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posted on Dec, 5 2008 @ 03:51 AM
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*oops dunno how that happened*

[edit on 5-12-2008 by Lucid Lunacy]




posted on Dec, 5 2008 @ 03:53 AM
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don.t know yet
since no monitor i couldn.t boot it - woudl have been useless!

outside it says: acer power s series

but it will tell me more when i booted it!

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reply to post by Lucid Lunacy
 


in that case i would define myself aswell as an individualistic anarchist.
this common belive in authorities which i think german people prefer more than anything else (average mainstream german) really makes me sick. get a kind of nausea thinking about such crap.

especially if people claim such an authority just for being older, richer, having a certain title or position - which i can.t understand, it is a kind of "we are superior"-system which can only fail.




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posted on Dec, 5 2008 @ 04:13 AM
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Originally posted by orange-light

@lucid:
how would you define being an arnachist?

i would classify myself more as a non-conformist


I define myself as a 'social anarchist'.

Although 'non-conformist' evokes imagery of "angst teen rebellion" for some (at least in my woods), it's actually a pretty good way of saying it Orange


Basically Anarchism suggests that the presence of hierarchical authority in all institutions of society, is detrimental to society. Society instead should be in the direct control of the People. At which point we see different flavors of 'anarchists'. Some inclined to be more individualistic, and others more communal.

Thus an anarchist could also be a communist (the kind elucidated in Ian's debate), but isn't necessarily one. If the socialist ideology is compatible with the anarchists' principle for the absence of an outside agency of authority, then an anarchist could be in support of it.

I guess the follow up dilemma is: What becomes of Utopia when only half the anarchists are communal?



posted on Dec, 5 2008 @ 04:19 AM
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The more I talk to you the more I realize I need to learn more about Germany!
I am not too Worldly





[edit on 5-12-2008 by Lucid Lunacy]



posted on Dec, 5 2008 @ 05:17 AM
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to my opinion it is pretty ok that sometimes people fear of rebellion.
i really hate that goal: we want to be adjusted, living the strange and dangerous normality of mainstream thinking.
i guess my soul runs around with one hand as a fist


people stick so much to authorities and mainstream that real visions are doomed to fail




What becomes of Utopia when only half the anarchists are communal?


first of all: how big is the group of anarchist and the half of it which are communal?
and how strong is the resistance of the mainstream?


it makes me pretty angry when i think about all those "common" sayings like: it has to be this way, it has always being this way, it is necessary to have an authority and …… and … and…


one of my favorite "proverb" is
"Wer sich nicht wehrt, lebt verkehrt"

"Those who are not resisting, lives upside."


and for knowlegde about the world, or germany:
we can exchange our knowledge, and learn!



posted on Dec, 5 2008 @ 08:30 AM
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Any word on our third fighter?

Any word at all?



posted on Dec, 5 2008 @ 08:49 AM
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Check out the refurbished Mac options in the Apple store online too. Especially if you have any way to get an educational discount.

You'll never go back



posted on Dec, 5 2008 @ 09:05 AM
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morning dingbats

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did you work with windows before you got your mac?
i am working with apple systems since 1991 and no i don.t want to work with windows.
my son will, they also got windows at school, but me never!

it is easy and selftelling

from 1991 - 1994 i worked at a dtp studio exposing films for printing
via windows and via mac
mac exposing took as long as printing a page
windows exposing lasted usually half a day because there were so many mistakes that occured
really drove me mad.




[edit on 5-12-2008 by orange-light]



posted on Dec, 5 2008 @ 09:17 AM
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I've always had Macs for my own use (since the Mac Plus; before that we had Apple IIs). But I've worked places where I've had to use Windows, and I can find my way around.

I also used to do some sysadmin/Perl scripting work on Linux, so I'm reasonably familiar with that environment too.

They each have their advantages, but I love my Mac. Especially now with OSX since a lot of open source software has been ported from the Linux community (like the GIMP, which I am so glad I finally got)



posted on Dec, 5 2008 @ 09:24 AM
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i won.t deny that every OS got its advantage.
but i prefer the advantages of the Mac OS - yeah and X is the best!

i can find my path on windows as well, was able to hack the computer of my dad after he died
and getting scanner and printer running
but here at my desktop everything is running as it should.



posted on Dec, 5 2008 @ 09:37 AM
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@Orange: I don't agree with your translation. ""Wer sich nicht wehrt, lebt verkehrt" would, in my opinion, be more like "Who does not resist, lives wrongly." Although, wrongly is an awkward word. "Verkehrt" is one of those German words that doesn't have a perfect translation, but it means something like "amiss, or the wrong way around." For example, if someone had their shirt on inside out or back to front, you might tell them it's "verkehrt." A less scholarly but more accurate to the meaning translation might be "messed up." So I would translate the proverb as saying, "if you aren't resisting your life is messed up."

