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Originally posted by Disastro
I laughed and made my way to the bar for another drink. Looking through the kitchen area i saw a door that had some inscription on it and thought to myself "voila!" Waiting around for nobody to look i opened the door and snuck inside. I stood there for a second looking at the twin columns and some of the other decorative insignia on the wall. All of a sudden a voice from nowhere asked 'what are you doing inside here?' I spilled my jack and coke all over my shirt and jumped about three feet in the air and noticed an elder lady sitting in a chair by the door hidden in the darkness. I tried to explain that i just wanted to see the interior of the hall as i had an interest in the Masons. I was told to immediately leave and she got up to escort me out. I apologized for the intrusion all the while trying to convince her that my intentions were not devious.
Any help with this would be appreciated.
Originally posted by TruthStrgnrThanFiction
Interesting note about Freemasonary.
I attended a church for awhile recently, a born again fundementalist church. I didnt join it in the end for a few reasons, but one of the things that came up was generational curses. Like if your grandfather was involved in porno and never repented, then God vists that sin on to his children etc. The bible says that God repays to the 3rd and 4th generation.
Anyway theres a massive debate on this subject because of Jesus Christs death for the sins of the world. If you accept Jesus then ALL your sin should be gone, but some churchs , like the one I checked out believe in the curses and laws of the OT and that they still apply even after your saved.
Where am I going with this? One of the guys at this church told me that his grandfather was a mason and he had to consciously repent of this so he wouldnt get cursed. Its generational curses , brought down the family tree and the major thing is occult groups like freemasonary, this church believe that if you or any member of your family was involved in it you will suffer a curse for it unless you actually repent of it. Even though you didnt do it yourself and had no knowledge of it, they seem to think that its a like a licence for the devil to get his hooks into you or something, because in your blood there were people who worshipped satan and or got power from him, so the devil has access to the entire family.
Originally posted by MrNECROS
Actually I’m not aware of any hate literature on the Freemasonry Watch site, “Morgan” who I know through correspondence explicitly refuses to publish any of it, as he is trying to keep the site up and has to run a squeaky clean ship.
The link at MasonicInfo.com merely points to another site that it claims debunks FW entirely, all it does is supposedly (and unconvincingly) debunk the Leo Taxil “hoax” letter by Pike to the members of the Consistory stating that “…Lucifer is God, unfortunately so is Adonay…”
the principle and context of which is actually mirrored on the very last page of Morals & Dogma!
No doubt this was also part of the “hoax”…huh?
Originally posted by TrueLies
I just found out this weekend my grandpa and uncle's grandpa were freemasons.
My grandma and him got divorced because
she was a devout catholic and they make a mockery out of jesus' death in one of their rituals. They believe
lucifer is the real jesus, and jesus is the bad guy, this is from what I read.
My grandpa is dead now, and my grandma always believed that he was evil.
Although he left her, she went to his funeral and placed these soul saving thing around his neck. Cute eh.
My grandma even believes masons are behind alot of things that go on, they believe that everybody should strive to be more like them. She's been keeping logs of stuff for 10+ years.
She also believes that they masons/illuminati placed homosexual men in the catholic church because the catholic church is their biggest fear. They know that it's easy to oust other religions, but catholicism has been around for a long time and it's the foundation of many societal beliefs et al.
So they placed homo priests in the churches so they would come out and people would start walking away from the church so they don't take it seriously anymore.
masons are trying to incorporate many beliefs upon us, slowly but consistently. Like the chinese rain drop on your head.
Oh and she also says that the nwo biggest battle is going to be with the yellows. I don't know if she means chinese or japanese, but she said it's the asians , whoever the yellows are.
weird , the only two pres that weren't masons were
lincoln and kennedy.
She also says the world elite have already starting a one world government, economy, they met in san fransisco in 1995. They had another one in Tennesse back in 02, they had another in Alberta a couple years ago. g8 nations or something.
I'm just trying to remember and i'm not to good a processing information or regurgitating, because I only remember bits and pieces of the puzzle.
I'll get back to you guys on this.
Originally posted by Knightmare
JFK opposed them, he was killed in front of the Dealy masonic plaza, at the "33rd parallel". As was Lincoln, who opposed them. Both VP's that replaced them were masons.
Originally posted by MrNECROS
Clearly you don't understand the context of the supposed "hoax" letter - it was actually Pike stating that despite being given the freedom of will and liberty which is represented by Satan one must also acknowledge his responsibilities and respect those of necessity represented by Adonay.
This is one of the principle teachings of Sublime Prince of the Royal Secret 32nd Degree and is represented partly by the hermaphroditic figure.
In reference to the spelling issue, Pike spells it both ways in various texts, just as he interchanges various names for the various identities in Freemasonry and religion, On for Osirus etc…
More or less - who cares if the letter was a fake or not?
The same ideals are espoused all through M&D as well as his and other works by Masonic authors like Blavatsky, Levi and Crawley.
If you can call a Papal Bull "hate literature" then you may have a point - perhaps you should take this up with Pope John Paul II who reaffirmed the Catholic Churches stance against Freemasonry in 1983?
If you want to base the allegation that FW is debunked by the presence of a Papal Bull and a claimed hoax letter in amongst the 1000s of article displayed there, then you are very closed minded indeed.
Originally posted by DontTreadOnMe
Well, I think I'll avoid Scientologists, Jehovah Witnesses, Mormons AND Masons. Too many unexplained things in all of thee groups for me.
How do we know that what the Masons tell us here is what they want us to know, or
what we need to know(the truth)???
Originally posted by AlexKennedy
Originally posted by DontTreadOnMe
Well, I think I'll avoid Scientologists, Jehovah Witnesses, Mormons AND Masons.
(I'm about to be sarcastic - watch out!)
You know what... you're right!