posted on Jun, 7 2008 @ 12:46 PM
This thread is becoming increasingly disappointing. The tone is less like that of researchers and more like religious fanatics.
Dan, the graphic you posted that supposedly illustrates Lockheed Skunk Works projects appears to have been cobbled together from a variety of
unrelated graphics. The F-117A looks suspiciously like one that has appeared in Wings magazine and at least one book. The P-38 was not a Skunk Works
product; it predated the existence of Lockheed's Advanced Development Projects division. The "AURORA" wouldn't be included in a real Lockheed
graphic, mainly because it doesn't exist but also because the name goes with a B-2 budget line item, as I have said. The "NAVY BLUE" is obviously
HAVE BLUE with the wrong name (more evidence that the graphic is bogus). The navalized F-117N had a much different configuration. There are many
pictures available on the Internet.
I'm also not sure why you suggested that the person who posted the graphic is an ex-Lockheed employee. He never claimed such, just had he had worked
for organizations called "skunk works." Although a registered trademark of Lockheed Martin Corporation, the term has also taken on generic usage
when referring to a particular management style.
Dan, be careful about reading too much information into patch designs. There is good data to be had but over-interpretation is like looking for
pictures in the clouds. After a while you can see anything you want.
And jkrog08, if you want to know what I think is going on at "Area 51," just read my articles on www.dreamlandresort.com (including the one from
which the test pilot photo at the beginning of this thread was taken). You will learn a great deal about actual, confirmed black projects and the
pilots who flew them. One of the classified demonstrators I wrote about led to a project that is being flown now.
The SR-71 was not nearly hypersonic. It's hard to believe that myth still gets passed around. The performance characteristics of the Blackbird family
of aircraft has long since been declassified and is well known. I should know; I literally wrote the book on it.
All Blackbird variants were designed to obtain maximum cruise performance around Mach 3.2 at altitudes from 74,000 to 85,000 feet. The external
configuration, engine air inlet system, powerplant, and fuel sequencing were optimized at Mach 3.2 and the airplane attained true airspeeds near 1,850
knots. According to the SR-71 pilot’s handbook (flight manual), Mach 3.17 was the maximum recommended cruise speed for normal operations. The pilot,
however, could increase speed to Mach 3.3 as long as the engine compressor inlet temperature did not exceed 427 degrees C. Speeds exceeding Mach 3.3
were occasionally recorded during test flights, but these operations put excessive thermal stress on the airframe.
Designed to fly as high as 90,000 feet, the Blackbirds typically operated between 70,000 and 85,000 feet, altitudes at which they could carry a useful
sensor payload and fuel supply. An Air Force crew set an official world altitude record in the SR-71A on 28 July 1976, while cruising at 85,069 feet.
Though seemingly impressive, this record already had been broken unofficially during Category II (Performance) testing when the fourth SR-71A (Article
2004), with a gross weight of 80,000 pounds, reached a cruising altitude of 86,700 feet. During one Category II test flight Article 2004 reached the
upper right-hand (maximum) corner of the performance envelope, achieving Mach 3.22 and an altitude of 89,650 feet. The A-12, a lighter airplane due to
its single crew station, was capable of attaining higher operating altitudes than the SR-71. On 14 August 1965, a CIA pilot flew Article 129 to a
maximum cruising altitude of 90,000 feet during a test flight.
The AURORA line item has been confirmed as funding for B-2 infrastructure by several sources, public and private. You don't know anything about my
sources or the context in which I get my information so you shouldn't accuse anyone of lying.
You are also completely ignorant, jkrog08, of the nature of NASA, the various U.S. space programs, and fiscal realities in general. You sound like one
of those conspiracists who think that all publicly available information is a lie and all inside sources providing information that doesn't agree
with your world view are liars.
The U.S. does not yet have operational hypersonic cruise missiles. The X-51 is a scramjet research vehicle that has not yet been tested. Engine tests
have taken place. Antenna testing is underway. The vehicle is under construction. I designed the program patch. But, it hasn't flown yet. According
to one of my best sources in the field of hypersonics, a weaponized derivative of the X-51 is a very promising candidate for the first U.S. hypersonic