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DIY Vertical Axis Wind Turbine


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reply posted on 13-6-2008 @ 04:26 PM by crgintx


The only problem with the helical blade vertical axis windcharger systems are that they don't make any near overall power of more conventional airfoil lift(propeller) systems. It's basic mechanics really, the longer the lever, the greater the amount of work it can produce. A 2-3 meter prop blade can create almost 1k ft/lbs of torque at speed. Kindo of makes you wonder why railways systems don't have windchargers sitting right next to them. It wouldn't take much engineering genius to create a series curcuit induction acceleration system that could push a train without that would be much safer than current high voltage systems and cheaper than diesel in the long run.



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reply posted on 14-6-2008 @ 05:56 AM by citizen smith


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whist a VAWT wont produce as much torque as the 'traditional' horizontal aerofoil prop turbine, it does have several distinct advantages...

The heaviest component, the gen-set, is housed in the base of the VAWT unit giving stability in high winds and enables easy maintainance access if at ground level

The helical blades, when rotating at speed will act in principle as a self-stabiliser through the upwardly-drawn circular flow of air across the blades, and are not dependant on needing to be facing into the wind to turn, as it's shape allows a turbulent or uni-directional airflow to rotate the structure, making it better suited to ground/low-level mounting

Prop-blade turbines must be very accurately balanced to even-out any stresses as the blade-tips will be travelling at 300-400+ mph at average operational winspeeds, making them suceptible to stress-failure at too high wind speeds

...here's what happens when things go wrong with prop-turbines


YouTube Link


edit: you can see a white transit van parked at the base of the tower to give a scale comparison of size...the generator-pod is as big the van itself!

[edit on 14-6-2008 by citizen smith]



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reply posted on 25-6-2008 @ 11:15 AM by babylonstew


Any further news on this c smith?
WAs following your experiment with interest tbh, looked like it had some promise



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reply posted on 25-6-2008 @ 06:26 PM by citizen smith


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Apologies to all for not posting any project updates recently...my workshop-time has been limited due to work, but there will be more photos and scanned sketchbook plans coming very soon tho!



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reply posted on 26-6-2008 @ 09:52 PM by Blitzkreigen


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Thank you for the Update!

We all seem to have these nasty things called JOBS that severely interfere with our ATS time!

Not only that, you have taken on an extremely involved project, and we cannot expect immediate results.

It usually takes 3 tries to get it right, so no worries and Thank You for the Brain Food!

Also remember that 'mistakes' are ONLY "teachers", and we take the lesson and move on without worrying about the "Learning Curve".

Best Regards,

Blitzkreigen



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reply posted on 26-6-2008 @ 10:05 PM by citizen smith


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thx for the encouragement



keep your eyes peeled for a new update!



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reply posted on 3-8-2008 @ 12:10 PM by SHNIPE


Have you made any more progress?



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reply posted on 3-8-2008 @ 12:53 PM by Dan Tanna


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citizen, that is one hell of a project you got on your hands. Awesome. As some one who despises (yes, despises) workshop time, I got to say, your projects made me go all 'dammit thats cool, wish i didn't despise workshops'...

rofl. Keep us updated dude.



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reply posted on 3-8-2008 @ 04:16 PM by Anuubis


Don't know how far you've gotten on your project but it would have been a lot easier to build a wire frame and cover it with something. And you could have cut down drastically on the weight which would have made it more efficient. Plus it would have been easier to adjust for balance.



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reply posted on 2-9-2008 @ 09:26 AM by citizen smith


Well, better late than never...here's the update on the project as promised

These are the last two images of 'Mk I' taken before a rather unfortunate incident..





At this point, the cardboard blade-unit had been thoroughly covered in varnish to waterproof, then a layer of clay applied to take out the 'steps' of the profile to give a smooth surface...this stage went as well as expected, with the clay adhering well and left to dry til 'leather-hard'...there were only very fine hairline cracks in the surface of the clay and could now be worked-on with pottery scrapers to give a final almost glass-smooth surface to the touch...

This is the point where it all went horribly wrong...

To test the casting process of the blade surface before getting really mucky with fibreglass and resin, I applied a layer of clingfilm over the outside surface that was to be cast and used ModRoc (plaster-of-paris impregnated gauze bandage) to see how the final shape would look in fibreglass.

As it was a gloroiusly sunny and humid day, I left the whole thing sitting out in the sun to dry for a few hours whilst I went for a walk, and as I was out on my wander a torrential summer-thunderstorm broke. By the time I got back, the whole thing was a sorry looking pile of sodden cardboard and clay
and fit for nothing but the bin

'Annoyed' doesn't even begin to describe how I felt...and the OED now have plenty of newly-invented swear-words for their dictionary

Not to be defeated though, I've refined the design, and will be using the dual neodymium magnet-rotor alternator assembly from Hugh Piggott's HAWT turbine design rather than drill-motors, and a wire-meshed rotor-blade design

thanks to all posters for their input too...watch this space!




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reply posted on 12-9-2008 @ 01:29 PM by WatchRider


Oh Brother where art thou!

What a fcking disaster mate!
Why oh why did you leave it exposed, like a child in front of the wrecking ball!

Nevermind mate, at least your cracking on and rising up like the phoenix as opposed to diving/dying like the dodo.

Did you take a picture of the sloppy mess for us all to stare aghast in horror at?

I'm brewing up a project for my xbow soon so don't worry, we're all in some way or form getting stuff ready mate.



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reply posted on 12-9-2008 @ 03:29 PM by citizen smith



Originally posted by WatchRider
Oh Brother where art thou!

What a fcking disaster mate!
Why oh why did you leave it exposed, like a child in front of the wrecking ball!

Nevermind mate, at least your cracking on and rising up like the phoenix as opposed to diving/dying like the dodo.

Did you take a picture of the sloppy mess for us all to stare aghast in horror at?



Amen brother!

My 'Scoriag-wind turbine reciepe book' has landed, the Neo-magnets have just been ordered, and me dad warned of an imminent take-over of his workshop...there'll be plenty of sparks flying with the MkII build, but that'll only be from the arc-welder and angle-grinder

I was too damn upset and angry at the sight of the sodden mess to do anything other than kick the crap out of the resulting mess left around the yard and curse my own stupidity...lesson learnt!



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reply posted on 26-9-2008 @ 05:18 PM by AGENT_T


www.energytower.se...

This looks like an interesting 'spin' on an idea.

Wind is filtered into an ever decreasing diameter inner surface which creates a mini 'tornado' pressure drop..which spins an internal rotor.

It means that the 'generator' side of things can be kept low on the ground too.

Having taken a look at it,it seems to use a wing effect also on the inner rotor.
This is what I was trying to put into words for a 'wing profile' based turbine.

DOH!!!
OK now link is fixed..

[edit on 26-9-2008 by AGENT_T]



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reply posted on 27-9-2008 @ 03:33 AM by Northern Raider


I am fascinated by your turbine experiments, probably because I do consultancy work for E-on renewables helping them build Wind Farms, I think we have much to discuss.

NR

BTW The self destructing Danish Turbine took 18 hours to get itself into that mess, the blades we use now can stand 3 x the amount of centifugal motive the old ones did. I am putting up some turbines soon that stand 125 meters high, 3 in Barnsley, 10 in Sedgefield with 10 more planned for the A1. You would have enjoyed watching the one at Nissan sunderland turning itself into a flaming torch

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