Obama. A View From Scotland

reply to post by JesterMan

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You know, you have some truth to your statement. However, I fear that we are paving the path to destruction just as the other 'Great' nations have done before us. The only 'Great' nation that still exists from history is England. Do you honestly think that our world image is NOT important at this point in history?

Although I am not sold on Obama just yet I do hope for some type of change. Especially nowadays. The way we interact with the world is different so I truly believe that our image becomes more and more important.

We have taken steps to try and assure that there are no other superpowers in the world. To me that is pathetic. What is happening in fact is that our education system is getting left in the dust by many other 'non-super power' nations. So how are we going to maintain our position as the leaders of the world?

You see, having pride in your country is one thing. Having blind ignorant arrogance is yet another.

I fear for the future of this country if we stay on this current path.

reply to post by JesterMan

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Man Jester, first you get my gander up with the first ill-conceived comment and then you make one that I fully agree with. You confuse me man but I do wholeheartedly agree with the 2nd Amendment and what it means to this country. Gun rights MUST NOT be abolished. Ever.

Obama = Marxist. How on Earth will that be good for us? The great uniter?? He's a racist? I say either way - with the two BS choices we have - are are el screwed!! By stock in KY now.

Who cares? Americans sure don't, myself included. Want to know why? I personally find most foreigners very hypocritical in their views on the US.

reply to post by JesterMan

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The reason people come to the United States is to get behind our covert and overt bombs that we are dropping around the world. I'm 56 years old, born in America and my leaders have been dropping bombs in my name since I was born and before.

So if you want to continue your delusion go right ahead. The reality is, for most of those who come to America they are trying to avoid the bombs we drop hourly on the world.

Republican...Democrat...they're two wings on the same plane. One of the greatest scams ever pulled off in the United States - besides the corrupt, private Federal Reserve Bank - is the illusion that people have a choice in who the president will be. Just like Bush, the shadow government (about 6,000 globalists, according to "Super Class") has alread selected who they will install as the next 'decider' in the White House. However, I suspect that the globalists are so desparate now, taking into account that millions of Americans are waking up to the fraud of it all, that they may have already decided to stage another catastrophe as an excuse for Bush to declare martial law, suspend the so-called 'election', finish off the Constitution, and attack Iran. In fact, there is speculation that such an attack may very well take place by the end of August. I hope, for the world's sake, that everyone is wrong; however, all signs point to world-wide upheaval over the next few months. One thing I strongly encourage everyone to do is to start stocking up on food and water for their families as they are able to. May God have mercy and be with us all, as He is our only hope!

England.

man, they stole whole countries, with the cunning use of flags

I agree you saying foreigners can be somewhat hypocritcal.

But... this is the mixed message this country has spewed out since it's foundation. We all know true freedom in this country was a BOLD FACED LIE!

Granted, other countries have their faults, but they are not parading themselve's to be... "God loving Christians with democracy and love in their hearts." Please! Here enlies the confusion.

America - "We love you as human beings... our bible and constitution says so... we always take the high ground... love of mankind is in every part of our fiber... Now excuse us, we need to bomb you to smithereens!"

Now what foreign country in their right mind wouldn't have a brewing curiousity over this BS??

And to say you don't care... validates the problem with America's overall arrogance. It's just now other counties have figured out our "GRAND HUSTLE" and are arming themselve's to the teeth. And believe me... Americans will start caring when they are snatched-up on their vactions and locked up Rob Zombie style in a jungle hell hole.

Nows not the time to get caught with your pants at Bush's ankles.


[edit on 5-6-2008 by Level X]

I have something you might want to read before you decide if Obama is bringing hope for change.

This is who is backing Obama

You are meddling with the primal forces of nature... and you will atone!

Having concern on how you are viewed by others is a fundamental foundation block of life itself. This 'concern' is the immovable base for the pillars of social interaction from micro to macro of all social interactions species wide.



The tone of your post makes me read this ham handed explanation of yours as you describing a sociopathic mindset. Which is the level of consciousness of most microbes.

Not seeing ones self worth with respect to the whole by blinding themselves with their quests of avarice, is the dividing line between survival and extinction.

When people act like that... They are cannibals.



Uh-huh...



And it is always the most flattering fabric when worn by greedy, bullies... who intimidate and bribe everyone else on the playground.

What is amazing is how that fabric reflects the negatives right back to the core of the wearer until everything is consumed and a fabric wrapped husk is all that remains.

All empires collapse, and they all collapse for the same reasons.

In todays world. Everything happens that much faster... What took Rome thousands of years, took England and Spain 400... Will take us very much faster...

The inertia of hubris is a mighty foe... like an acid that only gets more corrosive, and stronger with each molecule it dismantles.




A chain is only as strong as the weakest link.

At the end of the day...

You can choose to evolve..or go hang out with the dinosaurs.

reply to post by shauny

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Thanks for your input on this subject. Aside from what the majority here is telling you (and let's remember that the majority are ALWAYS louder than the minority) a lot of us in this country DO care what the rest of the world think about our government. We are expected to be the leader of the free world in a lot of respects, and it's hard to know we're in that position with the screw-ups of the last few years.

My husband is a marine biologist and works with a lot of people from Norway and Sweden. They feel the same way you do - that Obama is what this country needs to be seen in a respectable light again by the rest of the world.

I also work with professionals in the medical field from all over the world who came to this country for a better life. They profess to me daily how much we need a MAJOR change in Washington to become favorable with the rest of the world again. Perhaps the people who so adamantly proclaim they don't care about the world's opinion of US government do not have interactions with those who know of its importance.

We need allies, people. Contrary to what you may believe, we can't stand all alone.

Again, thanks for your post.

wow, you have won me over.

NOT !

what a rubbish thing to say

bottom lines its not about other countries liking the usa.

its not about world views. its about corruption, money, power and greed

the united states will never be saved as long as we choose presidents from such a shallow pool that is fully stocked by the elite and fed by the media

it would be impossible to change in that situation as those in control will keep power no matter whos name is under the presidential title


the only time that the usa will change is when the small people stand up and force a change because they are sick of the way things are; just like our forefathers did.

unfortunately it honestly seems everyones too pussy..i mean we've had a couple protests and riots... but nothing near what needs to be done by citizens in order to take back the united states from the pieces of sh*t


one man cant change the world alone, but when u get enough of the single men together, empires are born


*edited to throw in the last line after thinking about the people who were responsible for the creation of the usa*

[edit on 8-6-2008 by Dramey]

Only on ATS, 2 people go from complete dissagreement to finding a common ground. Much love.