Clinton Supporters Voting for McCain

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posted on Jun, 4 2008 @ 10:10 PM
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As the news media keeps reporting that Hillary Clinton will concede to Barack Obama at the end of this week, I am curious to know how many people on this forum are Clinton supporters, such as myself, that will vote for John McCain?

As a Clinton supporter, I am not one to be swayed by Obama. I urge all Clinton supporters to consider voting for McCain instead of not voting at all. We have stood by Hillary on her historic journey though this campaign and in true Clinton spirit, we must never give up the fight that has kept us actively seeking what is best for us.

Barack Obama has never been an option for dedicated Clinton supporters. He is not an option we must accept. We are fighting for our future. We are not zombies to be led around on a leash! He may have had delegates in his pocket, and I can imagine he thinks he can easily win over Clinton supporters, but I say, NObama!

Continue to support Hillary and have a voice in our future by keeping Obama out of the White House!

Who's with me?




posted on Jun, 4 2008 @ 10:15 PM
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No one. Obama will be the next president. Get used to it.



posted on Jun, 4 2008 @ 10:32 PM
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Not so fast, Anonymous one. I may have to endure it, but I will never, ever accept or approve of it.

I totally agree with you, OP. I'm well-documented on this forum as a Hillary Clinton supporter who will vote McCain to deny Obama the White House. I am disheartened tonight to discover that members of another site I frequent are considering Obama over McCain at this time. Not me. This entire primary season was fishy from the start and got progressively worse as it ensued.

Every vote for McCain cancels out one Obama vote whereas writing in her name, voting third party, or staying at home helps Obama. I do not want the results to be close enough to be stolen again this election. I'd love to support a viable third party, but doing so at this time ensures an Obama victory. I want that election night map to resemble McGovern's results in '72. I am/will be so happy with those results.

I am now a New World Order believer and believe we voters have been hoodwinked. I eagerly await reports from Alex Jones from the Bilderberger meetings being held this weekend. I hope he sheds some light on this travesty.

We will remember in November. Vote McCain.



posted on Jun, 4 2008 @ 10:36 PM
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i would be really interested in hearing your reasoning for this switch.

unless what you have said here is your ONLY motivation for making it? in which case i must say how incredibly simple. if revenge and spite are what motivate you in your decision making process in terms of who you vote for i must say you are a scourge to democracy and I would strongly urge you to reflect on your actions.

"As a Clinton supporter, I am not one to be swayed by Obama. I urge all Clinton supporters to consider voting for McCain instead of not voting at all. We have stood by Hillary on her historic journey though this campaign and in true Clinton spirit, we must never give up the fight that has kept us actively seeking what is best for us".

explain how voting for john mccain or not voting accomplishes this?

if you were truly a supporter of hillary clinton i find it incredibly hard to swallow that you actually believe that john mccain is what is BEST for you.

but hey, i am sure you can give us all a lesson that will inform us as to why we should make this switch, and please do!



posted on Jun, 4 2008 @ 10:37 PM
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Hmmm...for some reason I can't see Anonymous one's reply, so I have no idea what was said...



posted on Jun, 4 2008 @ 10:46 PM
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Thanks for the reply Seeker Mom!

I think that a lot of Clinton supporters do not feel that they have any other choice but to vote for Obama. Some registered Democrats want to have party success but do not realize that they have options. I would imagine many Clinton supporters not voting at all.

True Clinton supporters will never vote for Obama. A vote for McCain is necessary to keep Obama out! The Democratic party has screwed up any chances of claiming the White House in the last two elections and now with Obama, they've missed the target again!

Whether we are Democrats, Republicans, Independents, or other, we are individuals and we must do what is best for us. I choose McCain! Rally the mob...McCain!!


Originally posted by Seeker Mom
Not so fast, Anonymous one. I may have to endure it, but I will never, ever accept or approve of it.

I totally agree with you, OP. I'm well-documented on this forum as a Hillary Clinton supporter who will vote McCain to deny Obama the White House. I am disheartened tonight to discover that members of another site I frequent are considering Obama over McCain at this time. Not me. This entire primary season was fishy from the start and got progressively worse as it ensued.

