How can you justify voting Bush?

My question to all of the republicans out there would have to be:

How can you justify voting for Bush?

Really, how the hell can you support a man who has led America into a massive 3 trillion dollar deficit, record job losses and unemployment figures and leading us into a fruitless, neverending war on terror.

Why?

There is no justification for voting for this man and his neocons.

"Outsourcing of American jobs is good."

Temporary insanity, is the only reason I'll accept...

Originally posted by Nerdling
My question to all of the republicans out there would have to be:

How can you justify voting for Bush?

Really, how the hell can you support a man who has led America into a massive 3 trillion dollar deficit, record job losses and unemployment figures and leading us into a fruitless, neverending war on terror.

Why?

3 trillion? Where you get that figure? Last I checked it was 512 billion. Anyway, I'm pretty conservative when it comes to the economy so I would have to justify my vote for Bush (even though I never would) by saying,
He has set up many key factors which are sure to lead to an economic boom if we are going to follow the same pattern that occured after Reagan and Bush dealt with their deficit (which was bigger, BTW). Tax cuts are important and when he cut the death tax and the percentage of every tax dollar he takes from the citizen, he done good.

Oh yeah, the debt is 7 trillion and Bush did not cause it. He did however cause assets of the treasury department to drop from 200+ billion surplus to a 500+ billion deficit. Overspending sucks, good thing investors are smart enough to have faith in the government to pay back its debt.

You know. I think Incite is right. It hasn't reach 3 trillion yet. Now if Bush continues on the path of spending and such the deficit could reach 10 trillion in the next 10 years.

www.taxpayer.net...

The question is not how one can justify voting for Bush, but how to justify voting for the alternative.

The war on terror is something with no alternative either. We either fight it or we bleed to death.

As far as the deficit, not much anyone can say about that, huh? Bush is trying to take all the democrats' argue points by being a democrat himself. Too much BS spending. Not a way to win an election.

Originally posted by Thomas Crowne
The question is not how one can justify voting for Bush, but how to justify voting for the alternative.

The war on terror is something with no alternative either. We either fight it or we bleed to death.

AAAAAAIIIII!!!!! That's right. We vote for our next president based upon fear.

How can you justify voting Bush?

Temporary insanity? I was drunk? The devil made me do it?

I can justify anything if I don't look at all the evidence. I usually end up not liking either choice for president. I like the concept that the president is pushing for taxing spending and not capital or investments.

However that was not the way our tax system was set up and no one has really publicly debated it in my opinion before he is attempting to quietly change it.

In other words, the rich would not be taxed at a higher rate than everyone else like it is now. Just a flat tax on spending. I tend to disagree on that point. I don't want to pay the difference to let a Bill Gates save more money in taxes. I might go along though if it would save me money on a personal level though. Just my opinion but I like things to be discussed before a secret agenda is put forth quietly onto all of us.

The other idea that the amount of the deficit doesn't matter either I don't buy either. It all looks like a shell game until you get in over your head.

As far as Iraq goes, I say what American was worried about Iraq nuking us before the war started? I certainly wasn't. I was worried about the threat posed by him and his sons a decade from now from building up his country's economy and military. Iraq could have easily developed nukes after sanctions were dropped. Sadam and sons were just plain evil to put thousands into plastic shredders feet first so their screams would last longer. Seems like common sense to fight evil before it gets all powerful. On the other hand I don't like being lied to about WMD. I believe that was just a flat out lie to get enough public support to fight a growing evil threat. Most sane people would not want to fight a nuclear war later on with Iraq. I believe Sadam or sons would have started a nuclear war given time so that justifies that for me. Just my opinion.

On another story, I got upset when Bush cut funding for a successful science project. Imagine buying a new car, getting a major tune up after 2 years and have a fine vehicle running. Then someone comes along and says, "ok, we need to cut funding, we will no longer do any maintenance on this vehicle, when it dies it dies for good." I'm referring to the dropping of maintenance funding for the Hubble space telescope.

Originally posted by Nerdling

How can you justify voting for Bush?

Ummm...Let's see, Im a white mega-millionaire oil tycoon that doesn't want to pay high taxes?

actually, i can justify as to y we should vote for him.....


he makes a total ass out of himself in his speeches that i piss my pants laughing

The AFL-CIO backs Kerry. I'm a Teamster. He is supposed to be for the laborers. That is the Democratic line, they are for the working people. That's why Kerry voted for NAFTA, normalizing trade with China and against drilling for oil in Alaska (Think of the jobs that would have created). And, Kerry will jack up the taxes, which do nothing but stimey economic growth and penalize people for making money.

