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posted on Jun, 4 2008 @ 09:34 PM
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I clearly remember GWB's security clearance being delayed after he took office because of all the dark dirt in his past. Do you really want to drag that out in this campaign?

After the Bush White House, I don't think they could dig up another President who is as bad for national security...

The one presently residing in the WH doesn't give a squat about the Constitution, either.

The founding fathers were right. Anyone who says otherwise because they worship at GWB's throne is a fool and a chump.




posted on Jun, 4 2008 @ 09:47 PM
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The only security clearence Obama will ever need in his presidency, is the key to the WHITE HOUSE.

Once he has that prize in his hand... (and he will) he'll have the power & leverage to unravel everything LEGAL... the ILLEGAL moron put in place.

The FBI can cavity probe Obama all they want... but... they'd better not take it too far... because the world is ah watching!!

Soon America will literally be throwing clearence's hand over fist to tear the white house down to it's lie-infested foundation... because we can smell the rotting carcass's of Bush's political funeral procession!

Bush - "I'm ah scared... the whole Injun nation... I mean America, is ah after me... I'll be Hunker'd the Bunker!!"

And... you can best believe the Dem's and the media vulture's are gonna bloodhound his legacy of nothingness to the enth! Peeling back Bush's monkey business.

I feel... as crazy as it may sound, it will even be welcomed by the FBI. Even they want to rid themselve's of Bush's skid marks on the American people.

You talk about alien disclosure!! Get ready for round one of "Bushclosure."



[edit on 4-6-2008 by Level X]



posted on Jun, 4 2008 @ 11:18 PM
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wow...your post is so off topic i have no idea how to respond.
lessee, ok you hate bush, you think he is illegal somehow?
you think obama will be given a free pass?

a brief reminder, this thread is about mr. obama (not president obama) not being able to pass a security clearance and yet people look at him as some modern day messiah.



posted on Jun, 4 2008 @ 11:21 PM
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Originally posted by hotbakedtater
I am confused. What is it that prevents him from getting clearance?? I might have missed the post with the information, like his offenses? Also, was this a public official announcement, I hardly watch TV anymore, I am too tired after work to keep up with much. When was it announced? Sorry to be so dense, thanks.

yes you missed the post. here is the info from it.

this one alone would deny him clearance
www.debbieschlussel.com...

and there is this one:
www.suntimes.com...
"2003, Obama announced he was running for the U.S. Senate, and Rezko -- a member of his campaign finance committee -- held a lavish fund-raiser June 27, 2003, at his Wilmette mansion."

and this one would definetely deny him clearance:
www.huffingtonpost.com...
" Ayers is also quoted after Sept. 11th saying that he has no regrets for his past actions, but rather he feels that "we didn't do enough." Take a gander at his website and see if you find contrition, or self-aggrandizement."

or I should say, those connections would deny you and me a security clearance.



posted on Jun, 5 2008 @ 02:08 AM
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I have a security clearance. I know it would be almost impossible to get one if I had the same contacts as Mr. Obama.

On the same note, though, it would be impossible to get one with either of the Clinton's past issues or the the Bush's.

Conclusion: The Office of the President of the United States has a complimentary security clearance. He will get one if he is elected, as good hard working people, like myself and many others, will have to keep the slate clean. Our standards are higher.



posted on Jun, 5 2008 @ 02:50 AM
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What a ridiculous thread. Im sick and tired of hearing obama this obama that, we get enough of it in the mainstream media. Stupid tabloid style threads like this belong on The Sun newspaper website.

To the hipocrit that started this ridiculous thread:

Look at the Bush administration, firstly I do believe that 9/11 was an insiders job, if you don't, fair enough dont prove any points against it because i've read all the classic debunkers arguements.

"dubya" has so many links to known terrorists its unreal! I don't even need to list all the shady people that Bush has worked with or been associated with in the past. (just google it!)

Obama is a highly educated man, who graduated top of his class at Harvard Law, before this he had years of experience working on the ground level, in communities with disadvantaged people (like my past line of work) so he knows how to relate to people who feel alienated and feel that the system doesnt work for them. He can see simple changes that need to be made. (do you think hilary (with her apparant 8 years experience in the elite house *cough* ..white house) or mccain can relate to these people?! (a bitter ex-POW from nam)... well we already know of McCain's sentiments on far eastern foreigners (they are "gooks").

Obama regardless of colour, is the best person for the job... its ridiculous to think aswell like some people do on this forum that he is in the position he is in because of this... I dont think so. He infact reminds me of Kennedy, a person that made a similiar impact on people, speaking about change, a different more united america. This is what you need! I don't see how Obama or his policies could possibly add friction to race relations in the states.