Every vote for McCain cancels out one Obama vote whereas writing in her name, voting third party, or staying at home helps Obama. I do not want the results to be close enough to be stolen again this election. I'd love to support a viable third party, but doing so at this time ensures an Obama victory. I want that election night map to resemble McGovern's results in '72. I am/will be so happy with those results.

I am now a New World Order believer and believe we voters have been hoodwinked. I eagerly await reports from Alex Jones from the Bilderberger meetings being held this weekend. I hope he sheds some light on this travesty.

We will remember in November. Vote McCain.



posted on Jun, 4 2008 @ 10:47 PM
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i owuld just like to make my position clear.

i voted for obama.

that day i stood in line for maybe 15 minutes. i stood in the little cardboard booth for maybe 15 more.

i had been thinking about what to do for a few weeks prior to voting.

it was a really really hard call. probably, no defiantly, the hardest i have made in my 12 years of being able to vote.

but that is the decision i made and i stick by it.

now i say this because i can not be all that different from you guys.

while i can completely understand your frustration and anger i simply cannot fathom why you would make the claims you are making now.

clinton and obama were and are so very similar.

clinton and mccain are so completely different.

you are free to do what you want, but i like so many others are simply stunned that this would be your courser of action.



posted on Jun, 4 2008 @ 10:56 PM
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Hello Animal.

My reason for switching is that I do not, will not support Barack Obama. I don't really have to have a reason, do I? I do not feel Obama has the experience or the strength to lead this nation. He has not proven to me that he can create "change". What has he done thus far in his political career to create "change"? As a member of the Senate, any "change" he is reporting he can make, he could have already made. Why wait until you run for the Presidency? Why not make "change" before?

I will assume you are not a Clinton supporter. I am very passionate about my stand. I will not vote for a candidate that is not qualified. Both Clinton and McCain have ample experience. Obama does not.

For you to accuse me of choosing to vote for McCain for "spite" or "revenge" is in true Obama spirit, in my opinion. Not everything is about Obama. My choice to vote for McCain are the same as they were to vote for Clinton. McCain is more qualified.

What is it about Obama supporters that makes them think that anybody against Obama must have an ulterior motive? He simply isn't qualified.



posted on Jun, 4 2008 @ 11:03 PM
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I too have fond memories of standing in line at a local public library over my lunch break to vote for Clinton. I knew as I stood in that line that this was the most important election thus far in my lifetime. I want to make my vote count. I voted Clinton.

Unlike you, I have been a longtime supporter of Hillary Clinton and knew immediately that I would support her. I had never heard of Barack Obama before this election.

You are not that different. Your candidate won the Democratic nomination. Mine did not. That does not mean that I have to vote for Obama. I have choices. And I choose McCain.

I did not decide today that I would vote for McCain. I have considered from the beginning of this election what steps I would take if Clinton did not get the nomination. I had decided before John Edwards was out of the race that I would vote for McCain if Clinton did not get the nomination.

You may be stunned, but please understand that Clinton supporters are just as stunned that Obama had delegates in his pocket. For most Clinton supporters, Obama has never, and will never be, an option.



posted on Jun, 4 2008 @ 11:03 PM
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please could you be more specific?

i have herd, no, we have all herd over and over the qualified argument. it is really overly simplistic, and highly debatable.

my question is this: what is it in mccain that attracts you? is it only experience?

tell me about the issues. please show me what in mccain's stances, his proposition, his intentions, his platform contains the ideals that will lead us in the same /. similar direction as hillary's.

like i said voting for obama was a hard decision. for years i assumed i would be voting for hillary and it was difficult to make the switch. show me the light man, i can switch again.

but please, be specific. sell me on the issues, and save the experience argument.



posted on Jun, 4 2008 @ 11:13 PM
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McCain is very liberal. He is probably the most liberal Republican in my lifetime. I was actually surprised that he got the Republican nomination.