MACS rule!! I love my Mac. I've been Mac since '89. I do have to use a PC here at work and I do have a PC laptop just 'cause it was given to me, but my main computer is a Mac. There is something to be said for reliability and stability - my Mac NEVER crashes, the Windows PC at work does it 2 or 3 times a week on average. I also appreciate the Mac's innate adaptability and "intelligence." My husband got a digital game camera; when he wanted to see the pictures I plugged the USB cable into my Mac and it showed up on my desktop as an untitled hard drive. Cool! Had that been a Windows PC I'd have had to find and install drivers and so forth.

Anyway.

Is there any coffee?



posted on Dec, 5 2008 @ 09:44 AM
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Originally posted by Heike
A less scholarly but more accurate to the meaning translation might be "messed up." So I would translate the proverb as saying, "if you aren't resisting your life is messed up."


Would "upside-down" work as a compromise between the denotative and connotative?


Is there any coffee?





posted on Dec, 5 2008 @ 09:50 AM
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Originally posted by americandingbat
Would "upside-down" work as a compromise between the denotative and connotative?


Yes, and that might be what she meant to say.


Thanks for the coffee!


[edit on 5-12-2008 by Heike]



posted on Dec, 5 2008 @ 10:05 AM
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Lucid,

In my opinion the most eye-opening (and mind opening) thing you can do is visit another country, or even another part of the US. It's not just different food and clothes, it's seeing that what you think is "the right way to live" is so narrow.

In Germany, for example, there is (or used to be?) an entirely different attitude towards nudity. I was in the bathtub one morning when my uncle walked in to use the bathroom and thought nothing of it. Another time I was taken to a public swimming pool in Munich and many of the women were not wearing tops. No problem.

Other places I have been, such as Mexico and England, - and San Francisco!
- taught me other differences and I really understand that the way Americans (and Okie rednecks in particular) live is far from being the one right way, or a "better" way, to live. It's still amazing to me when I mention something even as simple as the fact that Germans tend to have their "main" meal at noon and a smaller supper, and someone reacts with "Well, that's just wrong! Everyone knows supper is supposed to be the biggest meal!" Such outrage over such a simple thing as which meal is eaten when .. just imagine how these people react to significant cultural differences!



posted on Dec, 5 2008 @ 10:32 AM
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Challenge Match: Irish M1ck vs Oscitate: An Apple By Any Other Name Would Taste Just As Sweet


Judgment is in!

Another tough decision to call...

Edit for tags.

[edit on 5-12-2008 by MemoryShock]



posted on Dec, 5 2008 @ 10:34 AM
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Congratulations to Osciatate!

I had a great time following that debate and you both did an excellent job. Way to go guys!




posted on Dec, 5 2008 @ 10:47 AM
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Well, now I don't feel so bad about losing to Oscitate on my first debate.


Starting to look like he is someone to keep an eye on, isn't it?



posted on Dec, 5 2008 @ 11:11 AM
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Congratulations to Oscitate!


And great job to Irish Mick as well. A very interesting debate to read


_______________________________________

I don't know if this is kosher or not, so slap me if it isn't.

But I'm curious about other Fighters' reactions to this point by the third judge:


My initial reaction upon beginning to read the debate was disappointment. I saw far too much source material in the openings. I yearn for the day when debates were composed of opinion and personal thoughts bringing a topic to a logical conclusion.


I'm kind of torn on the issue. I have experience with research but not with rhetoric, so I know that I have pushed sources over personal thoughts in my debates. But as I think about it and compare recent debates to older debates it seems like maybe it really is a growing trend.

Is it in the nature of the topics we're choosing? I mean, I can't imagine debating the nutritional content of organic tomatos without reference to source.

Is it reflective of demands for "evidence" and "proof" on ATS at large? Granted that the serious "bring me the head of a Gray or there is no ET life" debunkers don't land in Fight Club, are we nevertheless trending toward appeals to authority?

And on a personal level, how does someone whose natural reaction to "are organic foods better for you than regular foods" is "let me search the literature" transition to more of an opinion/rhetoric-based approach?



posted on Dec, 5 2008 @ 11:17 AM
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Another one I know to avoid,
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Congrats Mick & Oscitate on a battle well fought and to Osc for the win!


Great question, Ding. I look forward to hearing the informed opinions in response to it.

[edit on 5-12-2008 by TheWayISeeIt]



posted on Dec, 5 2008 @ 11:27 AM
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IMHO there should be a balance between source material and rhetoric.

The source material is to build your argument around, the rhetoric is to drive it home and to keep an opponent off balance.

Really good use of rhetoric can tie another fighter in knots and have them responding to your argument rather than framing one of their own - as soon as that happens you can nearly always say a debate is in the bag.



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