I think all you bitter Americans that despise Obama and start stupid threads like this that don't actually discredit the subject but rather the author are pointless.

If you are going to make a point of why Obama isn't the right person for the job then you could do better than this piece of trash.

Imagine if Obama was president during the time of Katrina, do you think he would have flown around just observing the damage in airforce 1? Do you think that he would have just sat there reading childrens books on the announcement that a plane had hit the towers? I personally dont think so due to his character, his passion and his energy. I think he would have been at the centre of control and would have been able to handle all of these situations in a far better way..

To address some comments that were made in previous crappy threads that i didnt participate in, regarding NASA. I would support him if he reduced funding to NASA, I think in America there are more important things than spending billions to send probes into space and such. I think that before we can invest trillions of the peoples money to satisfy space progress, you guys should address all of the domestic problems you have first like health care, gun crime, etc.

These threads make me sick, I think there should be a new forum called "Obama watch" and all you like minded bitter haters can go there all day and talk a bout how much you hate Obama, and how hes a hidden muslim and all this other tabloid style trash!

I dont care if hes black, a muslim (because i dont think muslims or islam is a threat to this world, however religious extremism is), a man, a women, a smoker, a non smoker, as long as he does a good job.

DRUGS... Yes Obama has taken drugs in his life, and he admits it in his books.. where most people like "dubya" would keep it secret in fear that it would ruin his career, here Obama has chosen the road of transparancy, he has always been pretty transparant with these sorts of things.

The Republicans are anything but transparant! elitists, they put the rich man first (who are a small minority) there heavy arms trading, family business that sit like leach off of the govt through there various multi-millioin/billion dollar contracts..



posted on Jun, 5 2008 @ 03:19 AM
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Originally posted by blimpseeker
If Obama went to get a job working for one of the alphabet soup agencies he would not make it past the first step in the background check and would promptly be shown the door.

This is due to the FACT that he has relations with felony criminals and known terrorists.


Well, if its of for Bush's main secretary of defense and architect/protagonist of two major military actions to meet Saddam Hussein, talk about an oil pipeline and sell him the precursors to the chemicals used on the Kurds in 1988....



Then I say Obama really has nothing to worry about - unless you are trying to imply that Rumsfeld didn't have any clearances whatsoever to any sensitive materials....mind you, that explains certain "intelligence" discrepancies.....



[edit on 5/0608/08 by neformore]



posted on Jun, 5 2008 @ 03:32 AM
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You know, it's funny. Always somewhere in the middle of night here in the USA, you get that cluster of major pro-Obama posts.

Why? Because these posts are coming from outside the USA (i.e the one above from England).

They are pro-Obama this and that. Bush is so evil.

I've got news for you pro-Obama Englishmen. England is a stout US allie. If Obama drags the US into a war (which he certainly will), you'll have to fight his war (or feel obligated to) as well.

You guys are so naive. It is frustrating to me. Obama will not only put the troops in greater harms way because of downsizing the military and slowing the developement of weapons (his own words), he'll give whoever we go to war with a most decided advantage based on his inexperience and naivity.

If you are in the US military (or English, Australian etc.), you should not want Obama in the White House whatsoever. He will downsize what is protecting you and take away your advantages and put you in greater harms way (for causes many of us are highly suspicious of here in the US in the first place).

A three year Senator with stark anti-American and Terrorist associations for the Commander in Chief of the free world??? You'd have to really privy to emotion and not logic.

Get a grip on the situation. Obama cannot and should not be President of the USA.

Also, consider this. One Sunburn Nuclear II antiship missle can destroy and sink a US aircraft carrier. Obama is opposed to the Sunburn II counter weapon developement (as was Bill Clinton).

One of these missles hits a carrier and it is nearly 5000 dead in one shot. There haven't even been that many killed (God bless their souls) in Iraq to this point. In 15 minutes or less, that many could be lost at Sea. The Chinese and Iranians have this missle.


[edit on 5-6-2008 by jetxnet]



posted on Jun, 5 2008 @ 04:03 AM
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I see a typical response from someone who was clutching on to a straw and has suddenly had it taken away from them by historical record.

The premise of the thread is that Obama, because of his supposed ties, wouldn't get FBI clearance. I just busted that idea wide open and - to be honest - you can't counter it, so you decided to try deflect away from that.



posted on Jun, 5 2008 @ 04:47 AM
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First of all, Im not from England im from the Netherlands. Second of all, I am not saying that anything is perfect in Europe with regards to the decisions our leaders make and the policies in which they back.

However, your main arguement against Obama is driven by fear. I dont think downsizing military budget is a bad thing, because im tired of the bush administration being handed blank cheques to further there conquests in the middle east.