McCain will not be "McBush", as many like to say. We have a Democratic congress who will keep things balanced if need be. In my opinion, nobody can be compared to Bush. He is a disaster.

Experience has a lot to do with it. I do not want someone that has little experience making decisions for me. Would you want an intern to perform your open heart surgery? No thanks, I'll stick to the Pro's!

What separates McCain from Clinton, in my opinion, is that he does not support a more "socialized" health care system. His stance on the war is different. I understand the need to bring our troops home, but no matter who becomes the next President, it is unreasonable to think that we would be able to immediately withdraw all of our troops. It will take years. I do respect the fact that McCain has served our country. He knows better than any candidate the cost of war and the toll it takes on our country. These are just a couple of issues, of course.

There are other issues, of course, but in all honesty, I am confident that John McCain will do a better job than Barack Obama. I am not comfortable with a "newbie" having so much control over this country. Let him gain some experience and come back in 8 years to try again.



posted on Jun, 4 2008 @ 11:20 PM
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Originally posted by lucien
McCain is very liberal. He is probably the most liberal Republican in my lifetime. I was actually surprised that he got the Republican nomination.

McCain will not be "McBush", as many like to say. We have a Democratic congress who will keep things balanced if need be. In my opinion, nobody can be compared to Bush. He is a disaster.

Experience has a lot to do with it.

What separates McCain from Clinton, in my opinion, is that he does not support a more "socialized" health care system.

His stance on the war is different.

There are other issues, of course, but in all honesty, I am confident that John McCain will do a better job than Barack Obama.


Okay, so it is:

#1 Experience
#2 Health Care
#3 The War
#4 He is better than Obama

These are the issues that made you decide McCain is your man?

Well really #'s 2 and 3 don't count according to your post because they are not the same stances Clinton took so it is

#1 Experience
#2 He is better than Obama

Can you verify that this is your stance for me? I just really want to make sure I understand where you are coming from. You are asking a lot and being really really clear in our communication over this very important issue, I am sure you can agree is critical.

Thanks



posted on Jun, 4 2008 @ 11:23 PM
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I know of Clinton supporters that have a long term strategic view which is logical but still speculative.

The next POTUS is gonna inherit a huge economic mess, high deficits, tricky problems with Iraq, Iran, among other issues that are as of now unforeseen.

Basically the chances are high that the next four years are gonna suck for the U.S.

Scenario 1

If Obama wins the presidency, Hillary has at the very least 8 years before she can gain the office and thats if things work out. She has to be selected vp first and Obama has to do well enough with all the problems stated above to be reelected which is a very tall task. Either way Hillary will be so old and haggard by then, she will look like a female version of McCain.

Obama and his political inexperience will cause problems and can quite possibly lose the white house and congress to the Republicans in 2012 if not sooner.

Scenario 2

If McCain wins the presidency he will inherit all of Bush's problems along with a hostile congress. Nothing will get done, McCain will flop around and the chances are high he will lose the reelection. Hillary can easily look like the hero in this situation and take over at a date which might be more favorable for a president.

Scenario 3

Hillary wins the presidency now through some sort of miracle but still has to deal with all the above problems although she has more political experience to deal with such problems than Obama.

Yes many things can happen in the next four years so the above scenarios are far from full-proof.

As for you Hillary supporters, do what you gotta do.



posted on Jun, 5 2008 @ 08:49 AM
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I've seen numerous Hillary supporters at various sites the last couple of days saying the same thing, to the point that they will not vote for Obama even if Hillary is the VP. I'm pretty sure that the Clinton supporters in my family would not vote for Obama if the election were held today, though whether that changes in the next few months, I don't know. They are life-long conservative Democrats, typical of what you find in the South and Midwest. When all is said and done, I think that Obama (and the party itself) is going to have a lot of problems with that group by the time that November arrives.

As for the 'lack of experience angle', notice that the RNC is already running an ad that features nothing but clips of Obama's Democratic rivals in the primary battle blasting him for that very issue. It includes Bill and Hillary Clinton. Its a pretty powerful ad, given that its just his own party speaking out against him and pretty clearly aimed at people like you that supported Hillary and that are having misgivings about him on that issue. The point is, we're going to be bombarded this fall by the words of his own party against him on an issue that you're going to get criticized for in this thread. But if his own party leaders feel that way...?

