I AM ready for ascension. Are you?

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I am sure you are right and it means something different than it appears. I am not a symbolic logician. There is an intrinsic flaw in that that I see. One has to assume that the variables represent single units of value or it doesn't work. If I made that sort of leap of logic in my work I would be fired.

Doesn't really matter to the thread though. Just thought it was funny that there was a hole in it.

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Andre, I will be happy to answer your questions, but as far as I know Indigo Children have not been mentioned once in this thread and I consider it to be taking away from the topic. I would happy to discuss with you on the thread I mentioned or you can contact me U2U.

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There is a way to ascend your self or your being, but as you have revealed... here and in this thread it is being represented by people that are not ascended and that cling to this emotional IDEA of it as the ultimate truth and stop their growth there, forming cult like groups. It then mutates into faith because there is no logic and intellect in play here, and it becomes nothing more than propoganda and fanaticism.

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Originally posted by wytworm
Doesn't really matter to the thread though. Just thought it was funny that there was a hole in it.

Actually there was and is no hole in it. You just aren't understanding it.

Look again. If ALL A's are B and ALL D's are A, then all D's are B.
Look again. If ALL B's are A and ALL A's are D, then all B's are D.

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I hear you, I just happened to like the topic wether it be flawed or not, thats what skunkworks is about right? Damn, I am actually starting to like eternal, but I just dont want to take away from the OP.

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Well. I don't want you to embrace me as a guru. I don't want you to worship me or follow me. My message is that we all teach each other and we all learn from one another. So don't be afraid to teach when and where you know you are strong in a subject, and also don't be afraid to allow someone to teach you. We can all be wrong and we can all make mistakes.

Do not worry , this will not happen. I am my own teacher, I only listen to others and learn from them , I do not need a guru ( you are correct I have been manipulated before , and will never allow this to happen again).
I have NO intentions of worshiping you or following you.

I am reliant on no one except myself, however I will listen and I hope others will listen to me.

You ask what a light being is? It is one who is sent to save the eternal light from darkness. Yes light is also dark, I have walked among the dark lords who wish to take the light, I know them , I recognize them, so yes you are right we are all beings of light and dark, but I choose light.

I accept what you have said to me, I do need to think logically some times but I still choose pure love above all else, the frequency that this emits at it such a powerful one that logic really has no place in its presence.

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I accept what you have said to me, I do need to think logically some times but I still choose pure love above all else, the frequency that this emits at it such a powerful one that logic really has no place in its presence.

So in your eyes logic is to be avoided because it is dark?

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No logic must not be avoided its not part of the dark!! But logic will not be enough to defeat the dark that I have seen, its so powerful logic is no tool against it. Yes you can logically accept that light and dark are one but to defeat it logic really is useless.

Energy can defeat darkness, but it must be of a powerful fequency, I had immense dark energy thrown at me, I felt it go through me ,it was very powerful yet I with stood it because of the love I had within me. It really was just stale mate in the end, I could not defeat it but it also could not defeat me. It was more of a threat "look what we can do".

So no dark is not to be avoided because of logic in any way, logic is what you make of it really.

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Originally posted by Mr Green
So no dark is not to be avoided because of logic in any way, logic is what you make of it really.

I don't know why you consistently create this battle between two factions called light and dark. Light and dark are the same thing. Dark is simply frequency of light that we can't see with the naked eye.

And logic isn't what you make of it. Logic is profound and infallible if and when used correctly.

It sounds like you have some dilemnas that you need to get over. You're letting illusional battles tear you down and waste your time. There really is no battle. There's just logic, intellect, morality, science, your body (physicality, take care of it!), creativity, rationality (which is really a combination between logic, intellect, science and morality) and emotional.

Your emotions are very strong and you allow them to over-ride anything sensical. That's fine if that's the person that you want to be, jsut be sure that you find someone that is similar. You'll have a lot of trouble being with someone that is highly logical and scientific.

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By the way, if you're wondering if I have any emotional love anymore: yes, I do.

It is a passion for the truth found through implimenting logic, science, intellect and and expressing my creativity. This passion is my emotional love. It is not an emotion devoid of reason.

