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reply posted on 4-6-2008 @ 06:17 PM by mdiinican
Seconded. EE here, RFID doesn't work that way. for a tiny little chip like those you can get put into pets, and by extension, into humans, you won't be able to read them at 3 feet, let alone 300. They're tiny, usually passive RF devices, which use a tiny printed antenna. Something the size of a grain of rice is too small to be effectively detected over distances much greater than near contact.

Also: were you conscious for the vaccination? Did it look like they jabbed you with a needle thicker than a clothes hanger? Like, almost 3/4ths as thick as a pencil? Because otherwise, there's no way they could get one in you with a needle. RFID devices can be made small, but they can't be made *that* small, especially if you want them to hold any real information. Furthermore, a passive RFID chip only holds about 32-128 bits. That's not a whole lot of information. If people know your name from something like that, they've probably got devices that already have all your information on them, and are just using a number given from the RFID to bring up your information. In which case you've got bigger problems.

It's all fantastically unlikely though.

The smaller they are, the harder they are to read at a distance. Passive RFID, such as one might use in a national ID card, or implant in an animal or person, are typically capable of being read only to 5-10 centimeters. If you build a device that is illegally high powered, you could expect to detect the chips as far away as 40-50 centimeters.


reply posted on 6-6-2008 @ 02:08 AM by mdiinican
Originally posted by doctormcauley
Do you want to know how to fry it?

Use an electromagnet. Leave the magnet taped to the area over night, and during the day if possible.

This will cause the metallic circuitry and nano tech to be pulled out of alignment and it will cease to function.

What to know how to remove it?

Use an even stronger electromagnet. Use one strong enough that you can feel the skin between the chip and magnet being pinched.

Where this magnet for a few weeks, and keep the skin covered so that it remains soft and moist. I recommend you use polysporin or other petroleum based antibiotic ointment - just a dab

Do not try to remove it by operation, the magnet will suffice.

The magnet will disrupt any frequency that it is currently modulated to and the data will be corrupt... until the magnet final does it's job and wrecks the circuits... or until it pulls it out ( should you chose this route)

Rest assured you are not the only soldier running around with a magnet stuck to yourself...


Powerful magnets will actull not fry RFID chips, and it's very unlikely that they will do anything to physically remove them from your body. They're simply not made of magnetic metals. Mostly they're made of thin copper, some silicon, and plastic, or ceramic. Metals are, as a group the worst biomaterials, and are only implanted into people when they need the sheer strength. An RFID implant just needs to stay in the body, so they are typically packaged in plastic or ceramic, which have far less chance of being rejected due to allergic or other reactions. Ferromagnetic materials have no place in the actual functional RFID device.

If you want to see how little effect a magnet will have on an RFID chip, try using one on one of the RFID chips at wallmart or target, and then try and shoplift the product right through the RFID readers, and see how far that gets you.


EDIT: Microwaves, such as from a microwave oven, will kill RFID chips, often impressively, slightly pyrotechnically so. But I don't know how you'd go about getting that much microwave radiation into your body, and seriously doubt it'd be safe.

EDIT 2: I guess you could burn out an RFID tag if you moved a powerful enough magnet fast enough past the site to induce a current in the antenna, but simply having a magnet near an RFID tag won't do anything.

EDIT 3: You could wrap the suspected site in aluminum foil; radio doesn't penetrate metal well, so it should make it so nobody could read the chip. You'd look kind of silly though.


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reply posted on 6-6-2008 @ 06:49 PM by mdiinican
Originally posted by 12.21.12
Not to mention that these chips are alkaline based aren't they? So trying to remove one counld be a fatal mistake, unless done properly.


nah, they're small passive electronic devices containing some read only memory and an antenna. Most of the time, they're in sticker form, for tracking inventory and preventing theft. For implantation in animals, they're usually encased in some kind of non bioactive substance, like plastic, ceramic, or maybe glass,

RFID chips can be made VERY small, down to less than half a millimeter to a side (and even smaller, nowadays, but that's out of my department) , but those require near contact to be read, because of their near microscopic antenna. The very small RFID chips are more for embedding in money, credit and gift cards, IDs, etc. I haven't seen one personally, but they're certainly available. They don't tend to be the kind put in living things, though.

It should be perfectly harmless to remove, unless there is some kind of purposely installed tamper-proofing system, which I don't think is very likely at all.

Hell, apparently Kodak developed edible RFID tags, for medical purposes, they track how quickly things pass through your intestinal tract. Now of course, all kinds of things that you can eat just fine would kill you if you were to put them in your bloodstream instead, but RFID chips tend to be made of relatively benign substances, and are rather small. Damaging the covering would allow copper and silicon into your blood, which are slightly toxic, but there shouldn't be *that* much of either in an RFID chip. Not enough to be deadly.


reply posted on 8-6-2008 @ 06:02 AM by 12.21.12
en.wikipedia.org...

Degaussing magnetic data storage media

Data is stored in magnetic media, such as hard drives, floppy disks and magnetic tape, by making very small areas called magnetic domains change their magnetic alignment to be in the direction of an applied magnetic field. This phenomenon occurs in much the same way a compass needle points in the direction of the earth's magnetic field. Degaussing, commonly called erasure, leaves the domains in random patterns with no preference to orientation, thereby rendering previous data unrecoverable. There are some domains whose magnetic alignment is not randomized after degaussing. The information these domains represent is commonly called magnetic remanence since it is due to remanent magnetization. Proper degaussing will ensure there is insufficient magnetic remanence to reconstruct the data.[1]
Erasure via degaussing may be accomplished in two ways: in AC erasure, the media is degaussed by applying an alternating field that is reduced in amplitude over time from an initial high value (i.e., AC powered); in DC erasure, the media is saturated by applying a unidirectional field (i.e., DC powered or by employing a permanent magnet). A degausser is a device that can generate a magnetic field for degaussing magnetic storage media.[2]


I've always wanted to try sticking my ID in one and see what happens the next time it goes through a card reader.

[edit on 8-6-2008 by 12.21.12]


reply posted on 8-6-2008 @ 06:11 AM by mdiinican
Originally posted by 12.21.12
en.wikipedia.org...

Degaussing magnetic data storage media

Data is stored in magnetic media, such as hard drives, floppy disks and magnetic tape, by making very small areas called magnetic domains change their magnetic alignment to be in the direction of an applied magnetic field. This phenomenon occurs in much the same way a compass needle points in the direction of the earth's magnetic field. Degaussing, commonly called erasure, leaves the domains in random patterns with no preference to orientation, thereby rendering previous data unrecoverable. There are some domains whose magnetic alignment is not randomized after degaussing. The information these domains represent is commonly called magnetic remanence since it is due to remanent magnetization. Proper degaussing will ensure there is insufficient magnetic remanence to reconstruct the data.[1]
Erasure via degaussing may be accomplished in two ways: in AC erasure, the media is degaussed by applying an alternating field that is reduced in amplitude over time from an initial high value (i.e., AC powered); in DC erasure, the media is saturated by applying a unidirectional field (i.e., DC powered or by employing a permanent magnet). A degausser is a device that can generate a magnetic field for degaussing magnetic storage media.[2]


I've always wanted to try sticking my ID in one and see what happens the next time it goes through a card reader.

[edit on 8-6-2008 by 12.21.12]


I think mythbusters tried that, and it didn't do anything, but hey, may as well try for science. Try using a mostly expired gift card or something. One with like 50 cents on it. I mean, what else would you do with it?
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