Ahmadinejad says Israel will soon disappear, page 2
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reply posted on 2-6-2008 @ 02:40 PM by sos37
Originally posted by RiotComing
reply to
post by Mad_Hatter & jamie83



With all respect to your posts, this report has nothing to do with Obama specifically, so I'd rather this thread was kept on topic within the context I'm trying to bring to it.


Riot, in the current political season and with recent events happening (Bush's speech in Isreal and Obama's whining that Bush intended the jab at him) it's impossible for this thread NOT to arc off toward some political jib-jabbings. The very content of the thread is one of the major political issues at stake when considering Obama as a candidate here in the U.S.

We can try to keep the polticizing to a minimal, but I wouldn't count on it.


reply posted on 2-6-2008 @ 02:50 PM by Scramjet76
reply to post by RiotComing



The Hidden Imam is, according to Islamic tradition, due to reappear after a period in which the Muslims suffer great persecution and calamity. Muhammad, the Prophet of Islam, said that the Mahdi "will fill the earth will equity and justice as it was filled with oppression and tyrannyS" (Sunan Abu Dawud, book 36, no. 4272). The Mahdi will not appear until that oppression and tyranny have for Muslims reached levels unparalleled in human history: as Muhammad also says: "It will be a calamity which, in severity, shall be unprecedented. It will be so violent that the earth with injustice and corruption will shrivel for its inhabitants" (Ibn Hajar, al-Sawa'iq al-muharriqa, p. 161).

It is not beyond the realm of possibility that Ahmadinejad is calculating that he can hasten the coming of the Imam Mahdi by bringing about an increase of what he would regard as oppression of the Muslims - "oppression" that would in reality be a defensive response to an Iranian attack.


Ahmadinejad, by contrast, shares with Trotsky an apocalyptic world outlook. He favors direct action in pursuit of a permanent Islamic revolution that will pave the way for the return of the Hidden Imam, pave it with blood, sweat and tears. Indeed he'd like to speed things up, as you point out, and implicitly he hopes to achieve this by twisting the arm of the Almighty - no less so than the cloners of red heifers and would-be re-builders of the Temple hope to do as a means of speeding up the Rupture. The fact that he is more sincere in his beliefs and more earnest in his endeavors than the kleptocrats of the House of Saud are in theirs, is alarming but unsurprising. He is a visionary; they are Machiavellian cynics.
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reply posted on 2-6-2008 @ 03:42 PM by dave420
reply to post by cavscout



It's been pretty well explained before - you can read about it here.


reply posted on 2-6-2008 @ 04:48 PM by cavscout
Originally posted by johnsky
Iran hasn't attacked anyone. Israel has.


Sooooo, are we talking about just within the last year or two?

Iran held Americans hostage, remember? They fought a long and verrrrrrry bloody war with Iraq, remember? They took several British military members hostage for a week, remember? And, although I guess you cant blame them, they are supplying men and weapons to Iraqi freedom fighters. Right or wrong, they are fighting a proxy war with the US in Iraq AND fighting a proxy war with Israel through Hezbollah.

I dont support a war against them, however you cant deny that they aren’t the peaceful little victim just sitting by and being attacked on all sides.

They wanted regional influence, they wanted to fill the vacuum left by Sadam in the region, so their leaders put on big boy undies and started mouthing off and instead of ignoring them like we should have our leaders wont let them just bow out and take off the big boy undies.


The Christian bible states that war is NEVER an option... however, there was a revision a while back, that claimed War is never an option until ALL POSSIBLE ALTERNATIVES are exhausted, and in that event, the war should only be fought on the grounds to seek peace with the enemy.


I dont think Christ ever said that.

You cant, no mater what the Pope claims, revise the words of the Lord.

Can you please provide for me the verse where Christ said war was OK under any circumstance at all?

I seem to remember him telling us to turn the other cheek, even unto death, even 777 times if necessary.


[edit on 2-6-2008 by cavscout]


reply posted on 2-6-2008 @ 05:38 PM by cavscout
reply to post by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal



Really, wasn’t that a whole lot of hate from someone who's avatar says "love" and who's mini profile would have you believe they are trying to "transcend" the human condition?

What are you, Rambo meets Mother Teresa?

Oh, wait, let me guess: you were just joking, right?


reply posted on 2-6-2008 @ 06:10 PM by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal
reply to post by cavscout



Oh no, I'm totally serious. Love surrounded by truth and truth surrounded by love simply means that the truth is love and love is the truth.

Love is something that many of you have yet to experience.

I mean heck, the majority of you look up to a man that you consider the son of God who proclaimed, "I bring the sword, not peace", and you use this man/prophet to spread peace? It's no wonder he comes up in such a beligerent speech.

This sure is a confused world, a few nukes going off in a few select locations might rattle some of your fanatical and illogical minds enough to wake up to reality... and remember, everything I do, I do because I love you

Trust me, I love you more than God or Jesus ever did, has, and ever will.

[edit on 2-6-2008 by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal]
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