Here you are talking about homeland security, when most of your military is abroad. I think it was mentioned at the time of Katrina that the rescue operation was affected because alot of the rescue equipment was in the middle east.. now how does this keep american citizens safer this way?

Here we have a fresh young person, with a vision, just like Kennedy. He is talking about a different america, a more united america. Which in my opinion would be a better America.

I know im not an american and I dont have a right to vote and decide your futures, but due to the position of the states both as a super power and as a major economical player in the global macro-economic markets I believe I have a right to an opinion on the subject.

To the people that say that Obama has no experience with handling the defences of your country, I beg to disagree, I dont think at any time you will find dubya at the pulse, he has advisors and analysts that will feed information back and allow him to make what he feels is a good decision, i think the same will happen with Obama, he has experienced people in these roles as advisors so that he can pool a collective experience that will match any republican presidents experience.

"If you are in the US military (or English, Australian etc.), you should not want Obama in the White House whatsoever. He will downsize what is protecting you and take away your advantages and put you in greater harms way (for causes many of us are highly suspicious of here in the US in the first place)."

What is protecting us?!! I was in London at the time of the 7/11 bombings, bush didnt protect any of the people that perished then, and he was in the country at the time?! and what made you such the oracle of the future, so if it were you we should carry on this heading in an unsustainable manner towards economic crisis and fighting a war with no end? (the bush way)... i think only a fool can look at the current economic and social state of america and say that we need more cheney's and bush's. And I suppose that the fact that your govt keeps alot of its dangerous nuclear weapons on british soil due to agreements and shaken hands is also something thats not keeping us safe. In england there is a high population of Muslims, these people feel alienated, oppressed by the media, and feel like they are being unfairly treated. These people arent terrorists! they are peaceful law abiding citizens who pay taxes! I have muslim friends and they all condemn extremism, and do not share the sentiment that the western world is there enemy. Infact I also believe that fundamentally Islam is a religion of peace. Infact I think Islam translates to the word Peace. I have read some of the quaran (the muslim holy book) and find alot of the things it sais go against extremism and more towards peace.. If I can remember one verse "and god made his people into various different tribes, so that they may get to know and learn from one another".

"Also, consider this. One Sunburn Nuclear II antiship missle can destroy and sink a US aircraft carrier. Obama is opposed to the Sunburn II counter weapon developement (as was Bill Clinton).

One of these missles hits a carrier and it is nearly 5000 dead in one shot. There haven't even been that many killed (God bless their souls) in Iraq to this point. In 15 minutes or less, that many could be lost at Sea. The Chinese and Iranians have this missle."

How about you consider the fear you have of such an event. Sept 11 didnt happen under the democrats.



posted on Jun, 5 2008 @ 07:28 AM
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Originally posted by hotbakedtater
I am confused. What is it that prevents him from getting clearance??


In the real world these things would get you flagged and probably would prevent you from getting a clearance -

- past drug use.
- past drug addiction.
- friends who are known terrorists.
- co-workers who are known terrorists.
- friends who were once on the FBI's ten most wanted list.
- continual association with people who associate with Kadaffi.
- questionable international travels and associations with people who engage in questionable international travels (Rev. wright and the Farrakhans who go to Libya, etc)

If any of us were to try to get a security clearance with these in our backgrounds, it would hinder us. Perhaps even exclude us.

These are all in Obama's background.


Originally posted by DINSTAAR
Ithe Clinton's past issues

That brings up blackmail. Clinton, and his numerous affairs, made him blackmailable. That's something that someone with a security clearance definately shouldn't have going on in their life. Especially the POTUS.



posted on Jun, 5 2008 @ 07:40 AM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan
- past drug use.
- past drug addiction.
- friends who are known terrorists.
- co-workers who are known terrorists.
- friends who were once on the FBI's ten most wanted list.
- continual association with people who associate with Kadaffi.
- questionable international travels and associations with people who engage in questionable international travels


Again, how many of these apply to the current POTUS? I would conjecture that its quite a few, especially the last one - see above


I don't see your argument here. You're trying to condem a man for stuff that has already been accepted and is applicable to the guy doing the job at the moment.

Its the ultimate straw man argument.



posted on Jun, 5 2008 @ 07:40 AM
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Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
Im sick and tired of hearing obama this obama that,

That's too damn bad. The POTUS vetting has just begun.


To the hipocrit that started this ridiculous thread:

Off topic, personal insult. If you were a member, you'd deserve a warning.


Look at the Bush administration,

Off Topic. The TOPIC IS THIS - if Obama walked into the NSA/CIA/FBI and wanted to work for them, he'd be DENIED because of his background. He wouldn't be able to get a clearance.


