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posted on Dec, 7 2008 @ 11:52 AM
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Nice


I think we've got something set up in case of booze shortage already. But now I can be a designated driver both places and easily reachable no matter who needs to be escorted out of a thread




@semper: I knew it. I knew it all along. Until the next pretty girl posts a picture in the BTS member pictures thread, then you're all eyes




posted on Dec, 7 2008 @ 11:54 AM
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thanks dear



we won.t influnece semper tonight


otherwise ……
na that.s mean



posted on Dec, 7 2008 @ 12:03 PM
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Just remember that "Proper" influence can be a boon!!!!

Now what the heck is proper influence?



posted on Dec, 7 2008 @ 12:05 PM
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Would that be as in "under the …"?

Here ya go, to fuel you for the fight:




posted on Dec, 7 2008 @ 12:08 PM
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we should distinguish between influence and manipulation!

but this would not influence anybody, but strengthen you




posted on Dec, 7 2008 @ 01:53 PM
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Morning all...I see the Fight is underway; can't wait to catch up on it...


Congrats Heike..


dingbat: I knew semper would open it if I couldn't make it in time...



posted on Dec, 7 2008 @ 01:55 PM
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After loosing two debates, Ive decided to go ahead and win this one. I hope semper doesnt mind



posted on Dec, 7 2008 @ 02:14 PM
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Just caught up; who knew this topic would be so much fun...



posted on Dec, 7 2008 @ 02:18 PM
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They are definitely putting on a good show



posted on Dec, 7 2008 @ 02:27 PM
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Over-Confidence

The downfall of many...



posted on Dec, 7 2008 @ 03:25 PM
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Originally posted by semperfortis
Over-Confidence

The downfall of many...




Or to quote you in the Debate:



Let me begin by saying that this is a debate. One in which I intend on winning





posted on Dec, 7 2008 @ 05:35 PM
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I love it, you're in the middle of an epic debate with a formidable opponent and still find the time to shut down threads.


Edit: I hope it's not a sign of frustration.






[edit on 12/7/2008 by schrodingers dog]



posted on Dec, 7 2008 @ 05:40 PM
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Oh this is gold...

Semperfortis, alternative cop.
Skyfloating, illuminated knitting instructor.

I ask you, where can one find a better group of people? Nowhere!




posted on Dec, 7 2008 @ 05:47 PM
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Originally posted by schrodingers dog


I love it, you're in the middle of an epic debate with a formidable opponent and still find the time to shut down threads.


Edit: I hope it's not a sign of frustration.




Im doing pretty good, thanks


I love having the closing word in a debate.



posted on Dec, 7 2008 @ 05:50 PM
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general question to the veteran fighers:
is it better to have the 1st opening or the last closing statement of the debate?

what do you think?



posted on Dec, 7 2008 @ 05:54 PM
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It really depend on the topic and which position one has to defend.
In general terms, having the first post might enable one to set the tone and direction of the debate, whereas having the last word has its own inherent advantages.
It's almost impossible to say one way or the other as set advantage.
Usually semper and shock take this into account when they decide the topic and set the sequence.



posted on Dec, 7 2008 @ 05:57 PM
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While not as scarred as the 'veterans', my opinion is that it really depends on the debate topic. Usually having the opening post is a weak position, because you're expected to summarize your case, without knowing what approach your opponent is going to take. But if the topic is such that you can take a strong stance, that is defensible from various angles, it can set a strong tone from the start. But if you don't know what approach your opponent might take, and the 'defenses' against them are contradictory, you allow your opponent to choose their best position, which can hurt.

It's an advantage that, if you open, you can use Socratic Questions in your opening statement. Many debaters here are very adept at dodging those questions, though. Building the assumptions of your case into the questions themselves helps.

Having the last word, in closing, can be a bit of an advantage, too. More so with the audience than the judges. Usually the impression that someone leaves with is heavily influenced by the last summary or slant they were presented (unfortunately). The judges are more objective, however. But, realize that the judges must have to re-read the debate, so if you can set a tone that undermines your opponent's entire argument, then it's an advantage.

Unfortunately, seasoned debaters know these tricks, and (apparently), so do the judges, so they're more "things to watch out for", rather than "sure-win strategies".


Edit: oops silly me, no SQ's in closing statements

[edit on 7-12-2008 by Ian McLean]



posted on Dec, 7 2008 @ 06:04 PM
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thanks s-dog and ian

i see!
so it doesn.t matter in the first debates, when you have to get a feeling for it?

to the Socratic Questions - since being really new in this business
- don.t you need some experience with them otherwise they might turn against you?



posted on Dec, 7 2008 @ 06:07 PM
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I'll let our champion field this one, see if I can learn something.



posted on Dec, 7 2008 @ 06:11 PM
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In your first debates, just go for it. Don't get too hung up on strategy; just try and express the truth of your position. Honesty trumps trickery every time. Getting more strategic, it's more about controlling what avenues the debate explores.

SQ's can be a bit tricky. One debate judgment I read really set it home for me; it was one of semper's debates. The judge said that semper just used SQ's to constantly hammer at the weak points of the opponent's case, keeping them on the defensive. I thought this was a really good use of SQ's, so I tried it in my debate against sky. The result: one judge accused me of trying to 'set traps' with my questions. Go figure.



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