Popping corn with cell phones?, page 5

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Look Spooner the dangers have been well known since at least 1998. In that year, Dr. George Carlo released the results of a massive research project that had been funded by the cell phone industry itself in an attempt to downplay cancer fears. To the industry’s dismay -- and also to their surprise, since they selected him assuming he was an industry shill, rather than the honest scientist he proved to be -- he came to the exact opposite conclusion from the one they were hoping for. His results included findings of:

* A nearly 300 percent increase in the incidence of genetic damage when human blood cells were exposed to radiation in the cellular frequency band

* A significant increase in cell phone users’ risk of brain tumors at the brain’s outer edge, on whichever side the cell phone was held most often

* A 60 percent greater chance of acoustic neuromas, a tumor affecting the nerve that controls hearing, among people who had used cell phones for six years or more

* A higher rate of brain cancer deaths among handheld mobile phone users than among car phone users (car phones are mounted on the dashboard rather than held next to your head)

These findings, which came well over a decade after cell phones were first introduced (before that there was no safety research at all), caused a shake-up in the scientific world. Soon, many more scientists confirmed Dr. Carlo’s findings.

Spooner the industry is doing a very clever thing.They are DELIBERATELY MAKING ThESE VIDEOS CAUSE THEY KNOW CELL PHONES CAUSE TUMORS.

Spooner the industry is doing a very clever thing.They are DELIBERATELY MAKING ThESE VIDEOS CAUSE THEY KNOW CELL PHONES CAUSE TUMORS.

THEY THEN ADMIT THE VIDEOS ARE FAKE SO THAT WHEN MORE EVIDENCE COMES ALONG NO ONE WILL BELIEVE IT.

THEY THEN ADMIT THE VIDEOS ARE FAKE SO THAT WHEN MORE EVIDENCE COMES ALONG NO ONE WILL BELIEVE IT.

THIS IS A DOUBLE BLUFF AND YOU HAVE BEEN TAKEN IN HOOK,LINE AND SINKER.

They must be laughing at you and all the others they have duped with their cleverness.At this very moment the executives are sipping champagne and laughing at the idiots who they are endangering with their dangerous devices.

The millionaires have got one over you again.They are laughing very loudly at you.

Their offices are full of gales of laughter as they sucker you again.

Just wait for the brain tumor epidemic.

In 2000, Swedish researchers found that cell phone users were almost two and a half times more likely to develop tumors near where they held their cell phone antenna than in any other portion of their brain. Similar studies were conducted in subsequent years on ever-larger groups of people, always with the same result.

An Italian study in 2002 found that radio waves caused leukemia cells to replicate ferociously after long exposure. In 2004, the massive REFLEX report on DNA damage from radio waves found that cells exposed to electromagnetic fields similar to those of cell phones showed a significant increase in single and double-strand DNA breaks. If I wanted to, I could list a mountain of research studies all pointing to the same conclusion -- exposure to cell phone radiation can cause brain cancer.


The Industry Strikes Back.

The cell phone industry, of course, has long since corrected the “mistake” it made with Dr. Carlo, and funded a number of studies purporting to prove that cell phones are safe. <------

For example, in 2006, they made sure headlines blared reports that an epidemiological study had “proven” cell phones can’t cause cancer.

However, a cursory reading of the study shows that it excluded heavy cell phone users from consideration, failed to differentiate between frequent use of cell phones and almost no use, and declared an improbably low rate of overall cancer that contradicts known statistics. After all that, it proudly concluded that it had found no increased risk for cell phone use. Well, no wonder.

Don’t be fooled by their lies. Holding a cell phone next to your head is as foolish as drinking a bottle of pesticide.

Even if you manage to avoid brain cancer, you may find yourself faced with other health problems both major and minor, such as headaches and dizziness, Alzheimer’s disease, autism and even impotence.


The safety of cell phones has been brought into question once again by research that suggests radio waves from the devices could promote the growth of tumors. Paradoxically, the study suggests that the radiation makes tumors grow more aggressively by initially killing off cancer cells.