Whatever your reasons and whether you ultimately choose Obama or McCain, the most important thing is to vote this fall. Don't stay home.



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posted on Jun, 5 2008 @ 08:56 AM
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Bonjour, Lucien,

This is the type of political thread that I find stimulating & thought-provoking. You didn't stoop to name-calling or insults (though there are those amongst us who find name-calling and insults scintillating & exciting), and you got your point across in a clear & concise manner.

Thank you for the excellent post...a star & flag for you!
Ezzi



posted on Jun, 5 2008 @ 09:03 AM
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Im a Ron Paul supporter. With that said, I would never allow my actions to lead to a McCain president.

Bottom line is the war. I want to see the troops come home. My vote will goto the person who will do that.

Now I don't trust Clinton or Obama at all. They are socialists and are both leading our country into a Soviet Union type of class warfare government. I will vote with my heart and write in Ron Paul if I have to.



posted on Jun, 5 2008 @ 09:09 AM
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Clinton and Obama were the exact same candidate, except one was a black man, the other is a white woman. They were created and supported to divide the Democratic party.

And lookie here, it worked.

The reason no one can produce significant differences is there are none......



posted on Jun, 5 2008 @ 09:18 AM
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On the issues, that perhaps is true. But I think its clear what the Clinton supporters are really saying: they do not trust Obama at all. If you don't believe that he's telling the truth or don't trust him to do the right thing in a stressful situation, why believe his platform? Why vote for him?

The Obama supporters would be wise not to take those of Hillary for granted this fall. Yet, perhaps not on this board, but on others, I see them doing nothing but antagonizing and bullying those Hillary supporters even now, when its over and done. Its no wonder that they do not trust him.



posted on Jun, 5 2008 @ 10:06 AM
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I saw some of the PO'd Clinton supporters railing about how they'll vote McCain cause their candidate didn't get the nod. Are you serious? Clinton and McCain couldn't possible have more dissimilar views. What are they trying to prove? We didn't get our way so we'll vote McCain just to screw the DNC? No wonder we got GWB for 8yrs.

This kind of thinking is putting your own emotions ahead of the best interests of the country. I'm not an Obama supporter. I'm a well documented Ron Paul supporter. Still, to vote McCain because Clinton didn't get the nomination proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that to these people policies mean nothing. Four more years of the Republicans? If so, we're totally and utterly screwed. What these whiners can't seem to understand is that with McCain comes the entire underlayment of the Bush administration. All the special interests, all the corporate string pullers, all the behind-the-scenes pirates that have butt-raped this country for the last 8yrs. You don't just get McCain (not that he isn't bad enough on his own) you get the whole package. No matter what he tries to sell you, McCain IS Bush's 3rd term.

Look into McCain's background for the love of God. Obama isn't my candidate of choice. Neither was Hillary (for different reasons). But this country is in desperate need of a serious about-face --- and rather quickly. At least with Obama there is a chance to do that --- if by nothing else at least becasue the prevailing controlling interests will be flushed out of Washington. We can only hope the new ones do a better job. They could hardly do a worse one.



posted on Jun, 5 2008 @ 10:25 AM
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It all boils down to what I said earlier: the Clinton supporters don't trust Obama and because of that, they DO believe he can be a lot worse than McCain, regardless of stated policy differences. And to be sure, McCain's longtime reputation as a political maverick is helping in that regard, as is the sudden about-face by the DNC in painting him as Bush's 3rd term after years of praising him as the former. The new line isn't likely to work. Additionally, they feel as though Obama and DNC is taking their support for granted, expecting them to just shut the ___ up about their misgivings and get in line behind Obama.

That line of thinking is naive and politically dangerous for the DNC and its candidate, given just how divisive the Democratic nomination process has been thus far.

[edit on 5-6-2008 by vor78]

[edit on 5-6-2008 by vor78]





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