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Originally posted by clippy
I have read with great interest the thread relating to Tesla's Earthquake machine.
I have been greatly saddened by the death and destruction caused by the earthquake in China. I feel huge sympathy for those involved.
I am also aware that prior to the earthquake, there was substantial news coverage of the poor Tibetan people, and the terrible treatment they were receiving from the Chinese authorities (who have occupied and controlled their land for many years), as they protested against their ocupation. Finally, they seemed to be getting the worldwide media attention that their plight deserved. The Chinese authorities dealt with the "uprising" ruthlessly, and I expected a worldwide backlash that might ultimately force them to leave the Tibetans to govern their own country. Most compassionate human beings would have felt sympathy for the Tibetans, and something approaching "hatred" for the behaviour of the Chinese (as a nation, not the ordinary people).
Now, we all rightly feel sympathy for the Chinese. The story of the quake has completely replaced the story of the Tibetans awful treatment, which has effectively been forgotten.
Is it possible that the Chinese government deliberately caused an earthquake, in order to reverse the worldwide feeling towrds them as a nation?
Originally posted by purplemonkey
interesting theory... its not like the loss put a significant dint in there populations... but i doubt they would stoop to that level, plus people had been predicting the earth quake for several years so all signs point to a natural disaster...
i remember an episode of myth busters where they made Tesla's resonance machine... they tried it out on a full scale bridge and although the bridge didn't collapse they could feel mini vibrations along the bridge.
Originally posted by clippy
Obviously "all signs point to a natural disaster".
Otherwise it would look like the Chinese Government had deliberately killed innocent people, which is exactly what they had been doing in Tibet, and the very image they were trying to remove from worldwide public consciousness.
It would be unrealistic to expect any organisation that might be involved in such attrocities, not to carefully plan and orchestrate events.
The American government did exactly the same with the twin towers.
The chinese Government could not utilise a similiar terrorist attack on their people to gain sympathy, as this would have kept the Tibetan debate open. So a "natural" disaster was needed.
Unfortunately, causing suffering to "their own" people may be the preferred method used by "developed" countries to manipulate public opinion. There is no "stooping" involved.....they already kill innocent people under the guise of a justified war. Killing people that happen to live in the country they rule is no different.
Originally posted by clippy
Is it possible that the Chinese government deliberately caused an earthquake, in order to reverse the worldwide feeling towards them as a nation?
Originally posted by Essan
I doubt it. The Chinese haven't exactly been the least bit bothered by our opinions in the past - and their recent treatment of the Tibetans has been nothing to what they've done before.
It'd be like a bully beating up kids every day and then one day chopping his legs off to get sympathy instead of people feeling sorry for the boy he pushed against in the lunch queue ..... Totally disproportionate and entirely out of character.
I agree with the point concerning treatment of the Tibetans over the past 50 years or so.
The "bully" analogy made me laugh but it is way off the mark. For it to be an accurate comparison, the Chinese Government would have to consider the ordinary people of China to be "their own", and actually care about them as a person might care about their own legs! I'm not sure Governments care about people primarily, they have to think first of money, threats to their position of power etc. A few thousand ordinary folk are not essential in any way; they are whatever the government needs them to be at any given moment. It is naive to think that the ruling classes care (as an ordinary person cares about a family member, for instance) in any genuine sense, about the people they rule.
This certainly is not about opinion polls in the west........ consider which country is holding the Olympic Games? How much money is involved? What if the Olympics had been totally boycotted until the Tibetans were allowed to rule themselves again? The relaying of the torch was being disrupted on our television screens by well-meaning activists and the whole world was watching. History has shown us how communist states place great importance on projecting a grand, prosperous image of a state rich in culture & the arts, in order to show how successful their system is (my own studies of Russian film under communist government suggest their film-making actually was of much greater significance than that of the West, but that is another debate). Their proud Olympic moment in history was being spoiled, and their control of Tibet threatened.
Originally posted by clippy
mmm, I have had my mind changed. Thankyou all who replied, I can now see it was "a bit out there" to imagine a government would do this to their own country and resources, when there is not so much to gain. So perhaps ignore my last reply, I think I got carried away!