Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
Originally posted by HowlrunnerIV
Barack Obama has done nothing to engender faith in his rhetoric.
Maybe not to you, but there are a WHOLE lot of people who feel differently.
Yes and I've already expressed my, ahem, shall we say, disdain for them...
Why would I want to keep loyalties with someone who speaks that way?
I'm not saying you would. But there are people who find it more difficult to break with someone who has spoken offensively. He did eventually break. Not "soon enough" for some. Big deal.
It IS a big deal. If you have little to no record on which to be judged while asking a nation (if not world) of hundreds of millions not to hold you back, based on your "leadership qualities", then we must look at your friends and associates to see what kind of character you are, er, have.
Speaker makes an outrageous statement, crowd responds positively, speaker makes a more outrageous comment, crowd responds more positively, nobody stops to think of what it is they are actually saying or the views they are advocating
That sounds like every church service I've ever seen! LOL So, you don't agree with the Reverend Wright. I get it. That doesn't equate to Obama being a bad president.
I've already said what church services look like in my denomination (Anglican), the fact that the above description matches every church service you've ever seen tells us either your colour (given you geographic location) or that you only see church services when you watch re-runs of The Blues Brothers.
Well, that might be taking it a bit far, but you wouldn't have much credibility... Hell, not only are we not the same colour, we're not even the same nationality or religion.
Then how do you manage to have any credibility?If you maintain such a strong link with someone with whom you disagree on such a basic belief as religion, how can your other friends possibly trust you???
I'll let you play with that, as I played with your words, for exactly two seconds. Then I will point out that you have conflated two different statements about two different points. And you know it.
Uh-huh, Auschwitz is swiftboating?
YES! Think about his thought process here... "Wow, if I say Dachau, people won't be impressed... And if I say my great uncle, they might not relate it to me... So I'll just make something up! I'll say it was my Uncle and use Auschwitz instead! Yeah! That's the ticket! That will really be impressive! And they have no way of checking up on me to find out if it's true..."
"I had a uncle who was one of the, who was part of the first American troops to go into Auschwitz and liberate the concentration camps,"
video, too
As a semi-adopted son of the nation that suffered the worst proportional genocide of the 20th century, I take personal offence at politicians using the/any Holocaust/genocide for personal political gain. Obama didn't make a "simple mistake", Obama knew exactly what he was doing when he chose to speak of the Holocaust, that he was actually speaking about returning servicemen only makes his flippant use of Auschwitz even more insulting.
Obama's "Auschwitz" is only slightly less insulting (mostly to the "idea of the memory of the real victims") than W's "Leave Iraq = new Killing Fields" (which is directly insulting to the world's intelligence as W was talking about the aftermath of VN and the Killing Fields were where?).
So, Obama cares about Vets and their medical benefits, but he does't care enough to get the facts of the Holocaust straight? What the Hell, right? Let's face it, what's another four years of a White House that can't be bothered to get the little things right?
As for little things, it wasn't Dachau, it was Buchenwald. And if you want, it wasn't Buchenwald, which people could be reasonably expected to assume was a Nazi concentration camp (especially as he then says that's what it was), it was Ohrdruf, which was one of the camps in the Buchenwald complex. But who's counting?
"Swiftboating" is outright lying about a candidate by a third party. No-one lied but Obama himself.
You effing morons gave the presidency to W TWICE.
They TOOK the presidency. And I'm betting you know that. I never voted for W. And I agree with you.
The took it ONCE. You gave it to him LEGALLY the second time, despite demonstrated spectacular incompetence in both foreign and domestic policy.
[edit on 9-6-2008 by HowlrunnerIV]
and I live in perfect harmony
with the people of color in my geographical location. And I have been to every kind of Christian church service you can name (including Anglican) and
a few non-Christian. And in them, the speaker makes an outrageous statement (Usually about some man in the sky who is watching everything I do), the
crowd responds positively (Amen! Praise the Lord!), speaker makes a more outrageous comment (how I can be "saved" and go to the big place in the
sky), crowd responds more positively, nobody stops to think of what it is they are actually saying or the views they are advocating... The
ridiculous notions of creation, heaven, Jesus, "God", sin, being "saved" and converting others to the same insane cult-like ideas... That's what
I meant. 
