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Originally posted by hpsfl
Keep in mind the fall of the Shah was in 1979
The F-18's first flight was in 1978, with the first production aircraft flying in 1980. Iran doesn't have F-18's. You're confusing them for the outwardly similar HESA Saeqeh, which is (On the outside) a Twin-Tailed F-5E.
Iran has never possesed F-111's. I think you're confusing the very similar swing-wing profile to that of the F-14A.
Iran's F-14 fleet is a joke. They haven't recieved any parts or upgrades (I'm sure they've "Acquired" some 3rd party parts though) since 1979. That's no parts for 29 years! Of their original 79 aircraft, it's believed that only 20 are airworthy, with 59 being used for parts.
It does Tom Cooper and Farhad Bishop a disservice to compare this book to any other on the aerial aspects of the Iran-Iraq War. The aircraft enthusiast community is a competitive and often bitchy environment, but an attempt to detract from this book should be treated with the contempt it deserves.
The book is meticulous yet written with great passion. Literally dozens of forgotten episodes of this fascinating air war are brought to light for the first time. Only serious investigative research, including exclusive primary evidence gathered during in-country interviews, can generate the level of detail and colour contained in this book. Cooper and Bishop maintain an enviable contact book that many aviation journalists can only dream of. In a profession of bluffers, they are real experts. This is the reason for much of the criticism they face.
I can attest that the book is slowly getting read and recommended onwards amongst military and regional specialists in Washington and throughout the US military community. The reason is obvious. The book shows, in detail, how developing world countries (and particularly Iran) can use the higghest levels of military technology and even improve on their employment through local innovation. If you were wowed by laser-guided bombs and electronic warfare in the wee hours of 17 January 1991, then spare a thought for those who were fighting that kind of war from 1980-1988. This is what Cooper and Bishop have so expertly done.
Dr Michael Knights
Washington Institute for Near East Policy
Anyway, I can positively confirm that IRIAF F-14s (armed with AIM-54s too) were encountered over the Persian Gulf by USN F-14s several times in winter and spring 2005. Also, AIM-54-armed Iranian F-14s are still very much on threat-lists of any decent Western air force - so also the USAF, USN, and the USMC.
Now, painting somebody with radar, or obtaining a lock-on, as you certainly know, is considered an aggressive act - especially when one is flying fighters with a reach of an F-14. But, there were other kinds of "confrontations".
Let's try to observe the situation from a standpoint that can be easily supported by evidence available in the public. There are photos (including whole series taken from only a few meters distance) clearly documenting that many more Iranian Tomcats are still operational. True enough, one can always paint fake serials and BuAerNos on any plane: this practice would be nothing new. But, there are ways to recognize this too (after all, nobody is stupid enough to repaint the whole aircraft when applying a fake serial) - which would result in the whole camouflage pattern being changed (then, at least in the case of IRIAF F-14s, this can be used as a kind of a "fingeprint"). Besides, it is certainly impossible to do so when one shows several planes at the same event - and it is not only a fact that the IRIAF has shown rows of 14-15 Tomcats recently, but also the USN tracked a formation of no less but 16 of them at the same time.
USN, USAF, and USMC crews do not sight IRIAF F-14s "sometimes" when underway along Iranian borders, but "frequently". This, despite the fact that Iranian sources admit that "recently" they have stepped down their F-14-CAPs, and keep them deeper inside own airspace....
So, they are operational, and obviously in larger numbers than usually reported.
Originally posted by hpsfl
What are you trying to prove? That they "Have" recived official parts from the US?
That only 20 are Airworthy?
Apparently you're trying to prove that Iran's F-14s are a threat; and of course everyone would agree with you on that.
I just said their poorly maintained and armed.
Originally posted by Now_Then
I watched this and tried to ID the aircraft in it, here's the list I made..
UH-1 (bell huey) (0.56)
Su-25 Frogfoot 1:16
F-111? [B] is an Su-24 Fencer(1.35)
F4 phantoms (1.50)
F5 (tiger/Freedom fighter)
Su-7 Fitter 2:25
Shafaq factory mock up 2:29
mig-25 Foxbat this is another F-4 (2.32)
CH-47's (Chinook) (3.08)
high engine transport? and again @ (8.40)this in an An-74
russian? troop chopper Mil Mi-8 Hip(5.31)
F-14 (Tomcat) (6.10)
MiG 29UB two seater 6:33 and 8:35
F-18?? (Hornet??)actually a Shaegh-80 (twin-fin F-5 local development) (6.35)
C-130 (Hurc) (8.21)