Obama is a highly educated man,

So was Robert Hansen. So were the Ames'. So is Bush43. So is John Kerry. Education does NOT mean that he should get a security clearance.


we already know of McCain's sentiments on far eastern foreigners (they are "gooks").

1 - off topic.
2 - He said his Vietnamese guards in the prison were gooks. Not all Asians.


I think all you bitter Americans that despise Obama and start stupid threads like this ...

"bitter" Americans?
Lemme' guess .. you are a foreigner who has been bit by the baracknid and now you are half obamatose.



If you are going to make a point of why Obama isn't the right person for the job then you could do better than this piece of trash.

The POINT by the OP was this - If Obama walked in and tried to get a job with the CIA/NSA/FBI he would be DENIED because he wouldn't be able to get a clearance. His background would make it impossible. THAT is the point. It's very clear.


To address some comments that were made in previous crappy threads

Off topic. You want to make those comments, then go to those threads.
(BTW - you are dead wrong about NASA.)


These threads make me sick,

Then don't read them and go away.


DRUGS... Yes Obama has taken drugs in his life,

He was ADDICTED. He said so in his book. This alone would make it very hard, perhaps impossible, for him to get a clearance to work at the FBI/NSA/CIA.


The Republicans are anything but transparant! elitists,

Newsflash - Obama is an elitist.



posted on Jun, 5 2008 @ 07:44 AM
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Originally posted by neformore
I don't see your argument here. You're trying to condem a man for stuff that has already been accepted and is applicable to the guy doing the job at the moment.


The OP said - (paraphrase) if Obama was to walk in off the street and try to get a clearance to work at NSA/FBI/CIA he'd be denied. I listed the things that would cause him to be denied his clearance. (those things I listed are for sure ... I used to work in the field before I became a mom) Those are the same things that would cause BUSH43 to be denied. The ONLY reason Bush43 got a clearance is because he was elected POTUS. The same thing will happen with Obama.

If you or I walked into the NSA/CIA/FBI with the things that Obama (or Bush) has in his background, we'd be denied. Rightfully so.

The OP was correct - Obama would be denied. I'll add that Bush would be denied as well.



posted on Jun, 5 2008 @ 08:03 AM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan
The OP said - (paraphrase) if Obama was to walk in off the street and try to get a clearance to work at NSA/FBI/CIA he'd be denied.


That he did, but then he went on to say


Originally posted by blimpseeker
And this isn't a problem with these....people/supporters...what is this world coming to?


Which is the bit I'm addressing. The world isn't coming to anything. The world accepted this when Bush was voted in. Its not a new thing. Its people clutching at straws that aren't there, because they were removed a long, long time ago.

See where I'm coming from? Its a dead argument.



posted on Jun, 5 2008 @ 08:05 AM
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So now we're getting ideas for ATS threads from Sean Hannity's talk radio show!? Deny Ignorance people.



posted on Jun, 5 2008 @ 08:30 AM
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Originally posted by neformore

Originally posted by FlyersFan
The OP said - (paraphrase) if Obama was to walk in off the street and try to get a clearance to work at NSA/FBI/CIA he'd be denied.


That he did, but then he went on to say


Originally posted by blimpseeker
And this isn't a problem with these....people/supporters...what is this world coming to?


Which is the bit I'm addressing. The world isn't coming to anything. The world accepted this when Bush was voted in. Its not a new thing. Its people clutching at straws that aren't there, because they were removed a long, long time ago.

See where I'm coming from? Its a dead argument.


he also said this concerning bush:

perhaps he shouldn't. maybe we should follow the LAW when it comes to everyone?
maybe bushy wouldn't be in office?
maybe clinton wouldn't have been in?

maybe we could have REAL MEN in office like Romney?
who could easily pass a background check.

which you failed to notice...i assume by honest oversight ?



posted on Jun, 5 2008 @ 08:40 AM
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Originally posted by blimpseeker
which you failed to notice...i assume by honest oversight ?


No, I noticed it. The point I'm making is that it's a non argument. Its too late. Anyone who looks at it and says "this is reason not to vote for this guy" is being naive at best and grossly hypocritical at worst.

It seems that people are just chucking out excuses for the sake of it, which I find fascinating.



posted on Jun, 5 2008 @ 09:52 AM
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Originally posted by kosmicjack
So now we're getting ideas for ATS threads from Sean Hannity's talk radio show!? Deny Ignorance people.

in reply to your post:
ignorant,
irrelevent,
off topic,
incorrect,
boring,
one liner



posted on Jun, 5 2008 @ 09:55 AM
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Originally posted by neformore
Its too late.

I will accept the fact that you are British as an excuse for your ignorance of the American voting system.
The presidential election is scheduled for Tusday, November 4, 2008





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