I'm not going to say that Bush has done all he said he would ( Come on, what real conservative isn't ill with the guy?), but voting for Kerry is certainly not an option.

On the other hand, what difference does it make? Both of them are part of the problem. I mean lookit, Bush '41 was a Democrat, Clinton wasn't as left as many would paint him, this current president, the conservative icon, is not as conservative as he'd have floks believe....face it, people, its a scam and a sham!

The justification is in the issues NOT always in the news.

He is prolife, and i could never vote for anyone that was other than that.

I do not think that Enron was his fault. Clinton created the colosal giant that Enron became, and when Bush refused to cater to them even after they contributed to him hoping he would (their only hope of survival), they crumbled.

It's not that I like Bush, because I think he is an idiot, but I HATE Kerry.

Bush is trying to reduce taxation which has increased revenues, especially under the Regan presidency. His spending is kind of underhanded, he's goin to spend so much that when the liberals come with thier boat load of special interests and socialist agendas, they can't do crap cause there is nothing to spend, just like what Regan did.

As for the "job losses" that is based on what now?
it's "high" 5.6% now but when Clinton was running for pres, it was a "low" 5.7% ACCORDING TO CNN. There is an article out that points you to cnn's unbiased articles lol. SO if its the same rate, and we know that there has been population growth, then shouldn't we have MORE JOBS? Also, studies show that the EVIL big coporations have been leaking jobs, but the small business and self employed market has increased by the million.

As for the war on terror, we have an obligation to right what we may have done right or wrong in Iraq. I still expect bush to unveil somthing from saddam before the big vote.

As for the jobs going overseas. WTF? should we still be making buggie whips and carriage wheels? And when was it bad to help out other countries? As long as america doesn't loose its ability to create and adapt from knowledge, innovation and no unions, we can be just as great as ever.

Oh there's more.

Originally posted by Thomas Crowne


On the other hand, what difference does it make? Both of them are part of the problem. I mean lookit, Bush '41 was a Democrat, Clinton wasn't as left as many would paint him, this current president, the conservative icon, is not as conservative as he'd have floks believe....face it, people, its a scam and a sham!

Oh my lord, I am in... complete... and total agreement with TC... that will most likely only happen 2 more times, then the earth stops.. Even Col agreed with one of TC's statement's here. :LOL: :LOL:

Both of these guys are 2 peas in a pod. Neither, really, have the public good at heart, just accumulation of vast wealth and power.


[Edited on 3-3-2004 by observer]

I am humbled, Observer. You know as well as I, as well as Colonel, politics is fun to argue, but it is meant to be nothing more than a sport for the masses, to give us the illusion we are somehow in control.

True, but the honor is in the fight, not in the victory.

I agree with two peas in a pod. Both Bush and Kerry are for free trade agreements. Sometimes I wonder if all the free trade deals were a mistake. I mean they are great for saving a few bucks at Walmart or some other stores but it costs us American jobs getting so much outsourced.

Have you ever called a tech help line and had to listen to a Pakistani with a bad accent trying to explain a dos command in English? uugggh.
I'm starting to think our elected officials don't quite understand the worries over outsourcing. Maybe if we seriously talk about outsourcing congress and elected officials they would understand. I believe that I've read that over 2 million manufacturing jobs have been lost in the last few years. I don't believe Bush or Kerry are going to do anything about it.

The same people who yelled to the heavens that Dean was a Far left Liberal without ever digging deeper, are now in the Hate Kerry mode because of the same malaise!!
The sad truth: y'all are one trick ponies ( *someone help me, that is an album title or something, right?*).

His "Faith" is all that matters to some, so they'll vote Bush.

His Anti-Choice stand is all that matters to some, so the'll vote Bush.

The perception that proper taxation on a tax bracket they might never achieve is "unfair" is all that matters, so they'll vote Bush.

The truth is this: you have all the facts-policies-outcomes-vectors and profiles needed to see Bush is a very poor president, and that the government he's established is bad for America & the World. Voting anyway except DISAPPROVAL OF HIS MANDATE is just being stupid.

I LOVE ME SOME BUSH!!