It is not a passion only to attain emotional feel good absent of logic, because this leads to immorality and illogicality, which leads to irrational decisions.

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I don't know why you consistently create this battle between two factions called light and dark. Light and dark are the same thing. Dark is simply frequency of light that we can't see with the naked eye.

Is this not what I just said.. light and dark are the same energy within each other but I choose the light side It can be seen with the naked eye when it wants you to se it, and its power can certainly be felt.
Enough of this light/dark..YES they are one..I agree with you..OK.

I knew the dark I saw was part of me, yet its a part I recognize but reject.

You say i would find it hard to be with someone whos logical and scientific, we'll I seem to cope with being me dont I. For many years I tryed to seek answers to this via my scientific mind..it only gives answers up to a point..there comes a point we must accept things beyond science and reason.

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By the way, if you're wondering if I have any emotional love anymore: yes, I do.

Originally posted by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal
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By the way, if you're wondering if I have any emotional love anymore: yes, I do.

It is a passion for the truth found through implimenting logic, science, intellect and and expressing my creativity. This passion is my emotional love. It is not an emotion devoid of reason.

This love is not enough, it will not give you any truths onlt scientific answers, these just arnt enough in this Im affraid.

(Cant delete above draft???)

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Originally posted by Mr Green
Enough of this light/dark..YES they are one..I agree with you..OK.

It sounds like you're just a big star wars fan, that's all.

I knew the dark I saw was part of me, yet its a part I recognize but reject.

I don't know what you mean by dark, I'm assuming we're using S.W. terminology? You mean like bad things, I suppose. I wouldn't call this dark and light as to not obstruct scientific determinism, rather immoral and moral, but I understand nonetheless.

there comes a point we must accept things beyond science and reason.

I would never accept anything unless I understood it fully and it agreed with my own reason, and I would never accept anything that I am told to have faith in unless I can scientifically prove it exists, which would then negate having faith. The eternally unknowable is irellevant.

Originally posted by Mr Green
This love is not enough, it will not give you any truths only scientific answers, these just aren't enough in this I'm afraid.

Oh, they're more than enough, they're just not what you want me to be and not what you are.

The passion and love that I have for commitment, dedication, logic, truth, science, morality and rationality are much stronger and much more credible than a faith in nothing and a belief beyond logic and reason, and gaining unexplainable, dangerous and fanatical love from this source that doesn't exist.

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It sounds like you're just a big star wars fan, that's all.

No I am not actually. I dont know who half those characters are, who s related to who and what they all end up becoming. Its all sci fi to me that film.

Im more of a matrix fan myself...

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I don't know what you mean by dark, I'm assuming we're using S.W. terminology? You mean like bad things, I suppose. I wouldn't call this dark and light as to not obstruct scientific determinism, rather immoral and moral, but I understand nonetheless.

No I dont mean bad things or darth vader from star wars ( oh look yes I do know one character) I mean the dark side of the light.

This is the problem with ascension, we can not ascend until we have experienced both the light and dark and from your replies I can see you have not truely seen it. It is something we all must see to really recognize what it the pure light.

To me it appeared as just that a pure energy from the dark , it spoke to me, threatened me and showed me its pure potential. It was angry with me because I had walked with it but then found the courage to reject it and turn my back on it.

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The passion and love that I have for commitment, dedication, logic, truth, science, morality and rationality are much stronger and much more credible than a faith in nothing and a belief beyond logic and reason, and gaining unexplainable, dangerous and fanatical love from this source that doesn't exist.

On this we must disagree, you sound more like a scientist than someone who claims to have ascended. It is non of the above, it is not a fanatical love it is a pure scientific energy force that has a vibration just like all the other energy forces we experience.

Surely your dealings with the federation will have shown you this energy? This is the main frequency they are telling us to find and emit is it not? Yet you say its invented??

I think the fanatical part is meant to indicate the rejection of other disciplines on favor of a 'love only approach. Love out of balance. Ignorance as they say is bliss, but doesn't love require judgement?