Cell Biologist Fiorenzo Marinelli and his team at the National Research Council in Bologna, Italy, decided to investigate whether radio waves had any effect on leukemia cells after previous studies indicated that the disease might be more common among mobile phone users. The life cycle of leukemia cells is well understood, making it relatively easy to spot changes in behavior.

The team exposed leukemia cells in the lab to 900-megahertz radio waves at a power level of 1 milliwatt and then looked at the activity of a gene that triggers cell suicide. Many European mobile networks operate at 900 megahertz, and maximum power outputs are typically 2 watts, although they regularly use only one-tenth of this power.

After 24 hours of continuous exposure to the radio waves, the suicide genes were turned on in far more leukemia cells than in a control population that had not been exposed. What is more, 20 percent more exposed cells had died than in the controls.

But after 48 hours exposure, the apparently lethal effect of the radiation went into reverse. Rather than more cells dying, Marinelli found that a survival mechanism kicked in. Three genes that trigger cells to multiply were turned on in a high proportion of the surviving cells, making them replicate ferociously. The cancer, although briefly beaten back, had become more aggressive.

DNA damage?

At this very moment the executives are sipping champagne and laughing at the idiots who they are endangering with their dangerous devices.

The millionaires have got one over you again.They are laughing very loudly at you.Very loudly.

Their offices are full of gales of laughter as they sucker you again and again

Just wait for the brain tumor epidemic.


[edit on 17-6-2008 by esecallum]

[edit on 17-6-2008 by esecallum]

[edit on 17-6-2008 by esecallum]

And here's the opposite side of the fence.
After 4 years studying and 7.5 million Euros spent Danish researchers lead by Dr. Phillip Grandjean conclude in spring 2008 that there are no significant dangers from radiation caused by mobile phones and if any effect that this is minimal and harmless.

Results of Danish research

So Esecallum... stop painting it so big like it was truth. As long as there are constantly two sides who both have equal documentation on their side being the right answer we can't conclude anything. It would be disinformation with the intend to support a witch hunt.

"Today the best answer we can provide is that since the research doesn't definitely show that radiation is dangerous a potential damaging effect is likely to be limited."

I can move text too to keep my point more "true" Ese...

[edit on 17/6/08 by flice]

[edit on 17/6/08 by flice]

Here's an screendump taken from the presentation at the conference. This particular one is from Mats Olof Matteson. This presentation is from may 2008.



Another note... Philip Grandjean which was the head of this study also did a study about industrial chemicals bad effect on childrens brains. But I guess since what he found out here is wrong we should forget about that study too...?

Snopes says its a hoax...
www.snopes.com...

Originally posted by deadline527
The way they do it is by removing the Magnetron from the microwave and putting it under the table, unshielded. The microwaves are emitted in a 180 degree direction facing upwards, which just happens to be where the kernels are.

VERY dangerous to your health!

But yes, it will pop the popcorn on the table and provide the illusion of the cell phones doing it. There is a video somewhere that shows someone setting it up, Ill dig it up tomarro if someone else already hasnt found it by then.

Here you go....



The whole thing is a hoax, end of story.

reply to post by Oreyeon

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well that's my worry of the day over lol. I will not be evicting megatron from my microwave to try it out. I am optimus prime.

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I checked this out on Snopes, and apparently these popcorn videos were part of a marketing scheme for a company that makes bluetooth headsets.
www.snopes.com...
Scroll down to the end of the egg-cooking report.

reply to post by argentus

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I am an engineer too, with many years in radio. Without doing the math, which by the way the math as done works out, and math doesn't lie, I can tell you this is a hoax from a pure economics point of view (I also have an MBA).

Bottom line, if appliance manufacturers could use a bag of fifty cent cell phone chips and a few penny antennas to pop corn, they sure wouldn't use magnetrons and fans and turntables.

Even if cell phones could pop corn, one of two things is happening when we call. Either we are heating the side of our heads or not. No way is any radiation that can boil water going to get beyond the surface layer to the brain. I think I would notice my head getting hot enough to pop corn, though that one phone call from my wife when I was in Fiji - but I digress.

Last, if this was possible, my teenage daughter would be at least medium rare on that side of her head. I can't argue that she DOESN'T have brain damage, she is a teenager, but I don't think it's the phone.

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