.

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reply to post by Retseh


You know, you could have discussed the topic, instead of treating us to your diatribe there.

The ignorance you display in your post is a shining example of whats being discussed here.

Originally posted by alienstar
I dont get why you people in europe are so bitter about us bases over there.

Because where there is an American base, that place becomes a target. Why should innocent European's be killed for a war that America decided to start, illegally if I may add. So yeah, we got a problem with it, keep your own wars on your own #ing soil, and leave the innocent out of it. Accept Britan off course, that is as bad as Ameria.

reply to post by wow23


Aww why so bitter?Asking a question dont deserve a hateful reply.Nuff said.

reply to post by alienstar


It went wrong because Bush killed innocent citizens who wanted nothing more than to live in piece, go to work, earn some money and bring up their kids. Sadam was a nutcase, they should have shot him and his group of cronies, not kill innocent people who just want to live their lives.

The only people that die in war are innocent people.

reply to post by alienstar


It's very easy to forget that, despite what the US has done to improve things in the world, what did it cost? The US is a nation born from a genocide. It took the land and the rights of the Native Americans, virtually wiped them out. To this day it virtually neglects the remaining Native American tribes. I wonder what their view of the US is, having seen it stop the genocide of Jew in WWII, or Muslims in Serbia. Hell, even the Australians have apologized to the aborigines for their past atrocities and given them back swathes of land.

The US exists today only through greed and murder. And it hasn't changed much.

reply to post by alienstar


How would you feel having a French Army base in the US? Furthermore, how would you feel if you found out that French Army base was transporting prisoners through the US because it wanted to conduct torture techniques that were illegal in France?

reply to post by Alethia


Everyone is done for a reason and i would have no problems with a french base in the us but as it looks we dont need your protection.Cant change what happens in the past and we us citizens have no control over our government going to war.I currently dont support torture techniques.

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